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It was. It works, it's just stupidly dangerous if you are not a Kurosawa.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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Nah that was also us.
Poor KEI, never getting the recognition you deserve
Black ink on black paper, or other invisible ink tricks will make it harder to notice a seal on something, but won't obscure the writing to actual investigation. Even just shining a light through the paper will foil most methods.
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Hence why my main proposal was for a new specialized combination seal which others would be able to duplicate, but could only be reverse-engineered by sealmasters who'd also be capable of just inventing MARS independently. It'd prevent another Collapse, which is probably worth it for the benefit to Leaf's morale alone and makes it plausible as a project Hazo would have been working on even before Akatsuki got involved... but thorough distribution might also end up turning a lot of seemingly-ordinary buildings into anti-Deidara bunkers.
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And okay, I fact checked this, and you're misrepresenting your source. HW Brands lays out that Jackson was responding to the 'racist reality of the time' that there was no way white soldiers would be willing to use force against white settlers in defense of 'Indians'. It was politics. It would have cost him personal power - The Democracy is a code word for executive office here, lol.
So instead of preventing colonists from displacing native peoples, Jackson decided to displace them himself!
Brands details how Jackson's statements and policies don't line up, in fact!
Page 492, Andrew Jackson, H.W Brands.
The argument Brands is making boils down to "He was an intellectually lazy coward more concerned with maintaining power than caring for people, who didn't care whatsoever about the harm caused to Indians and projected that quality onto his power base to justify himself".
If you're going to drop 'alternative history' bullshit at least use your own source correctly.
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Which is why my proposal is designing a new paper destroying seal that triggers when exposed to light, and encasing it and a seal we want kept secret in a latex based paint (which is a bit stretchy so it's less likely to crack or flake).
Gotta think of a name tho.
Doesn't this run the risk of causing a sealing failure? If you stick this on a infused seal, and somebody unearths the seal before triggering it it would destroy the active seal, causing who knows what effects
Warning: Do not do this.
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Maybe we should start by researching this?
Welcome to the thread, btw!! I look forward to working with you.
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Where are we gonna get latex-based paint in 11th century Japan? We're lucky they have paper 🗿
The elemental nations really seem like the kind of environment that would have natural rubber trees. Also known as latex. Obviously in the modern day we use mostly artificial rubbers, however there is no reason to believe that natural rubber can't be used for latex based paints.
Tech is need not be a linear progression, and the elemental nations environment is perfect for just this sort of anachronism, especially since the Turtles introduced spandex.
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Late what are you talking?
this is the most relevant meme I have ever seen the only thing we ever need to level up is clearly Earth shaping
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Yeah sorry if I'm crossing lines here and getting myself in trouble, but I gotta say I'm a bit flabbergasted that the guy who has been saying "Fuck their agency, we know whats best for them, forced relocation is the answer!" Is fine, and the counter-argument that 'Forced relocation has historically been really bad for the people being relocated, even when done with good intentions' got banned.
Thats kinda fucked.
Edit: Not looking to reignite discussion here, better not to reply to me at all. Just felt the need to speak up at perceived injustice. Feel free to DM me (or report I guess) if u really wanna school me for being wrong?
Thats kinda fucked.
Edit: Not looking to reignite discussion here, better not to reply to me at all. Just felt the need to speak up at perceived injustice. Feel free to DM me (or report I guess) if u really wanna school me for being wrong?
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New Discussion:
If we get the chakra metal from the Crabs, what should we do with it?
Make chakra metal kunai for Kei? Brass Knuckles for Hazou or Mari? Sell it to Mist or Sand in return for shinies? What shinies do we want, if so?
How optimal can we be with this potential resource?
If we get the chakra metal from the Crabs, what should we do with it?
Make chakra metal kunai for Kei? Brass Knuckles for Hazou or Mari? Sell it to Mist or Sand in return for shinies? What shinies do we want, if so?
How optimal can we be with this potential resource?
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It really depends on how much of it we can get out of the crabs. All of the above?
But my first priority would be weapons for Kei. (retrievable) Throwing weapons ofc, but something that can be used in melee as well. Asuma's knuckle-knives are a good template, able to comfortably do both. But I imagine Kei would have opinions on the design.
