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We can always make things worse *holds up EM Nukes*
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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MADARA: "So why are you here in Super-Naraka?"
HAZOU: "I wiped out 90% of Humanity and 99% of Ninja"
MADARA: "I think were going to be best friends cousin"
I mean, we do; we could bring more ninja from Leaf and accept the increased detection risk. It's what we would have done if we hadn't thought of this plan.
Honestly, I'm not very happy with this outcome. I was fine with the Moon-capture idea when I thought it would be entirely plausible to leave the ninja alive afterwards; I was surprised to be told by the team that they would almost certainly have to die, and would not have supported raising it with Orochimaru had I known that. The problem is, having raised it with Oro the same update, it's now out of our hands; he technically needs our support for it but we can't feasibly refuse him that without bailing out of the assault entirely. I'm honestly kind of hoping Tsunade or Naruto will veto it on geopolitical grounds when we talk to them.
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After all this years of playing together and having "FUN" together?
You will use a dumb script and it will screw us. Because of course it will.
<3 Birdduke.
edit: Naruto and Tsunade will die, Ami and Hagoromo will become Co-Hokage and Cannai gets killed by "esoteric" ninjutsu.
*screaming in Kagome*
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In exchange for vastly decreased odds of victory. We do not have an answer for Konan except to run her out of chakra. If she's present, we're vastly more likely to lose, sneaking out of Leaf is the correct strategic choice for us.
Regardless, even in that case, I think this is the only choice, we can use in excess of 90,000 CP on Bosses, SCs, and runes -- that's enough chakra that all of Leaf mustered on short notice can't realistically supply it. It would still be useful to take Moon's chakra, although admittedly less useful on the margin.
We don't have an answer for Konan. She's relatively vulnerable to AOE ninjutsu, at least in terms of being taken out of the fight until she can grab more paper; I'm sure Oro knows something appropriate. She has Wind/Water/Earth for defence against that, granted, but they're secondary focuses and she only has so much chakra to spend on reactive defence. So I don't think our odds are vastly decreased.
But I take your point.
I still think that at least trying to defeat Akatsuki in detail is important, they are vastly stronger with Kisame and Konan in the field, where we are are only marginally stronger with the additional chakra from a fully mobilized Leaf as opposed to Leaf elites and Moon.
Chapter 697, Part 1: Lunar Eclipse, Ready!
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Hazō shook his head. "No objections. I note that before leaving Leaf I asked Naruto to order all summoners to work on their chakra reserves and start angling for contracts with the boss of their clan. It's possible that we'll be able to get a few more bosses on the field."
"A pleasing outcome, yet one that I doubt. Clan Bosses tend to be reluctant to make contract. It typically requires a decade of cozening before they will deign such."
"Really? Huh. Didn't seem terribly hard to me." He struggled to keep the smugness out of his voice and couldn't quite manage it.
"Yes, nephew, very impressive. You are definitely the prettiest princess."
Hazō coughed out a laugh and looked at Orochimaru in shock. "'The prettiest princess'? That's...not a phrase I would expect from you, sir."
"It was one that Jiraiya tended to use when he wished to be condescending."
"Ah." He considered whether or not to continue. "You know we're going to get him back, right? Once Akatsuki has been dealt with, we'll find him and pull him out of there."
"Ah, the optimism of youth. So touching. I look forward to reading the no doubt highly detailed and well-researched plan you have for how exactly you intend to locate one individual in a world that is likely at least as large as the Human Path and could well be infinite. One individual who has no expectation of rescue and therefore is not raising smoke signals or providing other location assistance. Oh, yes. And doing all this while having no chakra and therefore moving at the snail's pace of a civilian."
"Speaking of reading things," Hazō said, clearing his throat in a nonverbal confession, "I was wondering if I could get your research notes on the rift-moving runes."
"I had wondered how long it would be before you asked. Here." From an interior pocket of his jacket, he produced a folded-up sheaf of papers and handed them over. "I suppose I should have given them to you when you stored the runes into your bloodline, but I was focused on other matters." He gave a sniff that was definitely not a confession of error.
"Thank you for these," Hazō said, riding on past the not-confession without acknowledgement. "If I may ask, are you willing to share details of Akatsuki's attack on you back in Leaf? Did they demonstrate any further capabilities then, or do they have capabilities that I should be aware of?"
Orochimaru shook his head. "There is little to tell. Konan and Kisame came to make contact with Naruto and to review my work—this is unusual, as Konan takes her duties as ruler of Rain quite seriously and rarely goes into the field. I informed them that I would not be allowing them into my laboratory, they insisted, I refused, they insisted further, I relented and allowed them to see my decoy laboratory. They saw through the attempt at deception, as was intended, and I showed them the actual decoy laboratory. Sadly, they saw through that deception as well." He sniffed. "Unfortunate that it was Konan. Kisame lacks the knowledge of sealing and research methodologies to understand what he was seeing or know that it was nothing but set dressing." He shrugged.
"What happened then?"
"Certain harsh words were exchanged. Also certain jutsu. Have no concern, the collateral damage was only moderate."
"Ah."
"And no, they did not reveal any new capabilities in the process. Once you reach my level it is rare for someone to completely transform their peer-level combat suite, and even extending it takes a tremendous amount of effort."
"Noted."
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I'm leaving voting closed for now. @Velorien can open it if he wants.
