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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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[X] Action Plan: Desperate Measures
Word Count 399
Intended Duration: ~1 day

  • Discuss the Orochimaru situation with the team, including Snowflake.
    • Hazou thinks that it's likely Orochimaru fled Leaf for the same reason we did -- to research in peace.
    • Hazou doesn't think that Orochimaru is likely to betray us at this point (prior to the Rift Assault)
    • Still, we should take precautions.
      • Would approaching the meeting site as SCs add a measure of safety?
      • Should we split the team to get into contact with Leaf sooner? Hazou favors Noburi (for runic preparations) and Yuno with him, and Mari to make contact with Leaf but composition is flexible.
      • Should Mari come with Hazou to detect if Orochimaru is being deceitful?
    • Hazou thinks it's prudent to prepare deadman switches giving Leaf/TU resources to learn Runecrafting in case Orochimaru decides to eliminate his only runecrafting peer.
      • Suggest giving one to Kei/Kagome and setting up one in Dog. It's necessary they be sufficiently hardened to resist Orochimaru torturing Hazou into compliance.
      • Should we consider informing Akatsuki of Orochimaru's attack as another potential dead man's switch?
    • Our Rift Assault strategies all require extra chakra from Leaf, how likely is it that Orochimaru is attempting this without drawing on them for support?
    • How likely do you think Orochimaru betraying us is? Both before we assault the Rift and afterwards. Does the assessment change if he doesn't want to involve Leaf?
    • Would insisting on Leaf's help as a condition of Uplift's assistance work?
      • (Assuming no good justification for excluding Leaf)
      • Our BATNA would be letting Oro try to solo it, and trying with Leaf if he fails.
    • Noburi, can you ask the Toad Sages and Gamabunta if they'd be willing to avenge Jiriaya?
  • Research
    • About Project Twilight (Superchillers), loop in Kei and Snow, (unless they strongly object) include Mari too -- she's familiar with the destructive power of runes.
      • Intent: Asking for harm mitigation, not permission.
      • Kei, apologies, We're feeling pessimistic about our options. We don't plan to tell anyone or complete research unless things are truly desperate.
      • Can you brainstorm ways to disguise the effect?
      • What do you two think Orochimaru's reaction would be to learning Hazou can make WMDs with runes? Would he get violent?
    • Spend one day no-prep yes-DoB researching Superchillers (codename Project Twilight) and Kagome's Tears
      • Use Pain Supression
      • Fully enclose the AoE of the prototype Superchiller underground to prevent a storm.
      • Bury the rune afterwards
  • Misc
    • Set up approved Dead Man's switches.
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Word count exactly 399 by google docs, changed the Superchiller test to underground to remove untoggleable Force Dome concerns, added one question for the team discussion (bolded)
 
Sir Stompy said:
[X] Action Plan: Desperate Measures
Word Count <399
Intended Duration: ~1 day
  • Discuss the Orochimaru situation with the team, including Snowflake.
    • Hazou thinks that it's likely Orochimaru fled Leaf for the same reason we did -- to research in peace.
    • Hazou doesn't think that Orochimaru is likely to betray us at this point (prior to the Rift Assault)
    • However, it makes sense to take some precautions. We'll go to the meeting with SCs only to minimize exposure to a potentially hostile Orochimaru. Unless there are objections.
      • Should we split the team to get into contact with Leaf sooner? Hazou favors Noburi (for runic preparations) and Yuno with him, and Mari to make contact with Leaf but composition is flexible.
      • Should Mari come with Hazou to detect if Orochimaru is being deceitful?
    • Hazou also thinks it would be prudent to prepare a couple deadman switches giving Leaf/TU resources to learn Runecrafting in case Orochimaru decides to eliminate his only runecrafting peer.
      • He favors giving one to Kei/Kagome and setting up one in Dog. It's necessary they be sufficiently hardened to resist Orochimaru torturing Hazou into compliance.
      • Should we consider informing Akatsuki of Orochimaru's attack as another potential dead man's switch?
    • All of our Rift Assault strategies require extra chakra from Leaf, how likely is it that Orochimaru is attempting this without drawing on them for support?
    • Kei, how likely do you think Orochimaru betraying us is? Both before we assault the Rift and afterwards. Does the assessment change if he doesn't want to involve Leaf?
    • Noburi, can you ask the Toad Sages and Gamabunta if they'd be willing to avenge Jiriaya?
  • Research
    • About Project Twilight (Superchillers), loop in Kei and Snow, (unless they strongly oobject) include Mari too -- she's familiar with the destructive power of runes.
      • Intent: Asking for harm mitigation, not permission.
      • Kei, apologies, We're feeling pessimistic about our options. We don't plan to tell anyone or complete research unless things are truely desperate.
      • Can you brainstorm ways to disguise the effect?
      • What do you two think Orochimaru's reaction would be to learning Hazou can make WMDs with runes? Would he get violent?
    • Spend one day no-prep yes-DoB researching Superchillers (codename Project Twilight) and Kagome's Tears
      • Have Noburi use Pain Supression for the research rolls
      • Fully enclose the AoE of the prototype Superchiller with a minimum size Force Dome to prevent a storm from forming.
      • Bury the rune afterwards
  • Misc
    • Set up the Dead Man's switches discussed above.
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[ ] Action Plan: Desperate Measures

@Sir Stompy, could you please replace the instances of the word "Superchillers" with the word "Kamimaze?" I much prefer using the name that does not describe the method of action, especially since we don't put any detail in this plan about always calling it Project Twilight for OPSEC purposes.

