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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Casting Shadow Clones with the wrong hand signs or the wrong appearance would have revealed him.
Noburi, please
If he can reliably pass the base TN during downtime, he can practice that in order to build veterancy until he's brought it down enough to reliably pass while time laddering it down, which will help a lot during on-site set up - much easier/safer to remain hidden a few miles from the rifts site for a few hours rather than half a day.
Konan's probably good enough to take over the research if they still have the rift scar in hand, but I'd expect Sasori dying to delay them by at least several months
Huh. I think this is pretty plausible, though I'd still bet on it being a continuity error that'll be retconned once the QMs get around to it.TFW Orochimaru died, and his revival-memory-glitch means he forgot our team knows about runecrafting
Maybe we should throw some salt over our right shoulder and see if he feels compelled to count it 🤔
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[X] Check Orochimaru's ears for parasites
Not sure she is. She's "jounin-level" according to Oro, which means Sealing at low 60s or possibly 59; that might not be enough for work this delicate.
... This is bringing my concern about what Oro's Sealing stat is up again. Hazou had to pass TN 60 checks in order to make spec-jounin, so it does seem likely that a "jounin-level" sealmaster has Sealing in a 60-slot. Oro thinks Sasori is decisively better than Konan (I assume), meaning he probably has Sealing 70 ... and Oro also thinks that he is decisively better than Sasori.
That would seem to suggest that Oro's Sealing/Biosealing stat is in an 80-slot, or at least high 70-slot. I think the players previously dismissed this possibility based on the idea that Oro would have to have Ath/Alt/offence as capstones, but in the last update, he said:
Which suggests that his combat skills are not in fact his capstones, and he uses biosealing to compensate for this (assuming that Oro does in fact have at least one 80-stat, which seems nearly certain).
If true, this has significant implications for the widespread hivemind perception that we are currently Oro's approximate peer. Granted, Oro is extremely arrogant, and he has huge amounts of veterency which conceivably could be compensating for a relatively low numeric stat, but ... I'm concerned about it.
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Now hold on. Orochimaru is many things, but arrogant? My take would be he tends to back up his claims; his assessments of his capabilities, IMO, are accurate and come off as arrogant because he's a Essie, very intelligent, and a highly accomplished sealsmith/biosealer/THer.
It's not arrogance if you're right.
He deeply underestimated Hazou for a long time, probably due to reasonable priors, but it looked like arrogance to us. He seems to be getting over that, which is about 1000x better than the rest of the ninja world, so, respect.
Probably should have respected Jiriaya's judgement more
Kagome was making pretty good progress on the rift, IIRC we think he's in the 50s? Plus Sasori's likely nearly done, and it's decently likely that she'd have access to at least substantial portions of his notes in this scenario.
Yeah, I would actually expect biosealing to be his capstone.
Basically this - Oro said Sasori was "certainly our superior" at a time when we had effective Sealing 75. I agree that Oro is probably capable of accurately assessing his own capabilities and those of others in most cases, but I would not put it past him to noticeably underestimate people in research disciplines given that he's done it once already.
Edit: I guess we did have a Severe at that particular point in time? So maybe it's fair.
Fair, I guess.
Hmm. In principle, we ought to know exactly what AB bracket Kagome's in based on how many prep days he does. Not sure if we've ever seen his cycles in enough detail, though.
I mean, I don't know? Oro's famous for biosealing, but also for medical work more generally; I'd buy that he actually has capstone MedKnow/MedNin.
I did a calculation a while back based on how long it took Oro to catch up with us in Primordial Sealing that came out neatly at him having Sealing/Biosealing 69. It's probably not accurate, because I didn't account for Oro spending time learning Bones of Creation, and also because it assumes that Oro did in fact "catch up with us" narratively at the same time as he mechanically hit PS 5; but, if we assume that he was capped at spending 5 XP/day on PS because we refused to multithread teaching him, that would cap him at at most Sealing/Biosealing 69, or else he would have caught up with us more quickly.
There are a couple of other pieces of evidence that he might have only Sealing/Biosealing 69. Back when we were initially cooperating on the Great Seal, before we figured out PS, we had to make a TN 80 Sealing check to impress Oro:
It's plausible, then, that Oro's check was TN 80 because he'd already spent weeks working on the problem and reliably got high (69 + 12 = 81, or 69 + 7 (invoke) + 6 = 82) rolls. I still do struggle a bit to believe it, though.
There are a couple of other pieces of evidence that he might have only Sealing/Biosealing 69. Back when we were initially cooperating on the Great Seal, before we figured out PS, we had to make a TN 80 Sealing check to impress Oro:
This sounds like Oro must have Sealing/Biosealing 80; but consider that a 74 was enough for Oro to be actually pretty impressed with us, enough to dig a little into how we managed to be so good:
It's plausible, then, that Oro's check was TN 80 because he'd already spent weeks working on the problem and reliably got high (69 + 12 = 81, or 69 + 7 (invoke) + 6 = 82) rolls. I still do struggle a bit to believe it, though.
