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- United States
Wait, does Hazō need Medical Ninjutsu to attempt a recreation of the pool with Runecraft or does he only need Medical Knowledge?
@eaglejarl @Paperclipped @Velorien
@eaglejarl @Paperclipped @Velorien
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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Basic research rolls have been added into Chapter 681, except some prep days that will of course take a while to figure out. Information describing what the new prep day results mean will be coming shortly.
1941 units of substrate remain. For reference, most runes researched so far required 1 or 5 units per infusion, and the latest set of Force Domes + TR140 Unchained both required 25 units per infusion.
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- Simping for DSB
Thank you for the reminder that the remote explosion is …well within…, meaning that we can have an artillery delivery system for explosions AND build veterancy for the delivery system on our actual payload, all without worrying about infusion failure.
[x] research remote explosion runes
Update to difficulty checks, and a small bonus on top
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- USA
Between all the seal/rune research that Hazō has been doing recently, with the completion of TR130 and the Icarus Rune, Hazō removes a stagnancy barrier for his Sealing domain.
Additionally, with this additional experience and the understanding of runecraft granted by the Disciple of the Beyond stunt, Hazō is now able to make objective difficulty estimates for rune projects, similarly to his ability to do so for seal projects. The difficulty ranges available to him are:
Additionally, with this additional experience and the understanding of runecraft granted by the Disciple of the Beyond stunt, Hazō is now able to make objective difficulty estimates for rune projects, similarly to his ability to do so for seal projects. The difficulty ranges available to him are:
- Trivial: TN < 30
- Easy: 10 ≤ TN < 50
- Medium: 30 ≤ TN < 70
- Hard: TN ≥ 50
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IMO, how do you magically enact Medical effects on people without mednin? It would then follow that you'd need to know how to make a rune manipulate/produce Medical chakra... which means leveling mednin. Again, just IMO.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Maybe once our skill level is higher we'll gain the ability to distinguish between Hard projects (50 ≤ TN < 90) and Ultra Hard projects (TN >= 70), but at Hazou's current skill level that's still beyond him.
Or maybe once projects get that difficult the only in-universe way to get a feel for their difficulty is with a veterancy chain, building it up piece by piece until we either reach our end goal or the limits of our ability.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
Yes. Just look at the number on Hazo's sheet and subjectively decide how likely hitting a TN feels.
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- She/Her/They/Them
Funnily enough, they all technically are higher difficulty level than Jiraiya, since he never cracked it
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- USA
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- He/Him
In fairness, he likely never had access to sufficient reference material on
Time Rune +30% (TR130), Icarus Rune (Chapter 681 research)
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- USA
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- He/Him
Rune research for chapter 681 (posted in chapter but also here for easier reference):
Day 1
Infuse TR130:
Hazō (Earthshaping): 50 - 6 (timeladder down) - 3 = 41
Hazō (Primordial Sealing): 23 + 22 (crossover bonus from DoB-boosted Sealing) + 12 (Disciple of the Beyond) + 3 = 60
Hazō completes the TR130! It lasts for 1 week and covers the same AoE as the TR125, but has a slightly improved time acceleration factor.
Infuse Icarus Rune:
Hazō (Earthshaping): 50 - 6 (timeladder down) - 3 = 41
Hazō (Primordial Sealing): 23 + 22 (crossover bonus from DoB-boosted Sealing) + 12 (Disciple of the Beyond) - 3 = 54
Hazō completes the Icarus Rune! [Mechanics TBD].
Prep Kamikaze Rune.
Difficulty Result: [TBD]
Day 2
DoB rest.
Day 3
Prep Force Domes. Difficulty Result: Medium.
Prep TR150 Unchained. Difficulty Result: Hard. As a result, Hazōpilot decides to switch to a lower TR-rating of 140 (unchained) for future prep days and the infusion roll, figuring that it will split the difference between the relatively doable TR130 and the apparently-challenging 150.
Prep Iron Earth Rune. Difficulty Result: [TBD]
Day 4
Prep Force Domes.
Prep TR140 Unchained.
Difficulty Result: Medium
Prep Kagome's Tears Rune. Difficulty Result: [TBD]
Day 5
Prep Force Domes.
Prep TR140 Unchained.
Prep Chakra Shredder Pulse Rune.
Difficulty Result: [TBD]
Day 6
Prep Force Domes.
Prep TR140 Unchained.
