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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Noumero said:
Hmm, if Oro kills him, he might take care to preserve the eyes.
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I expect Orochimaru to monofucus on removing Itachi as a threat. I further expect this to be largely incompatible with attempts to steal his eyes.

I expect that stealing the bloodline of another clan that has the favour of the Hokage to be incompatible with our remaining in Leaf even given our status as the heroes that defeated the Akatsuki.

I'd also really rather not tread in Danzo's footsteps.

I am precommiting to voting against plans which have us actively attempt to steal the bloodlines of our allies.
 
FaintlySorcerous said:
I expect Orochimaru to monofucus on removing Itachi as a threat. I further expect this to be largely incompatible with attempts to steal his eyes.

I expect that stealing the bloodline of another clan that has the favour of the Hokage to be incompatible with our remaining in Leaf even given our status as the heroes that defeated the Akatsuki.

I'd also really rather not tread in Danzo's footsteps.

I am precommiting to voting against plans which have us actively attempt to steal the bloodlines of our allies.
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Watch Sasuke give us shit for the scroll because "my clan heritage". Brother, our clan's heritage is stealing summoning scrolls. Please show up or shut up. (I am only mostly joking)
With regards to the magic eyeballs, are they even hot-swappable in MfD like in canon? I recall reading something to the effect of "no because 11th century Japan", but magic eyeballs be magic eyeballs sometimes.
I am precommitting to voting for all plans which have us actively attempt to follow in Danzo's footsteps. Thank you glorious eyeball leader!
 
Well, if we superchill everyone, then the remaining loot will be all ours.
The only thing that will survive will be summon scrolls, a pity losing samehada and company, but it will still be a net profit
 
Halil said:
With regards to the magic eyeballs, are they even hot-swappable in MfD like in canon? I recall reading something to the effect of "no because 11th century Japan", but magic eyeballs be magic eyeballs sometimes.
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Velorien said:
You know very little about the Sharingan, but it's a rational world and the Uchiha don't rule it, which leads to certain assumptions. You've been taught that working Bloodline Limit transplants are medically impossible, and the discovery that Leaf had somehow managed to give one of its non-Uchiha jōnin the Sharingan led to a brief panic across the shinobi world. However, nowhere - including Leaf - has ever performed another successful transplant that you know of.
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roobee said:
How do you make a decent plan? All of my previous ones have lost
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Your best bet is to write/suggest things that are widely supported by the thread.

This is fundamentally a democracy, so building support for your ideas over time by advocating for them is probably best.

If I am writing a plan and someone makes a suggestion that I don't like but has wide support in the thread I am much more likely to incorporate it. Although sometimes I suggest they fork my plan instead if I'm not willing to incorporate it.

If I were you and had an idea I really wanted in the plan but the planwriter didn't want to incorporate it, I'd fork the plan, copy-paste their plan but include my idea (there are no licensing fees on plans).

Then it simply boils down to convincing more people that your idea is better. So make strong, convincing arguments and hope for the best.
 
How do you know what is widely supported by the thread? Do you just have to manually slog through everyone's posts to find commonalities?
How do you get people to engage in and continue conversations about persuading them about things?
 
@Sir Stompy

Since it is the end of the cycle and there is tons of word count to spare, I'd like to reiterate my request to add the following bullet point to the plan.
  • Henceforth, always refer to Superchillers as "Project Twilight"
 
roobee said:
How do you know what is widely supported by the thread? Do you just have to manually slog through everyone's posts to find commonalities?
How do you get people to engage in and continue conversations about persuading them about things?
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The most effective way of understanding what the thread supports is to follow discussion in the thread in real time as well as just reading updates. So, yes, manually slogging through everyone's posts - but doing it in real time instead of in huge blocks, until over time you build up an impression of what people's attitudes are. Honestly, I found doing that really interesting even when I was a reader - this community generally produces discussion of comparable interest to the updates themselves, at least if you're invested in the topic, and if you're not invested in the topic you're probably not coming up with ideas about it so you can just skim over posts in that area.