Maybe something more like a boomerang? Or a yo-yo with Chakra wire? I bet Tenten would have good ideas.
Mari gets second pick since she's the most combat capable and will be sure to put it to good use. Hazo and Noburi feel lower priority to me, but it would be good to get them something. In all cases I think having both ranged and melee capability is a must, unless you've got enough metal for multiple different weapons to fill those needs.
After everybody's got at least one, then we'd be in a good spot to consider selling it. We can wave around what we'd have as proof-of-concept.
But my first priority would be weapons for Kei. (retrievable) Throwing weapons ofc, but something that can be used in melee as well. Asuma's knuckle-knives are a good template, able to comfortably do both. But I imagine Kei would have opinions on the design.
Maybe something more like a boomerang? Or a yo-yo with Chakra wire? I bet Tenten would have good ideas.
Mari gets second pick since she's the most combat capable and will be sure to put it to good use. Hazo and Noburi feel lower priority to me, but it would be good to get them something. In all cases I think having both ranged and melee capability is a must, unless you've got enough metal for multiple different weapons to fill those needs.
After everybody's got at least one, then we'd be in a good spot to consider selling it. We can wave around what we'd have as proof-of-concept.
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My general intuition about chakra metal is that, rather than just doing normal things well, they have potential to produce wild and unhinged effects that radically redefine how you might use them. While I'm sure we can make Kei some kunai++ to buff her RW rolls, I'm more interested in seeing exactly how far we can push their nonsense chakra effects.
In particular, I have a suspicion that one of the core things chakra metal does is hold chakra, not just channel it. So if you put a jutsu into it, it doesn't just amplify the jutsu or whatever, it holds onto it and gradually reshapes itself to match that or something. Perhaps Samehada, with its ability to eat chakra, was originally born from use of the Vampiric Dew? It's a vague theory, but I'm pretty sure there's some sort of connection there.
And if we figure out how that works, well, could we maybe put a seal effect in there? Maybe something like chakra metal sandals imbued with RRB that never run out of charges and are also compatible with skywalkers because you don't need to equip RRB seals on the bottom? Spitballing, of course, but this is the sort of angle I'd like to explore, see what we can find. Chakra metal is nonsense, utter shenanigans, and if we can't think of anything better to do with that than "kunai but sharper" then our name isn't Goketsu Hazou.
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Interesting thought, yes. Unfortunately we can't really brainstorm too much off of what could be faulty assumptions. But we should definitely make some sort of list, things we need to try and figure out regarding chakra metal. That's just proper science innit?
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Draw it into wire, see if Noburi can use that to extend Water Whip / Vampiric Dew range.
Chapter 645: Eve of the Dragonwar
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"...and finally, the chakra flow through this hollow ball must be inverted and sphericalized in order to produce the required omnidirectional slide effect that activates the dimensional resonance stabilizer."
Hazō didn't answer immediately. Orochimaru had spoken clearly and at a comfortable pace, but he also didn't pause at all when delivering his answers to Hazō's questions, forcing Hazō to take several seconds afterwards parsing and evaluating everything the older man had said.
"Yes, that's all correct." Hazō said. "Good work. I think that's a satisfactory stopping point for today's lesson."
Orochimaru nodded and promptly turned to exit the cubical underground lesson space. Hazō followed, expecting the same swift dismissal that usually marked the end of their lessons. Instead, his heart stuttered as Orochimaru stopped short of the doorway and turned to Hazō.
"I will not be available for further lessons tomorrow, given that the Seventh Path's various crusader champions will be arriving in Arachnid. Furthermore, I believe I understand runecrafting sufficiently well to make further progress without tutoring. Given the paucity of study runes you can provide, I expect further tutoring will be neither useful nor necessary. Do you expect you have more to teach me?"
Well, Hazō certainly couldn't say 'Yes Lord Orochimaru, in fact I have been withholding information about runecrafting from you'. Their lessons had been slowing down, as Hazō really didn't have much more to teach him, especially without new runes to demonstrate and analyze.
"No, I don't believe so, Lord Orochimaru. You have learned very quickly."
"Obviously," Orochimaru said. "Then this will be our final lesson. After the battle against the Dragons has concluded, you will coordinate with Kabuto and find a time where I can finish dispensing your required conversation hours and teach your brother my combat-applicable medical ninjutsu. Similarly, I will finish preparing your runic research space after said combat. I will not accommodate multiple clones of yours by default. Inform me in advance if I should prepare secondary research spaces."
