Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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Awesome.
Can we make throwing stars out of them? Throw a tiny disk and have a 6 foot buzz saw flying at the opponent?
Can we make throwing stars out of them? Throw a tiny disk and have a 6 foot buzz saw flying at the opponent?
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Rule of Cool Supremacy 😎
Alert: This is fine, but any more escalation will take it right to the line.
What if the only planmaker is in on it? To be perfectly clear this is the exact behaviour which has pushed me out of the quest. The 'accepted' planmakers alone are disinterested in an idea, so they refuse to put it in a plan despite popular support. I'm far from the only person it happens to, but it appears I'm the only one willing to make a stink about it.
Here's the exact link to him and several of his friends discussing not understanding my ideas, but finding them ridiculous regardless and purposefully including every single idea the thread had outside of mine. Before you say 'but Twinn, you can always write your own plan!' I did. They got no votes. In part because the guy I blocked didn't block me, and frequently continued to trash talk my plans and ideas!
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Eaglejarl, you have a problem. A portion of your quest does not operate in good faith. They abuse the fact that you always strive to. This portion of your quest has entrenched themselves as the default position on everything and demand ridiculous standards to change those positions.
My beef with Stompy is impersonal - he's been open and honest about the fact that he votes *against* people and ideas before! I got censured by site moderators when I did the same thing to him! That was the event that lead to me blocking him, in fact!
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Here's a link to him doing it!
I would caution assuming good faith in the face of years of manipulative and dishonest behaviour. Doing so is merely giving manipulators free reign. He plays nice for as long as the spotlight is on his behaviour, but there's a reason he's one infraction away from a complete site ban, lmao.
I don't think ROTP is being dishonest or operating in bad faith, however they do have a history of being particularly dismissive towards The Bomb, and is operating in a culture that rewards dishonest behaviour. Incentives always win out over intent. It legitimately disturbs me to see you demanding The Bomb regards OTP's position in the best possible light, while you assume the best possible light of The Bomb's position is him over reacting due to being hungry! Rather than him having a valid complaint that he's having a hard time communicating! No he's just hungry!
I'm not diving super far into this, but it sure looks like a familiar shape. Bomb trying to get an idea looked at, showing that there's plenty of time in the proposed plan duration to do his thing, but he can't get enough people on board for even the low commitment of a prep day.
Okay, this is just weird. You're bothered by Bomb's tone, but also think that they should have formally cited staff posts? Wouldnt that have been *way more threatening*? Additionally, what accusatory tone? The Bomb asked a clarifying question on ROTP's decision making process, then outlines why they have a problem with ROTP's behaviour, and then included a reconciliary paragraph outlining that they already think this behaviour is out of character and not what they normally expect. This is... how you maturely react to conflict with intelligent people you have a degree of trust with. Where's the problem?
this is fine, but any more escalation will take it right to the line.
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You couldn't learn that kinda power from a Jedi
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- United States
Does this include aerial zones?
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- Raleigh, NC
What about throwing a bunch of these, like a handful of pennies and have them trigger with a slight delay. Something the size of a pack of pennies becomes 20 2 meter diameter buzz saws.
Similar to the macerator but with a much more deadly payload.
Similar to the macerator but with a much more deadly payload.
Pinging also @eaglejarl @Velorien
The only thing that makes sense to me at this point is if the rule change was supposed to say Character Aspect instead of Aspect. That makes significantly more sense to me seeing how it's been implemented since. Yet I'm also pretty sure tags from Wound Aspects are allowed to add to the buff stack, or is that incorrect?
Something which I have never understood about the buff stacking rules, is why even though Aspects are specifically exceptions to the buff stacking rule, every single time we see a mechanic which generates an Aspect we get a disclaimer that it counts as a buff. It's just strange IMO, why specify that Aspects are exempt and then never let them be exempt?Suggested Banshee Fucker Mechanics said:
The only thing that makes sense to me at this point is if the rule change was supposed to say Character Aspect instead of Aspect. That makes significantly more sense to me seeing how it's been implemented since. Yet I'm also pretty sure tags from Wound Aspects are allowed to add to the buff stack, or is that incorrect?