As for getting people to engage in and continue conversations, IMO probably the most important thing is to use the reply function. For example, in the discussion above, you're replying to @T_of_A and @Sir Stompy, but you haven't actually quoted their posts, so they won't get pinged. In some cases, your interlocutor might see what you said anyway, but often - especially if the thread turns over to a new page - they just won't notice that you said anything. Quoting their post pings them (meaning they'll get an alert that you replied to them and are much less likely to miss it), and also makes it much easier for other people who might want to jump in to find out what the conversation is about, since they can look at the post you're replying to at the same time as your reply, and if they want they can easily follow the chain of replies back to catch up on the whole conversation.
 
roobee said:
How do you know what is widely supported by the thread? Do you just have to manually slog through everyone's posts to find commonalities?
How do you get people to engage in and continue conversations about persuading them about things?
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Preferences are usually somewhat stable for each poster, so you only need to identify their primary concern once rather than restarting your analysis each voting cycle. Sometimes Stompy will do "straw polls" and ask people to use reacts to vote on specific issues or phrasings. You could search the thread and catalogue those reactions instead of just reading posts from the meandering conversation.

Ultimately the dominant strategy for planmakers is to contribute thoughtful analysis over an extended time to gain the reputation for having an accurate model of the QMs' understanding of the game state. Players want to vote for planmakers who have demonstrated awareness of important details about the world. It is helpful but not required to know about the mechanics.
 
Zampano said:
reputation for having an accurate model of the QMs' understanding of the game state
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Aside: Which planmakers have demonstrated this? Is there widespread agreement, or does everyone have different opinions on who has demonstrated it? How strong is the demonstrated game state understanding, like that of a sensei or of an elder fellow disciple?
 
faflec said:
Assuming they are, in fact, at the rift ready to be familicided.
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The Wakahisa stuff is a nice bonus, but they must have known about this for a long time thanks to Kisame.

Maybe Akatsuki is trying to use them to make Mist and the Goketsu more obedient.

Recruiting Hana should seem easy enough from their POV. Showing her the Rift research and making her think that it's a way to get Shinji back and get Hazou back under control should be easy enough.

She doesn't know that Hazou is the superior chocie to Akatsuki.

Also killing Mari.
 
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    • Sir Stompy said:
    • Prepare runic blanks for the assaults, we'll need Force Domes, Iron Earth, Air Leadeners, Ninja Radars
      • Prepare a superchiller blank in secret
    • Grind runic veterancy with any additional chakra. Prioritize reducing timeladdered ES checks until rerolls are unnecessary on RER 2.0, then infusions for Force Dome, Ninja Radar and RER 2.0 - ideally to the point where they can be timeladdered up once.
      • Bury any practice runes
      • Test how much earth the chakra pillar from a Force Dome can pierce.
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    This section should probably be 'outdented' a bit under the 'wait for leaf' section instead of the 'visit dog' section.
     
    roobee said:
    How do you make a decent plan? All of my previous ones have lost
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    Ultimately, it's a marathon and not a sprint. Your plans are probably going to fail at first, but all there is to do is work to understand why it failed, then try again but fix that specific issue if possible.

    Nothing is guaranteed, but some things that seem to help based on my zero times writing a winning plan:

    • Get your plan out as quickly as possible after the update. There's a heavy bandwagon effect such that plans that come earlier have more time to build momentum
    • Keep the plan tight:
      • No more than 3 scenes. If I have to write a plan with 4+ scenes I apply XP penalties and generally don't get to more than 3 of the scenes because that's too much to write. @Paperclipped or @Velorien are nicer; they don't apply have not previously applied XP penalties but they also don't tend to get through more than 3 scenes either because, again, that's a lot to write. "What is a scene" is a fuzzy concept for which no one can give you a precise definition, so you'll need to pay attention to the vibes.
      • The "under 300 words = XP bonus" limit is a useful constraint. It forces you to think about what is really the essence of the plan and get rid of everything else.
      • There should be at least one specific short-term goal that the plan accomplishes and it should be clear why that's the goal. Maybe that's "go on a date with Ino because the players want more wholesome relaxing stuff" or "go on a date with Ino because we want to butter her up for the interclan negotiations we're doing in the next scene", or maybe it's "stomp the chakravores into the mud because we want to get to the pool"
      • If possible, keep the "QM had fun" XP in mind. While matching the author's preferences isn't enough to make a plan succeed, it's either going to help or have no effect. This can be a selling point to the voters.
    • After you post your plan, stay engaged with the thread. People are going to make suggestions / ask for changes. The faster you see those and respond to them, the better
    • Do the normal prosocial things -- engage with people but don't nag them, be polite but clear, etc. (This is not easy.)

    It's not easy, and it can take a long time to develop the planmaking / writing / political skills necessary, but it's definitely doable.
     
    One of the most effective ways that I personally have used to get plans I support passed is to start out by writing a very controversial version of whatever you are supporting. It still has to be able to generate some support but it still needs to seem somewhat extreme and scary. Then you either wait for someone to write a compromise version of your plan that you actually want to pass or work with another plan maker to carefully craft the actual version you want to enact
     
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