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Let's go set off a superchiller in Rain as a distraction. Unironically, it'd force Konan, at least, to pull back due to the administrative repercussions.
Edit: oh hey, an update
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Same. I'm kinda sick of...
"Hey, here's a clever way we could do [X] without typical problem [Z]."
"Did you mean we should do [unprecedented atrocity Y]?"
"No, I actually specifically wanted to avoid..."
"Too late, already doing it!"
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Did we ever tell him or did he just confess about his IN knowledge?
I thought that killing them all was an incredibly predictable outcome of suggesting such plans, and that while we had a clever idea for not doing so it was relatively unlikely that any of the true powers in this situation would agree to take that risk for a bunch of ninja they don't give a shit about.
I thought the plan title of
Was pretty. fucking. clear. about where we were going with this.
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I do hope we get to see the scene where Tsunade shows up. It's a meeting, sure, but it's also Hazou's first actual contact with Leaf since going missing. All this arc, we've built up the idea of returning to Leaf, and this is the first step in that direction, and there's a lot of tension built up and ready to unravel. What does Tsunade think about Hazou now? What does she think about the fact that we're working with Orochimaru right now? What about the other Leaf-nin she brought with her? Even the subtle details here are deeply connected and I'd really like to see them.
It'd feel like a waste to skip over such a juicy scene.
It'd feel like a waste to skip over such a juicy scene.
When we first met him here
Same, I thought it would be a cool scene, it's a shame that it was just dismissed as "a meeting".
In some sense all scenes are meetings, meet with the Hokage to get killboxed, meet with Rock ninja to kill them, meet with Orochimaru to get killswitches installed
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Honestly, this.
Now, as an aside, I do genuinely think we should set off a Superchiller in Rain, either before or after the Rift Battle.
It's unlikely that all of the Akatsuki will be at the Rift (though maybe we'll get lucky), so exploding their base of operations will further ruin their institutional resources. Which is a win for us.
It's likely Konan is still alive after this, threatening to destroy Rain if she attacks Leaf or the Rift would be an effective deterrent for her. I think we should use it as a deterrent to get her to back off Leaf and stay in Rain.
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I am also down for this. Hopefully what happens to Moon shows that we're not fucking around. Maybe we can offer trade deals to further bind Leaf and Rain together in more positive terms, rather than an uneasy standoff.
But, first things first: gotta kill her shitty friends.
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It was adequately clear. I did not say, or mean to imply, that I was surprised by such developments, or that I had a credible alternative lined up. Sentiment in question is, in an information-theoretic sense, the opposite of surprise.
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occupying Haudenosaunee & Osage land she/her/hers
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just popping into the thread after only reading story-posts for a bit. Are we currently planning on setting off a WMD in Moon? And if so, why?
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No, but it amounts to the same thing.
Currently, we need significant amounts of chakra to pull off a Zoo Rush (mass-summoning of Seventh Path allies while still maintaining chakra enough to fight), but we cannot source this chakra from Leaf due to them being watched. We can't call on our allies from other Hidden Villages because we'd have to explain why and that would leak the rift to them. We can't take chakra monsters or missing-nin due to being generally low in chakra and/or being sparsely available. So....we take it from other ninjas by force.
Thus the plan becomes to invade another, smaller, Hidden Village (Moon), capture their ninja, and use them as chakra batteries for the conflict. And kill them afterwards.
The effects would be the effective depopulation of the island, since the ninja are keeping the chakra monster population low enough for civilians to survive, which...yeah. I guess we can put up walls for the civilians before we leave?
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I was surprised. My expectation was that wiping out Moon would, when the rest of the world inevitably found out that we'd done so (which they would, the "sealing failure" expectation won't hold water once people realize it happened at the same time as two-thirds of Akatsuki got killed off and find out that Leaf has runic superweapons) run a major risk of our annihilation; we would have demonstrated that we were willing to kill off entire villages who'd done nothing to incur hostile action purely because it would be useful to us, the only sensible choice would be for the remaining villages to band together to defeat us before we could do the same to them. We have runes, true, but they have vastly more ninja and Jinchuriki 4 through 8; we would become another Whirlpool. I also note that we haven't told Cannai about this plan, and it might be reasonable to expect him to react poorly.
Contrastingly, if we did not wipe out Moon but instead returned them all alive and relatively unharmed, that would be a very strong signal that despite our power we were not inevitably an existential threat. Yes, they would know it was us; yes, they might complain to AMITY; but if we bribed them sufficently well after the fact (sincere apologies, gold, some good jutsu/seals, promises of alliance) they might be hesitant to go through with that.
I suppose the advantage of the "kill them all" plan is that it would take longer for it to be discovered, which might give us time to solve necromancy properly and acquire unchallengable power, enough to not become another Whirlpool. But what I've described above was approximately my model going in.
As an aside - plan titles are very often joking or exaggerated, so no, that is not sufficient.
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The difference between us and Whirlpool is that we have the world's best fixed defenses + no need to fear a siege thanks to our complete Summoner dominance.
More generally the entirety of AMITY will come after us in all scenarios, because we won't kill every Akatsuki member (some will be off-site) and the survivors will tell everyone about the Rift and launch another "the entire world against Leaf" conflict. Therefore concerns about causing a global alliance against us are quite irrelevant, because that is happening no matter what.
Except that this time we will be supplying Force Domes + Iron Earth, and of course Superchillers if things get real bad.