I realize this is a joke, but what's the point of having political allies if they're powerless? Destroying the Hyuuga clan would remove them as an obstacle, but Chouza or Haggy Boi would take up the mantle of arch-conservative opposition and carry on. Just look at how relevant Sauske is to modern Leaf politics and you get an idea of what having Hinata as our ally but in that position is worth.
Exactly. That's why we need to change the political climate so that she can ally with us. And the first step is to get more information on what that political climate is.
Pretending that it wasn't a joke, presumably we'd only massacre the elders. That would allow Hinata to replace them with supporters more malleable to her.
Shikamaru told Hazō what a Hyūga jōnin's range was, which I feel gives Hazō sufficient IC justification for asking about this. (There's also a good chance that Kei already knows)
Do we actually know (OOC) that Shiori doesn't have the Nara intelligence/laziness at all or does she just have it less? I can't quite remember from her viewpoint interlude.
Oh no it's wonderful.
I don't think just the elders would have the effect you're hoping for, people like Hyuuga Motokazu would need to go as well, everyone who can stop Hinata because they're stronger than her.
ISC are our primary political allies. We interact with Shikamaru and Ino quite often. Chouza isn't a huge fan of us so we let Shikamaru handle that. We have a good working relationship with the Minami and we have interacted with them in the past. We talk to the Sarutobi clan head all the time. The rest of the clans aren't really allied with us.
committing treason and getting away with it
Upper-level clan techniques and secrets don't get told to members until they reach a certain level. For jōnin-level techniques, that level may very well be "jōnin" or "experienced clan elder," the population of which may have dropped to zero for some clans after the Collapse. For the very best techniques, it might even be "senior jōnin." It's not totally hopeless because jōnin are rare and most clans probably didn't have more than two or maybe three at a given time, so many clans probably had contingencies for suddenly losing a few high ranking members. Unfortuntately, the Collapse didn't just kill the jōnin; it also killed the clan elders and destroyed entire clan compounds (where most records would be stored). It also happened right after many clans had already lost many of the people who would be expected to help rebuild. There's a good chance that this scenario goes well beyond what most clans expected as a worst-case scenario.
A more feeble opposition is always helpful, if we can pry apart the anti-Uplift faction on the Clan Council it will make our lives much easier in the long term. I'm not aware of specific political goals we have right now, but we surely will in the near to mid future. It's not like we saw the concubine debacle coming in advance.
Jōnin | Specialization | Clan | Not Deployable? | Notes |
Asuma Sarutobi | Hokage | Sarutobi | X | Active Hokages are not field deployable. |
Orochimaru | Yes | ~~~ | | |
Tsunade Senju | Yes | Senju | | |
Naruto Uzumaki | Yes | Uzumaki | | Might not be Jōnin rank. |
Mari Gōketsu | Social, I&S | Gōketsu | | |
Ritsuo Hagoromo | ??? | Hagoromo | ||
Motokazu Hyūga | Examination | Hyūga | ||
Kurenai Yūhi | Genjutsu | ~~~ | ||
Chōza Akimichi | Heavy Combat | Akimichi | ||
Ruri Kei | Genearlist | Kei | Condor Summoner | |
Aika Minami | ??? | Minami | Porcupine Summoner | |
Kabuto Yakushi | Medical | ~~~ | ||
Kanata Kei | ??? | Kei | ||
Suguru Kei | ??? | Kei | ||
??? Nara | ??? | Nara | Experience level unknown. | |
??? Yamanaka | ??? | Yamanaka | Experience level unknown. | |
??? | ??? | ??? | ||
Agent Snake | ??? | ??? | ??? | Confirmed alive recently. May be the Yamanaka or Nara jōnin. |
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Kei Ruri and Minami Aika, right?
Lailoken notoriously has a pet project idea revolving around exchanging students between Mist and Leaf
There are like a bazillion more named Jonin than this, like Jiraiya or Hana.
This is meant to be an accounting of the ones that are currently alive and serving Konoha, of which there are 21 in total. Sorry, I wasn't clear. Just, off the top of the head are there any more that we know about?
Ah, apologies. Then please also add:
Potential counter to this idea: while the Tower was unfortunate in that both of its backup locations were hit, if any of the Clans had backup stashes of their critical documentation and scrollery off-site (as you might expect of a primarily-nomadic clan only tentatively signing onto this whole 'Leaf' thing circa 70 years ago) then those stashes would still be intact. Whether any of the clans did this - and if so, which - is not certain, but it means some clans who by this analysis ought to have lost significant continuity of knowledge and jutsu may be surprisingly intact.
Summons appear with some amount of chakra, but there is no way to know how much since Hazō has no way to measure chakra and Noburi doesn't dare use the Vampiric Dew on them. It is true that if they exhaust their chakra, unsummon, and are resummoned then they will no longer be empty, but there's no way of knowing if they even have the same amount each time they are summoned.
Yes.
Schrodinger's Jonin it is, then!
Thanks! I'm adding Kanata and Suguru to the list. Isn't Yuno actually a special jōnin? Ami, unfortuantely, is a Mist jōnin (for now!). Anko and Ebisu.....
I'm taking it to mean that yes, she is a jonin. She's a special jonin, specifically. Yuno doesn't actually know the difference, and in fact asked if her being Special Jonin was better than Elite Jonin.