I doubt you actually care all that much about this, but I do a lot and would really appreciate the change!
 
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_The_Bomb said:
@Sir Stompy, could you please replace the instances of the word "Superchillers" with the word "Kamimaze?" I much prefer using the name that does not describe the method of action, especially since we don't put any detail in this plan about always calling it Project Twilight for OPSEC purposes.

I doubt you actually care all that much about this, but I do a lot and would really appreciate the change!
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Count me as a counter-ask for this. Assorted reasons:
  • Giving it a codename in the first place is pretty indicative of how we want to approach OPSEC here, so I'm not worried about managing to accidentally leak the method of operation.
    • If you are seriously worried that our secret name for the rune will be overheard and leak crucial information about the rune, then Kamikaze is also out since "divine wind" also refers to and thus leaks information about the effect that the rune produces. If you are really actually seriously concerned about this, then just don't have any name other than the codename.
  • Recent QM WoG also asserts that the whole "Kamikaze" business in the first place is unfounded as our initial Superchiller prep day was exactly the same thing. Given that we already have two jargons locked in for this one rune (Superchiller and Twilight) I'd rather not clutter up our terminology unnecessarily.
  • I personally prefer Superchiller as a name over Kamikaze.
Superchiller is fine, save our future selves the hassle.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
Count me as a counter-ask for this. Assorted reasons:
  • Giving it a codename in the first place is pretty indicative of how we want to approach OPSEC here, so I'm not worried about managing to accidentally leak the method of operation.
    • If you are seriously worried that our secret name for the rune will be overheard and leak crucial information about the rune, then Kamikaze is also out since "divine wind" also refers to and thus leaks information about the effect that the rune produces. If you are really actually seriously concerned about this, then just don't have any name other than the codename.
  • Recent QM WoG also asserts that the whole "Kamikaze" business in the first place is unfounded as our initial Superchiller prep day was exactly the same thing. Given that we already have two jargons locked in for this one rune (Superchiller and Twilight) I'd rather not clutter up our terminology unnecessarily.
  • I personally prefer Superchiller as a name over Kamikaze.
Superchiller is fine, save our future selves the hassle.
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  • It might be, but it's never explicitly said that's an intention. Given that we quite frequently give cool names to our projects, I believe there's a good chance that the name of the Rune will be spoken outloud or regularly used in private settings if we don't explicitly say "never refer to this Rune by name, just by "Project Twilight.""
    • Nevertheless, the word "Superchillers" is a far better starting point to replicate this effect than "Divine Wind."
  • Kamikaze is already one of three names used. This doesn't add any clutter. Either we stop using "Superchillers" or we stop using "Kamikaze." The math is the same regardless.
  • I don't.
EDIT: Honestly, I would prefer just rewriting the plan to exclusively use "Project Twilight." It would even save WC!

Failing that, could @Sir Stompy add a line to the linked rune (which is the one called the Kamikaze rune, btw) saying that for OPSEC, this rune is always referred to as "Project Twilight" at all times? Not sure if that would be allowed… (then again, just changing the name would be enough) just change the name of the linked rune to "Project Twilight?"
 
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Inferno Vulpix said:
  • Recent QM WoG also asserts that the whole "Kamikaze" business in the first place is unfounded as our initial Superchiller prep day was exactly the same thing. Given that we already have two jargons locked in for this one rune (Superchiller and Twilight) I'd rather not clutter up our terminology unnecessarily.
  • I personally prefer Superchiller as a name over Kamikaze.
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Incorrect opinion detected. Clutter the jargon more
 
I am nixing the jargon debates.

I will continue using superchiller and calling it Project Twilight as its codename. As elected plan dictator writer. I get to make these unilateral decisions when voting is closing soon. My apologies for any dissatisfaction
 
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faflec said:
[X] Action Plan: Desperate Measures

@Sir Stompy Edits I made were on the last line and a spelling correction (object, not oobject). One thing I would note -but have not corrected- is that we shouldn't just ask Kei about Orochimaru betraying us - she's not uniquely suited to figuring that out.
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@Sir Stompy wasn't sure if you were interested in making this change, but pinging in case you didn't notice.
 
Sir Stompy said:
Sorry -- working late and I'm hosting Thanksgiving this year. I WILL get to this I'm just very busy rn (but never too busy to shitpost)
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Left-Hand Mutant said:
@Sir Stompy

Word count exactly 399 by google docs, changed the Superchiller test to underground to remove untoggleable Force Dome concerns, added one question for the team discussion (bolded)
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Includes faflec's tweaks, cuts some wordcount by simplifying the phrasing of a few perticularly lush sentences(but NOT anywhere where tone of nuance is important), and adds a question that's basically guaranteed to be harmless, but should make discussing plans next cycle a lot easier. Wordcount 399

Good fortitude with work, and have a great thanksgiving!
 