Prep Let's Fuck With Sealmasters Rune.
Difficulty Result: [TBD]
Day 7
Infuse Force Domes:
Hazō (Earthshaping): 50 + 8 (prep) - 6 (timeladder down) + 3 = 55
Hazō (Primordial Sealing): 23 + 22 (crossover bonus from DoB-boosted Sealing) + 12 (Disciple of the Beyond) + 8 (prep) + 12 = 77
Hazō makes major progress on Force Domes. He thinks he's a little under a fifth of the way done. He feels pretty good about this rune, though he's not sure how much of that is due to excellent luck in the research process.
Infuse TR140 Unchained:
Hazō (Earthshaping): 50 + 8 (prep) - 6 (timeladder down) - 3 = 49
Hazō (Primordial Sealing): 23 + 22 (crossover bonus from DoB-boosted Sealing) + 12 (Disciple of the Beyond) + 8 (prep) - 6 = 59
Hazō spends a FP to reroll!
Hazō (Primordial Sealing): 23 + 22 (crossover bonus from DoB-boosted Sealing) + 12 (Disciple of the Beyond) + 8 (prep) + 6 = 71
Hazō makes huge progress on TR140 Unchained. He thinks he's well over 50% of the way done. However, he's not sure how much value the rune will bring in terms of veterancy for higher acceleration factors, as he thinks he's already getting most of the benefit from his experience on TR103, 125, and 130.
Day 8
DoB rest.
Day 1
Infuse TR130:
Hazō (Earthshaping): 50 - 6 (timeladder down) - 3 = 41
Hazō (Primordial Sealing): 23 + 22 (crossover bonus from DoB-boosted Sealing) + 12 (Disciple of the Beyond) + 3 = 60
Hazō completes the TR130! It lasts for 1 week and covers the same AoE as the TR125, but has a slightly improved time acceleration factor.
Infuse Icarus Rune:
Hazō (Earthshaping): 50 - 6 (timeladder down) - 3 = 41
Hazō (Primordial Sealing): 23 + 22 (crossover bonus from DoB-boosted Sealing) + 12 (Disciple of the Beyond) - 3 = 54
Hazō completes the Icarus Rune! [Mechanics TBD].
Prep Kamikaze Rune.
Difficulty Result: [TBD]
Day 2
DoB rest.
Day 3
Prep Force Domes. Difficulty Result: Medium.
Prep TR150 Unchained. Difficulty Result: Hard. As a result, Hazōpilot decides to switch to a lower TR-rating of 140 (unchained) for future prep days and the infusion roll, figuring that it will split the difference between the relatively doable TR130 and the apparently-challenging 150.
Prep Iron Earth Rune. Difficulty Result: [TBD]
Day 4
Prep Force Domes.
Prep TR140 Unchained.
Difficulty Result: Medium
Prep Kagome's Tears Rune. Difficulty Result: [TBD]
Day 5
Prep Force Domes.
Prep TR140 Unchained.
Prep Chakra Shredder Pulse Rune.
Difficulty Result: [TBD]
Day 6
Prep Force Domes.
Prep TR140 Unchained.
Prep Let's Fuck With Sealmasters Rune.
Difficulty Result: [TBD]
Day 7
Infuse Force Domes:
Hazō (Earthshaping): 50 + 8 (prep) - 6 (timeladder down) + 3 = 55
Hazō (Primordial Sealing): 23 + 22 (crossover bonus from DoB-boosted Sealing) + 12 (Disciple of the Beyond) + 8 (prep) + 12 = 77
Hazō makes major progress on Force Domes. He thinks he's a little under a fifth of the way done. He feels pretty good about this rune, though he's not sure how much of that is due to excellent luck in the research process.
Infuse TR140 Unchained:
Hazō (Earthshaping): 50 + 8 (prep) - 6 (timeladder down) - 3 = 49
Hazō (Primordial Sealing): 23 + 22 (crossover bonus from DoB-boosted Sealing) + 12 (Disciple of the Beyond) + 8 (prep) - 6 = 59
Hazō spends a FP to reroll!
Hazō (Primordial Sealing): 23 + 22 (crossover bonus from DoB-boosted Sealing) + 12 (Disciple of the Beyond) + 8 (prep) + 6 = 71
Hazō makes huge progress on TR140 Unchained. He thinks he's well over 50% of the way done. However, he's not sure how much value the rune will bring in terms of veterancy for higher acceleration factors, as he thinks he's already getting most of the benefit from his experience on TR103, 125, and 130.
