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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

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    • Zam said:
    Given her portals I am unsure him being willing to track her down, especially alone would have made any difference, the whole team, that I could see scaring Raven but Tai alone not so much.
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    Not so much scaring. Just more Trouble than she's worth. Also, good odds that Qrow would have helped if she'd dragged Yang off with her.
     
    Well, given Raven thought highly enough of Tai to have his kid, she saw SOMETHING in him hardcore enough to be worth her time.
     
    Triggerhappy said:
    Not so much scaring. Just more Trouble than she's worth. Also, good odds that Qrow would have helped if she'd dragged Yang off with her.
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    That does seem more plausible and yes almost certainly the Qrow who has a better idea of where she might go and logically Summer would be a much more worrying thing to deal with.

    I also recall a theory that Branwen's have some magical traits, Qrow's crow form for instance, and that Raven decided Yang was unworthy because she seemingly lacked said trait.

    Richardson said:
    Well, given Raven thought highly enough of Tai to have his kid, she saw SOMETHING in him hardcore enough to be worth her time.
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    I don't really agree, this was when Raven was on the 'good' side after all, she actually seemed pretty chipper in the team photo, she may have just thought he was nice or something.
     
    Richardson said:
    Well, given Raven thought highly enough of Tai to have his kid, she saw SOMETHING in him hardcore enough to be worth her time.
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    You say that like her current mentality was one she held her entire life, rather than something developed and grown over time? I mean a total Darwinist mentality wouldn't have attracted the affable and friendly Tai-Yang.
     
    greensun said:
    You say that like her current mentality was one she held her entire life, rather than something developed and grown over time? I mean a total Darwinist mentality wouldn't have attracted the affable and friendly Tai-Yang.
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    Keep in mind, Tai's impulse upon being teamed with Qrow was to exploit his ignorance for a prank.
     
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    Zam said:
    I don't really agree, this was when Raven was on the 'good' side after all, she actually seemed pretty chipper in the team photo, she may have just thought he was nice or something.
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    greensun said:
    You say that like her current mentality was one she held her entire life, rather than something developed and grown over time? I mean a total Darwinist mentality wouldn't have attracted the affable and friendly Tai-Yang.
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    Zam said:
    Keep in mind, Tai's impulse upon being teamed with Qrow was to exploit his ignorance for a prank.
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    I'd say this indicates they were all different people when they were in school. That said, Raven and Qrow came in out of the cold, the reform stuck with Qrow while Raven went back to the people who raised her. Could be that she gave honest life what she thought of as a serious try and Yang was part of that. People have made good kids together for worse reasons. :V
     
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    Triggerhappy said:
    I'd say this indicates they were all different people when they were in school.
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    Maybe, Raven definitely at least.

    RWBY V5 Episode 2:
    OK, so good tension in the opening scene, though I am disappointed that Salem is resorting to bullying her minions but I like her plan. Also Watts was amusingly dickish.

    The Weiss scene was awesome, those poor people :( The battle was super awesome and intense, kudos!

    I loved Sienna, everything she said was right and she was great, but then Adam killed her so casually :( I get it was surprise but still, I do feel that this runs the risk of turning Blake's arc into just beating up her abusive Ex over dealing with the initial source of the corruption of her ideals.

    Raven is such a jerk, also someone I spoke with theory was right, good for them, bad for Weiss :(

    I wish we'd gotten more of Sienna, so sad. Also Hazel has standards, weird one's given what Salem ordered at Beacon, but standards.
     
    Holy shit that episode.

    Salem remains best boss to her actual followers, though her approach to Leonardo might backfire (I'm betting he goes full lion eventually and turns on her). Watts remains hilarious, and it's good to have Cinder's voice back (and to have her voicing concerns with Salem's approach).

    Poor ship full of people, but the Grimm Wasps are awesome, and Weiss' first combat showing with her summon is fucking AMAZING. The stinger at the end was neat too, though I can't see that going well for anyone once Yang shows up.

    Adam is... maybe too psychotic. I think maybe more of Sienna - who seemed like a really interesting, nuanced character - before he killed her might have made it have more impact rather than just 'Adam is a wanker - more news at eleven'. It was a brilliantly constructed scene though, and Hazel's disgust at Adam's psychosis was fascinating, but I do think it should've come later in the arc. Overall, fantastic episode.
     
    Krazyfan1 said:
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    I'd be down to see the first post come to pass, though I wouldn't bet on it.

    Second post, it seems the scene was effective in establishing her character, given the strong reactions. However, I hope that's "mad" in the sense of being mad at the actions of certain characters in-story, and not mad at Rooster Teeth for effective storytelling.


