Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Cariyaga
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Ah, but not casting a vote makes it a tie between doing so and not!
Hmm. We're at 16:15 for FaintlySorcerous:Noumero, and FaintlySorcerous has yet to include a line about following our post-surgery guidelines (probably because they're asleep), so I think I have no choice but ...
[x] Action Plan: Up to 100% More Atrocities Than the Competitors!
Edit: Apparently the vote count changed in the past two minutes. Oh well.
Edit Edit: I could force a tie by changing my vote to Cry Havoc, but my impression is that changing one's vote after the official close time is frowned upon even if the actual close-of-voting post has yet to be made. Besides, I do think it's important that we follow Oro's guidelines and I do think we might not do it automatically, so meh.
[x] Action Plan: Up to 100% More Atrocities Than the Competitors!
Edit: Apparently the vote count changed in the past two minutes. Oh well.
Edit Edit: I could force a tie by changing my vote to Cry Havoc, but my impression is that changing one's vote after the official close time is frowned upon even if the actual close-of-voting post has yet to be made. Besides, I do think it's important that we follow Oro's guidelines and I do think we might not do it automatically, so meh.
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Naruto: "Go big."Voting is closed.
Hazō: "The last time I was mildly inconvenienced (by Jiraiya kicking me out of Leaf, for some unknown reason), I revolutionized warfare tactics as the world knew it.
Naruto: "Exactly, do it again."
[Some time later]
Hazō: "I invented cold nukes, prototype lightning nukes, large scale radar, super artillery, and time chambers."
Naruto: "...I now understand why Asuma tried so hard to keep you happy and pointed at the Dragons."
Emstar
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I like the cut of Lord RNJashin's gib here.Voting is closed.
The balling will continue until morale improves.
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Giving flashbacks from "After that Hazo inscribed the piece of paper and infused it, putting it on the pile to his right where the finished seals went."
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I'm going to delete that lmao
Rihaku
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What are the precautions being taken w/r/t researching Superchillers? I think doing so underground and contained by a Force Dome should suffice, given that molecules don't propagate across Force Domes, which would prevent hyperescalation due to capping the vortex effect... this should be the case even if the cooling effect moderately exceeds the size of the Force Dome, since the center point is still contained by the Dome.
EM nukes had unconstrained escalation because air would freeze at the center point, drop below the center point, and fresh air would be pulled in. With the Rune being the center point, even if the effect exceeds the Force Dome in radius all we should get is a giant igloo of supercold, superdense molecules attached to the surface of the Force Dome - with considerable but not apocalyptic effects a few miles out. Glacial armor, perhaps!
EM nukes had unconstrained escalation because air would freeze at the center point, drop below the center point, and fresh air would be pulled in. With the Rune being the center point, even if the effect exceeds the Force Dome in radius all we should get is a giant igloo of supercold, superdense molecules attached to the surface of the Force Dome - with considerable but not apocalyptic effects a few miles out. Glacial armor, perhaps!
@Halil
1. Don't understand what you were originally trying to convey by bringing up WW2 feathers. But since you called it pithy I assume it is a minor point and not important to understand.
2. You brought up conscription as a justification for hazou's actions, because you say conscription is justified. I was asking which of the many justifications for conscription were you using.
3. I'm not sure what you mean by "that way". Or "initially", has the topic we are discussing changed?
It would be funny if Itachi actually did a poll but just no one remembered it.
4.
On scale. Pain harmed everyone who would be net harmed by the ritual, along with some jinchuuriki.
Hazou harms everyone who would benefit from Pain's resurrection, along with a minor village.
If you were to consider only first-order harms and ignore status quo harms. Aka ignoring everyone Hazou harms by preventing Pain's resurrection (edit: the majority of civilians).
Perhaps the difference in scale would make the comparison between Pain and Hazou incomplete in an important way. But there would still be enough similarities for it to be worth pointing out and not just pithy.
There is possibly a difference in advisor quality. I don't find the magnitude/likelihood high enough to prevent comparisons between Pain/Hazou.
Pain is pretty obviously pro-Uplift. His speech at the Battle of the Gods. His legacy, Akatsuki taking the mantle of AMITY. How Itachi speaks of him. That he didn't just become a omnikage dictator. That he didn't start a village war before the ritual to weaken them. That he chose the path of least bloodshed.
I do not consider Pain's plan, whatever it was, stupid. Even if some people use empathy to harm others and others are cruel to themselves. There is too much uncertainty. Perhaps if I knew more I would.
I do consider the plan to attack Akatsuki stupid.
Perhaps that is causing the difference of opinion on comparison. But I'm not sure if the stupidity of plans matters too much into the comparison of a moral question like this. Instead we should be asking were they doing what they thought was the best, given the knowledge they had. And whether they tried to make sure their knowledge was correct.
Small scale testing sound smart.
1. Don't understand what you were originally trying to convey by bringing up WW2 feathers. But since you called it pithy I assume it is a minor point and not important to understand.
2. You brought up conscription as a justification for hazou's actions, because you say conscription is justified. I was asking which of the many justifications for conscription were you using.
3. I'm not sure what you mean by "that way". Or "initially", has the topic we are discussing changed?
It would be funny if Itachi actually did a poll but just no one remembered it.
4.
On scale. Pain harmed everyone who would be net harmed by the ritual, along with some jinchuuriki.
Hazou harms everyone who would benefit from Pain's resurrection, along with a minor village.