Day 8
DoB rest.
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Fairness? Where's the fun in that? :3
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
You know, we had some Rune ideas for Chakra, was about a Rune that makes Chakra really hard to use?
We know that Calmer Chakra is more effective for Ninjutsu, and a Rune that affects the Chakra system is viable, so it follows that it should be possible to create a Rune that is basically 'All Chakra Costs are at x100' or something thereabouts. Maybe it makes Chakra phenomenally volatile and stuff. The negative effects will be entirely focused on enemy Ninja since they have the most Chakra regardless.
We know that Calmer Chakra is more effective for Ninjutsu, and a Rune that affects the Chakra system is viable, so it follows that it should be possible to create a Rune that is basically 'All Chakra Costs are at x100' or something thereabouts. Maybe it makes Chakra phenomenally volatile and stuff. The negative effects will be entirely focused on enemy Ninja since they have the most Chakra regardless.
Minor error here, since Hazou only prepped for 3 days on the TR 140 the prep bonus should be 6. I doubt it'll change the cycle count at all
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Fingers crossed for Minatobiorunecrafting to make all our chakra costs lower forever
*Runs the number* whoops, we're retroactively dead and also an Evil Continent has appeared. We now control Satsuko, Hazō has been vaporised, and the Evil Continent is just the Elemental Nations but entirely evil and coming at us. They have a nega!Hazō btw. Funnily enough he's head of his own Team Downfall
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped
A couple questions,
Does Hazou think Force Domes will clear his stagnancy barrier at 16500? He made an infusion roll on them after clearing his barrier at 15500
How does Hazou feel about dropping prep days on FDs?
A couple questions,
Does Hazou think Force Domes will clear his stagnancy barrier at 16500? He made an infusion roll on them after clearing his barrier at 15500
How does Hazou feel about dropping prep days on FDs?
Okay, given that I want to do Iron Earth Runes immediately after TR140s, I am very strongly considering trimming the plan to one research cycle+leave to go West. Do any of my voters object to this?
- Location
- Liverpool
We still haven't crossed the 2/3 threshold between ES and PS, but we're now consistently in that range. I know the thread hates the idea of raising ES to 60 to create substrate because it messes with the pyramid, and we spent so long chasing it (even if we did become rich along the way). But unless we don't time ladder (which has different issues), or hack a stunt/variation that makes making runes easier (and there's a bunch of this we want to optimize on ES, and we'll only get one first shot before it becomes a lot harder), that's going to be a restricting factor soon.
I have no solution, just raising as a thing to keep our eyes on.
Okay given some discussions on Discord I am making changes to my plan. I am cutting the Distressor/Chakra EMP prep days and doing prep on Explosive Rune w/month long timer, and some sort of gravity rune.
I also will be shortening the duration of research to 6-7 days potentially doing a Explosive Rune w/ Timer + Storm Rune for a final no-prep yes DoB cycle.
I also will be shortening the duration of research to 6-7 days potentially doing a Explosive Rune w/ Timer + Storm Rune for a final no-prep yes DoB cycle.
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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- He/Him
A month?
What's the use case? (Pls note that this is a general question for anyone to answer.)
We don't have an accurate clock so we can't organize meaningfully simultaneous explosions. Zones are big, but manipulating someone into a specific zone at a specific time seems like it would be hard.
Is this a stepping stone to something better? Am I just not seeing something? How does this get us closer to killing the Akatsuki?
I assume it's to destroy burried runes we leave behind(once their effects naturally end), so we aren't risking randos discovering the apocalyptic power of runesmithing.
Seems like very good and overdue research. It might especially be wise to finish it before we leave the Chakra pool, because the area is basically a magnet for investigation.
What I don't get is the vauge "gravity rune". What's the plan there?
But yeah, it would be nice to know what the reasoning is beyond unelaborated "discord things".
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- United States
Why not just use a seal for that…?
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- United States
Can you tell us the high level of what difference (if any) we noticed so we can properly account for how to use Kagome and his shadow clones in future plans?
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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- He/Him
So, leaving a nice trail of craters behind us? I would really favour security through obscurity in this specific case.
If that is the purpose we could cut the timer down to a week - saves research time and a week is long enough to make the search radius wide.