    But speaking of ethnicities, considering Blake's parents (Ghira and Kali) does anyone else think the Belladonnas might be Indian or South Asian (insofar as it makes sense to use Earth terms for people from Remnant)? And before someone objects that Blake is too pale, there's a wide range of skin colors in South Asia: The Light Skin Allele of SLC24A5 in South Asians and Europeans Shares Identity by Descent
     
    Anyway, anyone else really like this scene
    just, the whole run to the edge of the ship and leaping off in time with the music....for some reason i like those kinds of scenes...
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    I'm very sad Sienna is dead. I liked her design a lot.
    Hazel is cool.
    I hope the pilot survives the crash. Maybe they can work him slinking away to get help into the plot.
     
    They killed the ship, like, they were bit characters but this was the first time civilians died on screen, especially just to establish threat.

    That pilot is kind of annoying. The way he structures his sentences that is.

    Working theory, the schnee all do summoning, what they summon is special. Winter gets what she defeats. Weiss has the Knight. Blah Blah semblances are weird and stupid and not as special as they often appear.

    Watts looks a bit like Nigel Thornberry. Lionheart is hilariously ironic and I really hope that they establish what if anything Salem is queen or royalty of or in.

    The way Weiss says 'Queen Lancer' sounds really weird to me.

    Sienna is super reasonable. She sounded disappointed rather then just angry. Also seemed against the idea of race war or subjugating the humans. The way she phrases things also implies she'd be down with peace once the Faunus are on even ground either within or without the kingdoms.

    Can't help but be scared for the creepy shipping that Adam and Raven will now be a part of. Creeeepy shit.
     
    One thing I find interesting about:

    Sienna, is that her idea for the White Fang seemed to be for them all to serve as martyr's, forever cut off from the majority of the society and world, their duty was to be a check/reminder to humans and Faunus to not slide backwards. She never wanted a war and wasn't a supremacist, and unless the world changed radically the WF's mission would never be over. They were, in her eyes, an essential evil to force change and be a reminder. I could actually see such an approach rankling some of the other warriors which could aid a conquest style leader like Adam but I am unsure if it was intended or not.
     
    Anyone else have an issue with Sienna's death? Like the fact that Aura is starting to become something that works as long as its convenient to the story? I'd have taken an offscreen death and see the aftermath rather than watch a interesting character die in the most cliche way possible.

    Zam said:
    One thing I find interesting about:

    Sienna, is that her idea for the White Fang seemed to be for them all to serve as martyr's, forever cut off from the majority of the society and world, their duty was to be a check/reminder to humans and Faunus to not slide backwards. She never wanted a war and wasn't a supremacist, and unless the world changed radically the WF's mission would never be over. They were, in her eyes, an essential evil to force change and be a reminder. I could actually see such an approach rankling some of the other warriors which could aid a conquest style leader like Adam but I am unsure if it was intended or not.
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    Thank you. Your analysis of Sienna and how she saw the White Fang gives me even more of a reason to hate how she died to make room for someone much less interesting. Seriously though, I loved the potential she had. Telling Adam off for being a fuckwit was the best part of this episode, aside from Weiss being awesome. Sienna didn't want all out war and she wasn't a supremacist. She wanted equality and saw that being peaceful wasn't accomplishing that. I imagine that her and Blake would have had interesting interactions with each other regarding the status of the Faunus in Remnant. But that will never happen now unless Sienna spontaneously lives.
     
    Dream Logic said:
    Working theory, the schnee all do summoning, what they summon is special. Winter gets what she defeats. Weiss has the Knight. Blah Blah semblances are weird and stupid and not as special as they often appear.
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    Except Weiss canonically killed that Knight. So it follows the keep what you kill rules of Schnee summoning.

    She also summoned a Boarbatusk last season. Likely the one she killed in Volume 1.

    Though I wouldn't be surprised if the knight is treated as her primary summon. It's visually distinctive, symbolic of her relationship with her father, and probably tougher than most anything else she can lay claim to defeating one on one.

    Gh055twr1t3r said:
    Thank you. Your analysis of Sienna and how she saw the White Fang gives me even more of a reason to hate how she died to make room for someone much less interesting. Seriously though, I loved the potential she had. Telling Adam off for being a fuckwit was the best part of this episode, aside from Weiss being awesome. Sienna didn't want all out war and she wasn't a supremacist. She wanted equality and saw that being peaceful wasn't accomplishing that. I imagine that her and Blake would have had interesting interactions with each other regarding the status of the Faunus in Remnant. But that will never happen now unless Sienna spontaneously lives.
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    She should have been killed near the end or middle of the season for an appropriately sudden death.
     