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We think Kagome had Sealing 20 while he lived alone in the forest (this would've been before the ruling that you need Sealing/THing 40 to teach someone), and that he's since been eating the Sealing Lootboxes (well, when we haven't been piling up grunt work in front of him).
Idk if he's had enough time to get Sealing 50, with all that's been going on.
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What's the question?
Hazoupilot would not timeladder up the Earthshaping check for Remote Explosive Rune 2.0, if left to his own intuition.
He would prefer to Invoke for the first shaping at least, then reassess from there.
Sealing 20? Really? He invented Directional Explosives and was able to research Skywalkers, neither of which are trivial seals. Plus, he must have had at least Sealing 40, because he had the "Yes, Even The Dances" stunt (which we know because it's why we're eligible for it):
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Yes.
HDK, he would need to test it.
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I absolutely do not think this.
He researched rocket boots not all that long after joining which are jonin level. Even with crazy veterancy he is not clutching that one with Sealing 20 and change.
He was a chuunin when we found him, and his combat skills would not be enough for that promotion, so presumably he was a chuunin sealmaster.
I also somewhat disagree with the premise of "that mechanic didn't exist at the time so it doesn't apply to him."
Personally, Sealing 40 is the lowest score I would give him at start of quest.
Depends on how much of the Sealing notes he's done and if he's pyramid locked.
IIRC we have confirmation he's done with Jiraiya's notes but it is unknown how much of Oro's notes he's done.
So most pessimistic scenario:
- he had Sealing 40 start of quest and decided to never level it without notes (somehow pulling off jonin level seals regardless...)
- he has only finished jman notes but nothing else
- pyramid locked
He could only get to Sealing 49. However, Kagome is really good at a lot of misc things (Cryptography, Carving, Trapmaking, Survival, genin-chuunin combat skills, etc) so I don't think he would be pyramid locked to 49.
Using all 1500 xp of Jiraiya notes would put him at Sealing 55 using the same pessimistic assumptions.
If he's read all Oro notes and isn't pyramid locked he could reach roughly Sealing 64.
So imo he is most likely somewhere between Sealing 55 and Sealing 64. (I expect he leveled Sealing some without notes, but I don't think he's very far into Oro's notes yet.)
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You mean Kagome's only ~10 levels of Sealing below Hazou, and will likely be better at Sealing than us once he eats the Orochimaru notes (and gathers up requisite pyramid supports)?
Kagome needs to stop being so down on himself, that's not nearly as bad as he makes it out to be
A bit of soft evidence in favor of Kagome having had 40+ Sealing- we've recently been getting told that Hazo can't actually apply infinite amounts of veterancy to a single seal, iirc- it was some point in the recentish past when we got told that Hazo didn't think that grinding a specific tier of time rune(?) would give much of a return for researching a theoretical higher tier of time rune. Specific details hazy but it did give me the impression that veterancy has its limits for how much it lets you punch up difficulty tiers.
Agreed that he should be nicer to himself. I have my reservations about whether he'd be better with DoB in play, but he's damn good.
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I think if he didn't get stuck at 59 due to the pyramid, there is a very good chance Kagome already has 60+ SealingYou mean Kagome's only ~10 levels of Sealing below Hazou, and will likely be better at Sealing than us once he eats the Orochimaru notes (and gathers up requisite pyramid supports)?
Kagome needs to stop being so down on himself, that's not nearly as bad as he makes it out to be
He would've still been a ways behind SSA Hazou but he may not have realized how much Hazou's paper sealing skill dropped (who the heck gets permanently worse by a whole tier?)
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Kagome's early sealing level is one of those things we don't poke at too much. He somehow made rocket boots with sealing in the 30s, and Force walls, 5sb, and DEs with an even lower score.
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He's just that GOATED, simple as.
He won't be better, he'd be comperable at Sealing 64. Hazou has Sealing 66You mean Kagome's only ~10 levels of Sealing below Hazou, and will likely be better at Sealing than us once he eats the Orochimaru notes (and gathers up requisite pyramid supports)?
Kagome needs to stop being so down on himself, that's not nearly as bad as he makes it out to be
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I have a simple explanation: he didn't actually have Sealing in the 30s when he did those and never had Sealing below 40 since start of story, please look into the light
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Again though, I think it's extraordinarily unlikely he both had only Sealing 40 start of quest and then never leveled sealing again without notes. If he eats all the notes, IMO he will probably end up with sealing 66 or better.