Cariyaga
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There exist aquatic snakes. I was thinking just locating a suitable overhang though I am ALSO not a geologist, which is why I'm seeing what other people think of the idea.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Yeah but like, they hunt in the water but they definitely don't dive that far down (I made this up)
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[X] Action Plan: Under the Knife
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I'm sorry that I made you feel that way. No hard feelings?
As others have noted, Oro does not know about Noburi's ability to overcharge us and Hazou!Pilot overruled our voted in plan to ensure Oro would not learn of Nobby's ability.
Also, how are we gonna explain to Kagome and our team that Hazou again wants to let Oro operate on him? They were all united against us the last time we offered to only let Oro do an exploratory surgery and adding chakra coils would be even riskier than that was, not to mention the monthly medical upkeep Hazou will have to undergo indefinitely.
I am open to suggestions that fit the following criteria:
- The incident will not negatively affect agricultural output to such a degree that we accelerate the civilization-wide downward spiral of humanity. All we need is mass disruption; mass destruction is too conspicuous.
- The most reasonable explanation is NOT that the incident is a direct attack on Akatsuki's interests.
- The incident overwhelms whatever bureaucracy Akatsuki has established to run AMITY so that Akatsuki's S-rankers have to directly step into AMITY discussions to re-establish order.
- The time necessary to implement the incident (as well as for the effects of the incident to affect Akatsuki's S-rankers assignments) does not take so long that Sasori finishes his Rift research while we spend too much time on the diversion.
- I'm assuming EM nukes over the water while disruptive will eventually dissipate given that our test EM with Asuma did not result in waves of migrant civilians.
- EM nukes affecting the weather need to strike just the right amount of disruption initially (which I hope to consult with Kei on to get the logistics of correct).
- The effect needs to snowball in a way that no member nation of AMITY can address alone. As shipping deliveries become canceled AMITY will be charged with maintaining supply routes to assist the most affected areas.
- We already know the effects of EM to accurately guess the effect such a weather phenomenon would have and we have the means to execute such a plan immediately (or nearly immediately if we want to use Superchillers).
Looking at the map we have (IMO) two realistic options for the EM nuke chain:
- We start in as far NE as Kei deems fit, working our way SW from the Hokubu Ocea into the Kasumi Strait and ending in the Kaizoku Sea just north of Noodle.
- This cuts off Mist, Leaf, and Lightning which will surely cause AMITY headaches
- We start instead from the SE and work our way NW from the edges of the southern most Kaijuu Ocean between Moon and Crimson State Island to have the weather phenomenon terminate between Noodle and Nagi Island.
- While this option does not cut off as many major nations it could serve as an obstacle to Akatsuki approaching the Rift site itself if the EM effects persist long enough.*
*assuming I remember correctly where the Rift is
[X] Lore Update
(so we have more time to discuss this)
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Cariyaga
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To be clear that was 60% tongue in cheek, it's just... we've done this song and dance a million times and I can tell you how it'll go
KeI: That's a stupid idea Hazou but no one else is coming up with better ideas so I guess we gotta go with it.
Mari: I'm feeling sorry for myself because I don't want to use my expertise as a social spec to help with social things
Noburi: Aight, seems like it's the best plan we got, let's go
Kagome: I'm feeling sorry for myself because I'm incapable of interacting with people outside my team which makes me a liability in situations like this (stupid snake stinker)
Sprinkle in Yuno and Tenten to taste.
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And now for an idea so insane it just might work:
Combining the principles of Julius Caesar's encirclement siege of the Battle for Alesia with Douglas MacArthur's strategy of using nukes to draw borders.
Simply Deploy EM nukes far enough around the Rift site to totally encircle it so that no defenders can enter or leave before we start using RERs and other runes on Akatsuki's Rift defenses. Of course, we'd have to be safely far enough inside of the EM nuke barrier to attack the Rift site so we would want some wiggle room to keep us safe from our own WMDs. Ideally we would start saturation bombing at the the Rift site itself and have our more mundane rune explosive effects work their way out of from that center point while establishing a relatively safe path for our team to traverse toward the Rift. Once there we can deploy our sturdiest dome rune and then detonate yet another EM directly on top of the dome to kill (or at least inconvenience) any remaining pesky Akatsuki S-rankers.
With our time dilation runes (nested in such a way that they do NOT mess with the edges of our protective dome) we can hopefully finish not only our Rift research but also retrieve J-Dad, Akane, etc. just in time for the EM effects to dissipate. As the air around the rift stops being a liquid our dome would be dispelled to reveal our newly revived S-rankers in time to take on whatever forces Akatsuki has managed to assemble while waiting outside of the EM nuke barrier.