"Yes, Lord Orochimaru," Hazō said. "I will."
Orochimaru paused for a moment, considering Hazō. Hazō struggled not to squirm under the Sannin's ophidian gaze.
"I will not pretend that you offered your knowledge out of the kindness of your heart, given what you demanded in exchange, but you have my gratitude for the lessons nonetheless, Gōketsu."
Hazō kept himself from raising an eyebrow. That looked like it had hurt Orochimaru to say.
"Needless to say," Orochimaru continued, "further discoveries will likewise be rewarded. And I would not oppose an occasional collaboration with you, if a challenging yet fruitful course of runic research occurred to either of us."
"Understood," Hazō said with a shallow bow. "I would be honored to work with you in the future, should the occasion arise." Of course, Orochimaru should have been the one honored to work with Hazō on runecrafting projects, but Hazō had long since realized that brown-nosing was required to keep the Snake Sannin from throwing around his killing intent like candied figs on an execution day (Leaf executions had far less flair than even Mist's standard fare).
"Speaking of the Crusade…" Hazō started as Orochimaru led him out of the Basement. "What is the status with that? I visited Kamehameha during their journey, and I'm surprised that they're already arriving. Will they fight right away?"
"The arrival will be tonight or tomorrow morning, seeing as they passed Wallaroo Island near noon today. The Dragons may notice the arrival of half the Path's metaphysical weight and attack immediately, or they may wait for their prey to draw closer. We do not know their sensory abilities and associated ranges, and no one will want to test them. A premeditated and prepared attack maximizes the odds of victory, and that requires initiating the battle as soon as reasonably possible."
"And what's the battle-plan?" Hazō asked. "There are enough summoners around to pass messages to-and-from Arachnid, so I bet something's been prepared."
Orochimaru raised an eyebrow. "You haven't involved yourself?"
Hazō shook his head. "I'd rather not draw Akatsuki's attention to me in any way, for obvious reasons."
"You mean your obscured reason," Orochimaru said. "Regardless, you have demonstrated a sufficient potential for creativity that perhaps your feedback would be worthwhile. You may conduct such feedback to the Arachnid Empress, perhaps through your uncle. Here is the plan at present.
"Hornets will bait the Dragons away from the butte. They shall attempt to lead one or more of the Dragons through a set of your so-called skyslicers. Similarly, they shall attempt to lead the amorphous red one to one of several prepared zones, where Itachi will attack it with a powerful bloodline-based ninjutsu. Finally, they shall attempt to bait the smallest remaining contingent of the Dragons towards the gathered forces. In the ludicrous world where nothing goes wrong, Kumokōgō and the twenty other Bosses will drown each Dragon one-by-one in overwhelming ninjutsu.
"There are seventeen representatives of various summon clans, including the Toad Sages, that will fight. Itachi will as well, though his presence will be of limited utility once the shapeshifter and the amorphous Dragons are killed. Tsunade and I will likewise provide our aid. Accordingly, the Tower will make your brother available. Tsunade and I will make a number of shadow clones, perhaps twenty apiece, and your brother will ensure these clones can fight at full capacity. Tsunade's clones will obviously be substantially more valuable than my own, but we will both limit our total clone number in order to limit exposure to the beauty Dragon."
"I see," Hazō said, feeling a faint sinking sensation as his control over Noburi's refills of shadow clones slipped further and further from his grasp. "That seems reasonably thorough, but it would take a lot of chakra to refill several dozen of your clones."
"Fortunately, the Fox appears to have placed great importance upon the Crusade's success, likely due to the former Hokage's reports. With the Tower's orders, hundreds of genin and chūnin will readily contribute to the most important battle on the Seventh Path in the last millennium."
"I see," Hazō said. "I suppose there's no point in refilling Itachi's shadow clones when he's so reliant on his bloodline."
Orochimaru tched his tongue. "No. I would not damn the Snakes to annihilation by the other Bosses just to kill that troublesome man, but I would gladly see Dragons kill him – bar the worst case in which they gain the Sharingan's abilities, obviously. Unfortunately, I suspect he is too cautious to risk his life unless truly necessary. I suppose Kisame may commit suicide… but his death is not particularly desirable."