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Could we make a force wall seal that's similar to a bezier curve or a nurbs surface? Wondering if you could make a force wall breastplate or bracer that wouldn't cut you to bits. A full armor suit would be interesting, particularly if you could give it to rock lee.
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Unlike Wolverine claws, shields absolutely get strapped to people in history all the time. A large, quickly-switched chakra-reactive shield that you can strap to your arms and back is hugely relevant, especially if Hazō goes and does the sensible thing of making a longer force weapon to pair with it.
I would recommend against fully shape-customizable armour mostly because making that work effectively both involves a lot of customization and also practical engineering effort, especially to make it reliably non-suicidal, so the marginal gains don't make much sense to me. But Hazō is pretty good at sealing so I'm sure shape customization is tractable.
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Oh hey more drama. I will note that people doing hostile voting is... pretty baked in? Has been for years now, both towards other posters and (more critically imo) towards characters. I can remember at least one 'Hazou-pilot fuckup' that was because someone who hated a character left them out of a plan deliberately and no one noticed. I'm glad I chose to quit the discord, too much drama is bad for my brain.
EDIT: Honestly I think the current system of planmaking and voting needs an overhaul. I would recommend going third-party for plans, using some website to anonymise who makes them then presenting them to the thread without names and a verboten rule on admitting who made which on here and the discord, to try and combat the cliquishness of 'I recognise this person but not that person so my monkey brain gives the former more worth' in the Hazou-pilot.
EDIT: Honestly I think the current system of planmaking and voting needs an overhaul. I would recommend going third-party for plans, using some website to anonymise who makes them then presenting them to the thread without names and a verboten rule on admitting who made which on here and the discord, to try and combat the cliquishness of 'I recognise this person but not that person so my monkey brain gives the former more worth' in the Hazou-pilot.
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Was caught up just before EJ dropped the time crunch. Just got back caught up again. Feels a bit bad, but these things happen. I think most of what I would have pitched was said at least, and being able to integrate the new seals is decently generous.
I will say, the idea of melding our deception fighting style in with using invisible lightsabers is super cool, and would at least qualify for a jonin trick (though sadly not an Essie trick), if it wasn't attached to our mid-level butt (apologies for the lack of oots meme here). The fact that we're often not getting roki anymore because we haven't really leveled deceit and now fight more impressive opponents is a bit of an issue, and we won't be able to invest for a while, but it would be nice to see the fighting style evolve and become stronger, using multiple gimmicks to make a style unique to us, and worth actually using despite the buff cap.
Also, especially ironic where we're fighting with dogs, and using pangolin claws instead of dog claws, against allies of the pangolins. That would be a mental double take, if they had time for that in combat.
Hope we don't die, and justify all the time into research.
I will say, the idea of melding our deception fighting style in with using invisible lightsabers is super cool, and would at least qualify for a jonin trick (though sadly not an Essie trick), if it wasn't attached to our mid-level butt (apologies for the lack of oots meme here). The fact that we're often not getting roki anymore because we haven't really leveled deceit and now fight more impressive opponents is a bit of an issue, and we won't be able to invest for a while, but it would be nice to see the fighting style evolve and become stronger, using multiple gimmicks to make a style unique to us, and worth actually using despite the buff cap.
Also, especially ironic where we're fighting with dogs, and using pangolin claws instead of dog claws, against allies of the pangolins. That would be a mental double take, if they had time for that in combat.
Hope we don't die, and justify all the time into research.
The drama began and died last week Wednesday as a disagreement between two people with nobody else engaging, and was only revived because of the recent staff post and you poking at it. I think you overestimate its scope.