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    Triggerhappy said:
    She should have been killed near the end or middle of the season for an appropriately sudden death.
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    Basically this. Some people could argue that RT didn't want to bog the story down with a White Fang side story but seeing as how it is directly relevant to one of their lead characters it stands to bear that maybe it should have more screentime?
     
    Gh055twr1t3r said:
    Basically this. Some people could argue that RT didn't want to bog the story down with a White Fang side story but seeing as how it is directly relevant to one of their lead characters it stands to bear that maybe it should have more screentime?
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    Emphasis one. The writers already have at least 4 major threads to juggle. Another side plot which doesn't directly involve any of the protagonists, based on someone whose narrative role overlaps with those of several others closer to the main leads (Ilia, Ghira, Adam, even Blake herself), which would be complicated to do justice to (therefore demanding of screentime)...

    Not saying it wouldn't be interesting, but there's something to be said for maintaining focus.
     
    mistakenot said:
    Emphasis one. The writers already have at least 4 major threads to juggle. Another side plot which doesn't directly involve any of the protagonists, based on someone whose narrative role overlaps with those of several others closer to the main leads (Ilia, Ghira, Adam, even Blake herself), which would be complicated to do justice to (therefore demanding of screentime)...

    Not saying it wouldn't be interesting, but there's something to be said for maintaining focus.
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    Then maybe the scene could have been less cliche or not as annoying as it was? I concede that they probably didn't have the time but it could have been done better.

    They could have had an offscreen fight and given us the aftermath. She dies but doesn't look completely ineffectual and the loose end is tied up.
     
    Gh055twr1t3r said:
    Anyone else have an issue with Sienna's death? Like the fact that Aura is starting to become something that works as long as its convenient to the story? I'd have taken an offscreen death and see the aftermath rather than watch a interesting character die in the most cliche way possible.


    Thank you. Your analysis of Sienna and how she saw the White Fang gives me even more of a reason to hate how she died to make room for someone much less interesting. Seriously though, I loved the potential she had. Telling Adam off for being a fuckwit was the best part of this episode, aside from Weiss being awesome. Sienna didn't want all out war and she wasn't a supremacist. She wanted equality and saw that being peaceful wasn't accomplishing that. I imagine that her and Blake would have had interesting interactions with each other regarding the status of the Faunus in Remnant. But that will never happen now unless Sienna spontaneously lives.
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    I think Aura was always a bit like that, but it does feel more frustratingly overt in this case.

    No problem, and thank you, I am glad you found it to be a good read :) Yeah its really sad and frustrating, there was tons of interesting tensions and ideological clashes that could come from Sienna while Adam is just... Adam.

    I'd love it if she somehow survived and came back roaring for justice.

    mistakenot said:
    Emphasis one.
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    I think you should spoiler this.

    As I noted on SB, no one else's narrative role in my eyes lines up with Sienna Khan's, not in ideology, role or history, all of which are very closely tied into Blake's history and that of the White Fang and raise potentially interesting conflict where-as Adam is just a violent conqueror.
     
    Gh055twr1t3r said:
    Then maybe the scene could have been less cliche or not as annoying as it was? I concede that they probably didn't have the time but it could have been done better.

    They could have had an offscreen fight and given us the aftermath. She dies but doesn't look completely ineffectual and the loose end is tied up.
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    I do like your idea, but it would mean additional work just for the sake of a character we won't be seeing more of (assuming no twist). Might not be as shocking as the current scene, too.

    I thought the scene as is was already effective, so I guess YMMV on whether it'd be worth doing depending on how you feel about the original take.

    Zam said:
    I'd love it if she somehow survived and came back roaring for justice.
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    Ditto.

    I think you should spoiler this.
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    I think it's vague enough not to require a spoiler. If you don't know the context you'll just be confused, which is acceptable. :p

    As I noted on SB, no one else's narrative role in my eyes lines up with Sienna Khan's, not in ideology, role or history, all of which are very closely tied into Blake's history and that of the White Fang and raise potentially interesting conflict where-as Adam is just a violent conqueror.
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    I don't feel like repeating myself again so I'll just say I disagree.
     
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    Dream Logic said:
    Watts looks a bit like Nigel Thornberry.
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    How could you insult Nigel like that....
    Triggerhappy said:
    Except Weiss canonically killed that Knight. So it follows the keep what you kill rules of Schnee summoning.

    She also summoned a Boarbatusk last season. Likely the one she killed in Volume 1.
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    You think Wiess can summon the Queen as well now?
    Imagine, her standing dramatically ontop of it for transport, it using the spike shooting thing to full effect, perhaps carrying the knight as well to slash at anything that comes close?
     
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