Combining the principles of Julius Caesar's encirclement siege of the Battle for Alesia with Douglas MacArthur's strategy of using nukes to draw borders.
Simply Deploy EM nukes far enough around the Rift site to totally encircle it so that no defenders can enter or leave before we start using RERs and other runes on Akatsuki's Rift defenses. Of course, we'd have to be safely far enough inside of the EM nuke barrier to attack the Rift site so we would want some wiggle room to keep us safe from our own WMDs. Ideally we would start saturation bombing at the the Rift site itself and have our more mundane rune explosive effects work their way out of from that center point while establishing a relatively safe path for our team to traverse toward the Rift. Once there we can deploy our sturdiest dome rune and then detonate yet another EM directly on top of the dome to kill (or at least inconvenience) any remaining pesky Akatsuki S-rankers.
With our time dilation runes (nested in such a way that they do NOT mess with the edges of our protective dome) we can hopefully finish not only our Rift research but also retrieve J-Dad, Akane, etc. just in time for the EM effects to dissipate. As the air around the rift stops being a liquid our dome would be dispelled to reveal our newly revived S-rankers in time to take on whatever forces Akatsuki has managed to assemble while waiting outside of the EM nuke barrier.
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See I don't think that will happen as soon as Hazou mentions the surgery he has already made up his mind on and asks for a sanity check.
Team Uplift: "WHAT IS WITH YOU AND WEIRD SURGERIES WITH OROCHIMARU?!?!"
Kagome: "I AM CHECKING YOU FOR LUPCHANZ RIGHT NOW! I DON'T CARE THAT YOU SENT A CLONE! CLEARLY THE SNAKE STINKER CAN PROPAGATE THEM THROUGH SHADOW CLONES!"
Even Tenten will probably say, "What the hell, Hazou?"
Cariyaga
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I mean. We don't really have a choice there. We are going under the knife with him. The only question is if we also go under the knife to help summon Cannai.
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How do we not have a choice? We could just say that given the new information we've changed our strategy and need to do XYZ instead. We could say that Hazou was hoping for a very quick, simple out-patient surgery but that we do not want to take the risk if Oro's believes the surgery is tricky even for him.
We can probably win the Rift fight without Cannai. I am not convinced we can win the Rift fight without doing prep on runes while we recover to not introduce the possibility of failures while runecrafting.
Put another way, I don't think the possibility of summoning Cannai is worth the risk of not having enough runes for the fight. We can plan around our runic capabilities but we don't even know Cannai's skill set other than 'stronk boss dog' and what we saw him do when we fought the Dragons.
Cariyaga
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To be clear I'm refering to the blood surgery so that we don't set off the Hidan-dar. That's not something we can avoid.
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I am extremely reluctant to do anything which will give Orochimaru any reason at any point to connect our actions and the devastation of Isan. I expect that he is deeply allergic to X-risk. Remember, he wants to live forever and has likely made appreciable progress towards that goal. If we destroy the world, that's all for naught.
If he finds out that we unthinkingly deployed a weapon which could end the world, I think there are great odds that he deems us too dangerous to exist as a free individual because if we've done it once, we're likely to do it again.
If he finds out that we unthinkingly deployed a weapon which could end the world, I think there are great odds that he deems us too dangerous to exist as a free individual because if we've done it once, we're likely to do it again.
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If it means avoiding an Oro-surgery, I would be willing to instead split our party to position our runes before the assault begins in earnest (and I think our team would prefer that as well while telling whoever stays with us not to let Hazou run off to Oro on his own). 1/3 of our team would go our to deploy runes while 2/3 including Hazou and Noburi stay in a defensible position. Oro noted that either Hazou or Noburi could trigger Akatsuki to react to the Rift site so they need to stay far away from the front line until the fight begins. Yuno and Tenten (with perhaps Mari as well? or Kei could ensure summon communications between the two teams if we need to split for a long period of time) could go out and prep whatever we agree upon for our attack.
Oro has said that Hidan is useless, so perhaps he will have plans to neutralize Hidan quickly? Hidan is more than just a tracker against us but against someone who takes apart interesting living human bodies as a hobby I am 90% sure Oro stomps Hidan in a 1 on 1 fight.
Nobody gives a shit about international shipping.
You're assuming that they will hear of this and send Akatsuki members to investigate? This close to rezzing Pain? Fat chance.