EDIT: For the sake of clearer communication, I would appreciate it if you could be more specific about your claims or provide evidence. I understand lurking because of X issue and popping in when that issue shows up to suggest a solution, but absent of context someone making vague statements and implications when drama shows up is difficult to distinguish from someone deliberately stirring the pot. Do you recall which hazopilot fuckup this was- roughly when or which character was involved- or have a specific suggestion about which website could be used to anonymize plans?
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Vagueness is safety unfortunately. I'm not sure of a particular website, but the specific character was Kei iirc. The drama is always happening, either here or on the discord.
Honestly I've tried to engage multiple times, but it always ends badly. I lurk because the primary playerbase does not like what I have to say or how I say it no matter how hard I try to phrase it 'right', the QMs don't want to handle that conflict and the Moderators are watching for any wrong move when it comes to my presence on SV (and conflicts here is what brought me to that brink apparently). Engaging in this thread in any way other than occasional drop-ins is just not a good idea. I enjoy the story, although I dislike the Hazou-pilot's priorities and decisions. I enjoy it less since Akane died and Ami left, but them's the breaks.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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I recall it happening with Kei, for what it's worth. Couldn't tell you when or where.
I can't really say that I think anonymizing it would help. Setting aside the concerns of communicating preferences to the planmaker...
A lot of the reason I vote how I do when I do is like, meta-concerns for like, how the plan is written? Does it address known fail states? Does it avoid (what I see as) obvious things that will cause Problems, social or otherwise, that take multiple chapters to solve? Will it run afoul of various characters' quirks?
You're not going to solve these problems without spending a while in the community and observing trends of planmaking.
Understandable, I do appreciate the clarification about Kei (plausible but I don't recall either) and I sympathize with missing those two. Here's hoping Ami returns after some suitable intrigue.
Not only all of this, but is it clear, concise, and within wordcount limits? Is it focused?
Plans that are a random assortment of miscellaneous stuff usually result in little or none of that stuff being done. So you have to keep it relatively limited in scope.
Are the QMs likely to enjoy writing it?
Do sections of it seem prone to misinterpretation by the reader? Is the phrasing clear?
It's a skill, I wrote like 5 or 6 plans before I ever got one voted in, most of those plans were very bad. My first ever plan that won was, frankly, a disaster.
EJ even wrote a note at the end about how confusing it was.
So all of these factors mean that planwriting tends to be the domain of a pretty small clique of people familiar with the expectations of the community. Which is both good and bad. I'm usually happy to incorporate new ideas into my plans (assuming the WC is still low). I get kinda twitchy when people ask me to put ideas in there when there are 6 words left.
Spector29
It Only Gets Worse From Here
Yeah, I mean, my understanding of this quest has always been that it's not really a democracy in the way other quests are, it's basically a Representative Democracy. The quest veterans who have made plans before craft one every cycle, and every year a couple more people come in to fill the gaps caused by the vets getting burnt out for one reason or another. We vote for which veteran made the best plan, or we vote for which veteran we like more if we're low on spoons or having any other difficulty with the current cycle. If you want to run for local office and write your own plan, that's great! Encouraged, even. Just don't expect anything, because everyone else has the weight of legacy and experience behind them. I'm sure the Discord/Thread-only divide can also factor here.
As an American, I'm used to this kind of system. It's why I vote for Inferno Vulpix when I need to and just cross my fingers nothing burns down.
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Point your skywalkers at the source of the blast and try to line up the rest of your body behind the air dome.
Emstar
The Shining One
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Mine killed a pile of genin and civilians in the chuunin exams and got retconned two chapters later. 😅
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I'm not sure if this is the right way to put it, but as someone who has also felt at times frustratedly at odds with the playerbase's choices, that only seems like a reason to think voters not generally favoring my plans is correct? Like, it would be an issue if the wider community agreed with you and then voting failed to express that, but I don't think that happens all that much, especially given the heavy editing cycles most plans go through.