If you were to consider only first-order harms and ignore status quo harms. Aka ignoring everyone Hazou harms by preventing Pain's resurrection (edit: the majority of civilians).
Perhaps the difference in scale would make the comparison between Pain and Hazou incomplete in an important way. But there would still be enough similarities for it to be worth pointing out and not just pithy.
There is possibly a difference in advisor quality. I don't find the magnitude/likelihood high enough to prevent comparisons between Pain/Hazou.
Pain is pretty obviously pro-Uplift. His speech at the Battle of the Gods. His legacy, Akatsuki taking the mantle of AMITY. How Itachi speaks of him. That he didn't just become a omnikage dictator. That he didn't start a village war before the ritual to weaken them. That he chose the path of least bloodshed.
I do not consider Pain's plan, whatever it was, stupid. Even if some people use empathy to harm others and others are cruel to themselves. There is too much uncertainty. Perhaps if I knew more I would.
I do consider the plan to attack Akatsuki stupid.
Perhaps that is causing the difference of opinion on comparison. But I'm not sure if the stupidity of plans matters too much into the comparison of a moral question like this. Instead we should be asking were they doing what they thought was the best, given the knowledge they had. And whether they tried to make sure their knowledge was correct.
Small scale testing sound smart.
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You know my theory on why Shikamaru remained polite-but-distant ever since we asked if he'd been the one to murder (or arrange the murder of) Asuma? How Shikamaru realized that there are truly no lines Hazou won't cross if it means protecting his loved ones, or carrying out his goals? That there is a world where we kill (or arrange the murder of) our own father/uncle figure, even if Shikamaru cannot conceive of a world wherein he does the same? That Shikamaru has lines he won't cross, but when the gauntlet is thrown and the fate of the world is at stake, Hazou doesn't?
As a core leader of the Five Thinker Clans, there's no better ally to have on your side: cunning, dangerously smart, and insanely determined... all wielded towards your shared goals.
But as a brother and husband? That's not someone you can trust with your back, or the lives of your loved ones, because there does exist a reality where Hazou allows them to die, or kills them outright, because it furthers an endgoal.
I suspect that Team Uplift is about to have a similar realization.
Nuclear weapons and WMD proliferation? Kidnapping fellow human beings and subjecting them to Orochimaru's tender mercies? In Hazou's mind, all of these are rendered acceptable tactics when we're facing the Battle for the Rift, and doing so bends the odds in our favor. When doing so removes the Akatsuki --who are friends and allies to Hidan --from being the Eternal Tyrants of Humanity.
Team Uplift is so used to seeing Hazou's cunning determination pointed in the direction of Uplift, or at a faceless enemy, in a foreign dimension that they'll never see. But now, they'll see just how far Hazou is willing to go when he says "Pretty Damn Far."
I do not think this will be a pleasant realization. But it is, perhaps, a necessary one.
As an aside, maybe this action will, narratively, finally provide justification for changing Hazou's Trouble Aspect from "Foot-in-Mouth" to "Pretty Damn Far."
As a core leader of the Five Thinker Clans, there's no better ally to have on your side: cunning, dangerously smart, and insanely determined... all wielded towards your shared goals.
But as a brother and husband? That's not someone you can trust with your back, or the lives of your loved ones, because there does exist a reality where Hazou allows them to die, or kills them outright, because it furthers an endgoal.
I suspect that Team Uplift is about to have a similar realization.
Nuclear weapons and WMD proliferation? Kidnapping fellow human beings and subjecting them to Orochimaru's tender mercies? In Hazou's mind, all of these are rendered acceptable tactics when we're facing the Battle for the Rift, and doing so bends the odds in our favor. When doing so removes the Akatsuki --who are friends and allies to Hidan --from being the Eternal Tyrants of Humanity.
Team Uplift is so used to seeing Hazou's cunning determination pointed in the direction of Uplift, or at a faceless enemy, in a foreign dimension that they'll never see. But now, they'll see just how far Hazou is willing to go when he says "Pretty Damn Far."
I do not think this will be a pleasant realization. But it is, perhaps, a necessary one.
As an aside, maybe this action will, narratively, finally provide justification for changing Hazou's Trouble Aspect from "Foot-in-Mouth" to "Pretty Damn Far."
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Tbh taking Orochimaru's bioseals to win the Riftwar is the perfect example of "Pretty Damn Far" I think it's time.
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And yet no FP…
Why would we get FP for that?
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Hopefully
They may also have press-ganged one or more Wakahisa themselves in order to have the option of a Crow summon rush. I think our current Rift assault plan doesn't give them a chance to use it there, though.
I'm still 35% on Shikamaru actually having done that, TBH.
Does anyone have an estimate on hand of how many practice RER 2.0 shapings and infusions we'll have had a chance to do?
I'm trying to refine my estimate for how many of them we can make for the rift assault, and bringing down the TN so as to be able to time ladder it turns out to matter a lot, and my best guess for the base TN is pretty high.
As many as we can until Oro forces us to stop. My estimate: 1 on the first day w/ an Invoke, 3 on the second w/o an Invoke, 3 more on the third day -- now we can timeladder ES, 10 on the fourth day, 10 on the fifth day. So 5 days to practice, most of the rest will require 10-15 shapings at worst to timeladder down twice but here we could be looking at 30 and the first 5-10 will be 12 hour monsters.
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