Left-Hand Mutant said:
Includes faflec's tweaks, cuts some wordcount by simplifying the phrasing of a few perticularly lush sentences(but NOT anywhere where tone of nuance is important), and adds a question that's basically guaranteed to be harmless, but should make discussing plans next cycle a lot easier. Wordcount 399

Good fortitude with work, and have a great thanksgiving!
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Thanks for doing this. I made a couple adjustments, rephrasing mostly. This should be the finalish form, coming in at 397
Sir Stompy said:
[X] Action Plan: Desperate Measures
Word Count <399
Intended Duration: ~1 day
  • Discuss the Orochimaru situation with the team, including Snowflake.
    • Hazou thinks that it's likely Orochimaru fled Leaf for the same reason we did -- to research in peace.
    • Hazou doesn't think that Orochimaru is likely to betray us at this point (prior to the Rift Assault)
    • Still, we should take precautions.
      • Would approaching the meeting site as SCs have any downsides?
      • Should we split the team to get into contact with Leaf sooner? Hazou favors taking at least Noburi (for runic preparations) and Yuno with him, and Mari would be the choice to make contact with Leaf but composition is flexible.
      • Should Mari come with Hazou to detect if Orochimaru is being deceitful?
    • Hazou thinks it's prudent to prepare deadman switches giving Leaf/TU resources to learn Runecrafting in case Orochimaru decides to eliminate his only runecrafting peer.
      • Suggest giving one to Kei/Kagome and setting up one in Dog. It's necessary they be sufficiently hardened to resist Orochimaru torturing Hazou into compliance.
      • Should we consider informing Akatsuki of Orochimaru's attack as another potential dead man's switch?
    • Our Rift Assault strategies all require extra chakra from Leaf, how likely is it that Orochimaru is attempting this without drawing on them for support?
    • How likely do you think Orochimaru betraying us is? Both before we assault the Rift and afterwards. Does the assessment change if he doesn't want to involve Leaf?
      • If he's insisting we don't include Leaf without reason, can we force the issue? That is, insist on Leaf's involvement as a condition for Team Uplift's participation.
    • Noburi, can you ask the Toad Sages and Gamabunta if they'd be willing to avenge Jiriaya?
  • Research
    • About Project Twilight (Superchillers), loop in Kei and Snow, include Mari too -- she's familiar with the destructive power of runes.
      • Intent: Asking for harm mitigation, not permission.
      • Kei, apologies, we're feeling pessimistic about our options. We don't plan to tell anyone or complete research unless things are truly desperate.
      • Can you brainstorm ways to disguise the effect?
      • What do you two think Orochimaru's reaction would be to learning that Hazou can make WMDs with runes? Would he get violent?
    • Spend one day no-prep yes-DoB researching Superchillers (codename Project Twilight) and Kagome's Tears
      • Use Pain Supression
      • Fully enclose the AoE of the prototype Superchiller underground to prevent a storm.
      • Bury the rune afterwards
  • Misc
    • Set up discussed Dead Man's switches -- sans any Akatsuki related ones
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Sir Stompy said:
If he's insisting we don't include Leaf without reason, can we force the issue? That is, insist on Leaf's involvement as a condition for Team Uplift's participation.
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I'm worried this might read wrong.

"insisting that we don't invite Leaf unless there is a reason to invite them" vs "insisting, without a reason, that we don't invite Leaf".

This could be fixed to by rephraseing to "If he's unjustifiably insisting we don't include Leaf, can we force the issue?".

...but if you're in the Americas, you hopefully won't see this until after the vote closes.
Ah well.
 
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    Paperclipped said:
    Biosealing Stunt Header

    Hazou has spent over 500 hours of subjective time reading through a collection of Orochimaru and Jiraiya's forays into biosealing in order to grasp the various sealing insights contained within. However, now that Hazou has acquired level 10 in Medical Knowledge, he understands a bit more about the notes.

    Specifically, he has a general sense of what biosealing is, and of how hard it would be to learn to replicate some of the things that Orochimaru and Jiraiya are doing in these projects. We're releasing the stunt header for Biosealer, which unlocks the ability to create seals on living creatures.

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    @Paperclipped @eaglejarl @Velorien
    The Biosealing stunt header states that you need a tutor to teach you for 3-6 months before you can learn it. Is this still the case? It's not something that was required for RC and MS. Granted, those are rediscoveries, but it would be strange for those to be easier to learn than an established discipline (and also it didn't take Oro 3-6 months to learn from Hazo).

    I think having sufficient reference material would probably do the trick logically.
    Runecrafting - The Runic Mont
    Minatosealing - MS9-32
    Biosealing - ???

    I would hope that the existing Bioseals we have would be sufficient reference material, but if not we could trade for more. (Arikada's Bioseals that Kagome got years back, Bioseals in Jman's hoard, and any that Hazo has seen with the IN though I'm not sure any have been called out)
     
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