"We can only hope," Hazō agreed. So it's Kumokōgō, twenty Bosses, seventeen summon clan elites, and four humans up against five Dragons, huh? I guess any of the other summoners would just get in the way."
"Correct." Orochimaru swung open the double doors that led to the entry hall and gestured vaguely at the front door to dismiss Hazō. "For better or worse, the battle will shortly transpire. If you wish to alter the plan, have your uncle convey further information to Kumokōgō and associates. Now leave. I have preparations to attend to."
The conversation with Kamehameha continued onwards for… quite a while, given the sheer amount of plan content. That will be written at some point – vote it in as an interlude if you are particularly interested in seeing it. The information may be important, but not immediately relevant (perhaps similarly to the conversation with the Toad Sages).
Kagome is doing fine. It seems like he's still hurt by your betrayal inviting Ami into the family, but that's a wound that's been heartily soothed by her sudden disappearance. He seemed to be holding himself back from any I-told-you-so's.
Hazō continues to learn technique hacking and attend various healing sessions. He does not find the time to return to talk about youth with the Turtle King, and as indicated above, teaches Orochimaru for the final time in this update.
This update covered three days, ending the evening of May 6 in character.
The plan requested difficulty checks on various downloaded privacy seals. Reviewing the associated post:
- Chunin exam privacy seals
- These are actually unspecified privacy seals that Hazō downloaded at some point or another in his adventures, prior to the chūnin exams. As Hazō's primary contact with ninja civilization during his adventures was with Leaf, we'll call these "Leaf privacy seals".
- Jiraiya privacy seals
- Namikaze privacy seals
- As Naruto is not a sealmaster and Minato's (normal) seals wouldn't last a decade and a half, these are similarly drawn from the pool of general Leaf privacy seals.
- Tower privacy seals
- For previously mentioned reasons, privacy seals in critical places are often obscured. If, by some odd chance, there were seals here that weren't Jiraiya's or part of the broader Leaf tradition, Hazō did not download them.
- Nara privacy seals
- Hazō has not downloaded these, as he only saw them once through a shadow clone.
- Uplift privacy seals
- These are already in the players' possession, consisting of seals like the Air Dome, Silence Mine, and the Anti-Byakugan seals.
As a result, there are only two distinct sources of privacy seals to research: Jiraiya's privacy seals, and Leaf's broader privacy seals. As Hazō has access to all of Jiraiya's seals in note form (if you have more privacy seals you want to see, make suggestions and we may add them into the library of Jiraiya's seals), he will only do a difficulty check on the Leaf privacy seals.
In the Leaf privacy seals, there are several repeats such as the Air Dome, and three new ones. Normally, Hazō wouldn't know what downloaded seals do when he does a difficulty check. However, Naruto has already explained how these seals work.
- Leaf Privacy Seal #1 detects movement in a hemisphere around the seal face, working through solid objects. It's primarily used to detect underground assailants. Difficulty: Chuunin.
- Leaf Privacy Seal #2 causes a visual distortion in the air sufficient to disrupt lipreading without impeding your ability to notice people moving beyond the barrier. It is used in conjunction with Air Domes to have private conversations while also letting you notice if someone is approaching (or attacking). Difficulty: Genin.
- Leaf Privacy Seal #3 causes a similar audio distortion as #2. It is useful as an alternative for Air Dome that doesn't restrict your mobility, and instead of killing noise, it lets you hear if there's a commotion outside the affected area. Difficulty: Genin.
XP Award: 9 + 0 (brevity) XP
Vote time! What to do now?
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How many days did this update cover? 3?
EDIT: Whoops, missed this.
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Hmm. This could get awkward if we get SSA back and Oro notices that our skill at runecraft basically doubles overnight.
Still, we should work with him for a bit here. Too many pros to let the cons stop us.
Yeah, we really should try to keep working with Oro here. Can't kill 'em, might as well
Wait. Wasn't this supposed to be part of the same conversation? I understand if the King of Youth got tired of us talking his ear off, but if he didn't we should've capped off the conversation with this.
Anyway, that battle plan for the Dragons looks good, but I wonder if we can't improve on it.