We could EM Nuke Rain, they might notice that. Other than that, it's doubtful at best.
But hey, let's EM Nuke Rain! I see no downsides to this.
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Cariyaga
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Hidan can sense us at a range of miles and our max range for RER is 2 miles. That's not enough, I'm afraid.
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EM is one of (if not the) strongest tools in our arsenal and we are about to be in the fight for our lives. Extraordinary circumstances (Akatsuki potentially trying to end the world as we know it again) can necessitate our deployment of such extreme measures. We can also mention that Asuma gave the order to use EM on Isan so Oro does not assume it was our idea to do so.
I believe we can convincingly argue to Oro that we gave the deployment of such a dangerous technique due consideration and found it necessary. Oro probably already knows about Isan's fate so he would reasonably expect Hazou to be behind such a dangerous new paradigm. However, Oro has almost 0 information about Noburi's overcharge ability so that is why I do not want to reveal that particular trick to Oro. I certainly do not want to tell Oro how to make EM nukes.
It all depends on exactly how close Sasori believes he is to opening the Rift. While we believe it is possible to retrieve people from the afterlife I'd estimate that at least one member of Akatsuki (probably Konan) would insist on not planning their futures on possible breakthroughs in sealing.
After all, look at how well risking everything they had on a seal to 'save the world' went when Nagato was still around.
If there is any doubt Akatsuki would have to send someone to restore order in AMITY. If they don't we know that they think the Rift is about to be opened and we will know beyond the shadow of a doubt need to attack ASAP. That would be useful information as a consolation prize compared to possibly distracting one of their members from the fight before the fight even begins.
We routinely relocate across international borders whenever we need to and we could prime an EM perimeter around the Rift site outside of Hidan's suspected blood-dar range. Once the fight begins and the perimeter detonates simultaneously it doesn't matter if he can sense us if he can't reach us. The EM nuke perimeter should be large enough that Akatsuki will not find us immediately inside of it and that should give us enough time to start setting up RERs. If Hidan is inside of the perimeter then we can sic Oro and/or the Toad Sages on him.
Hm... now that I think about it, as long as Sasori has not opened the Rift we can ensure a stalemate by killing him even if we get driven off by Akatsuki for whatever reason. We would then obviously be able to move the Rift at our discretion just at the cost of a very pissed off Akatsuki rampaging throughout the Elemental Nations. Definitely something we should mention while Tsunade and Naruto are en route.
Probably to late, but I've been proven wrong about that before.
Throe -> throw
I guess you must have a different number from me on how quickly a swarm of Hazou can infuse the runes? Or some other consideration?
Anyway, I'd err on the bigger number. If it turns out to be excess, we can pocket the surplus. we *still* don't have our own substrate source.
You do good maths, but I'm curious what led you to 25 tons.
I assume it was cut for wordcount. Fair enough.
Not a big deal, but wanted to mention.
We were so close, them we bought up CR and got ACE. We should be there, and it'd suck really hard to not summon Cannai because of surgery prep, only to learn we didn't need the surgery.
I'd ideally even go for flat-out summoning him, and just waiting an extra 3 days in the unlikely event that we still can't do it alone.
Typo, I think?
Throe -> throw
Not sure why the smaller number, we've seen that Tsunade has the resolve for 20 SC at once, or two trips with 10.
I guess you must have a different number from me on how quickly a swarm of Hazou can infuse the runes? Or some other consideration?
Anyway, I'd err on the bigger number. If it turns out to be excess, we can pocket the surplus. we *still* don't have our own substrate source.
You do good maths, but I'm curious what led you to 25 tons.
I'd also ask if SC are even blooded by default, but it's pretty well implied here.
I assume it was cut for wordcount. Fair enough.
I think this line will lower his respect for us. We know attacking is the best plan we've got, so we'll do it. This might read as nervous hand-wringing indicative of the wrong mindset.
Not a big deal, but wanted to mention.
I'd really like to strengthen the wording here maybe say a "major" complication.
We were so close, them we bought up CR and got ACE. We should be there, and it'd suck really hard to not summon Cannai because of surgery prep, only to learn we didn't need the surgery.
I'd ideally even go for flat-out summoning him, and just waiting an extra 3 days in the unlikely event that we still can't do it alone.
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[X] Under the Knife
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[Jk] Search for the One Piece
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Huh. Well I can't blame the plan for getting it wrong here, since this seems to be a bit of a continuity error.
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TFW Orochimaru died, and his revival-memory-glitch means he forgot our team knows about runecrafting
