Also, stacked explosives of unequal strength might prominently feature in the Riftwar, as RER 50% miss chance means our opening barrage will be a mix of on-target and missed-by-a-zone, so it would be good to have mechanics for them.
Fortunately, I think there's a really easy and intuitive way to extend these mechanics to cover unequal-strength explosives:

Put all explosives in a zero-indexed list, sorted by highest TN.
Divide each TN by (4^Index)
Sum all elements of the list.
Maybe I'm biased from having just read about the Battle of Tsushima and mixed calibers on battleships vs. just the biggest, but that seems like it might be too generous in cases of a high-TN explosion supported by much smaller ones, and involve too much fiddly math from the QMs. Accordingly, here's what I'd suggest.
Start with the weakest class of explosives involved in a given barrage.
Add them together by the existing same-size explosion rule, until the resulting TN is equal to or greater than the next-stronger class of explosive, then count however many that took as one additional explosive of that larger type.
If there aren't enough to reach that threshold, ignore the remainder.
Then move up to the next-larger type and repeat.
That would yield a TN of 158 in both the "two hits, three off-target" and "one hit, four off-target" scenarios, and allow TN 161 to be essentially guaranteed by firing seven shots... but if a single TN 120 blast were supported by, say, a TN 40 explosive seal, under my proposal that would be irrelevant, as seems proper, rather than the sum being TN 130.
konan in shambles. absolutely REKT right now
She's probably got a more generous scaling factor thanks to a higher level of simultaneity - setting off the tags less than a millisecond apart could mean the blast waves properly combine, resulting in higher peak overpressure, where chain-detonated explosives mostly just sustain the same overpressure for longer.
 
Maybe I'm biased from having just read about the Battle of Tsushima and mixed calibers on battleships vs. just the biggest, but that seems like it might be too generous in cases of a high-TN explosion supported by much smaller ones, and involve too much fiddly math from the QMs. Accordingly, here's what I'd suggest.
Start with the weakest class of explosives involved in a given barrage.
Add them together by the existing same-size explosion rule, until the resulting TN is equal to or greater than the next-stronger class of explosive, then count however many that took as one additional explosive of that larger type.
If there aren't enough to reach that threshold, ignore the remainder.
Then move up to the next-larger type and repeat.
That would yield a TN of 158 in both the "two hits, three off-target" and "one hit, four off-target" scenarios, and allow TN 161 to be essentially guaranteed by firing seven shots... but if a single TN 120 blast were supported by, say, a TN 40 explosive seal, under my proposal that would be irrelevant, as seems proper, rather than the sum being TN 130.
Yeah, that seems better, I endorse this over the thing I posted.
 
Hazou's understanding is that Jiraiya indeed knew how to make bioseals, and was rather good at the theoretical aspects, though his actual practice of the art was held back by a relative lack of conventional medical skills.
This makes a lot of sense, given that we know Jiraiya did bioseal collabs with Oro but doesn't seem to have much of his own work to his name. IIUC, if he was acting as Oro's assistant while Oro did the actual creation and infusion, his Biosealing stat (more precisely, AB) is all that would have mattered. The question, I guess, is whether Jiraiya had soft-capped Biosealing or something lower than that - given that his Sealing was probably in the 70s at minimum, his soft-cap would still be a 50-slot, so it's plausible that he wouldn't bother given that he couldn't make use of it himself.

Then again, biosealing of all disciplines benefits from being able to finish projects in as few cycles as possible, so if Jiraiya did any noteworthy biosealing work he would still benefit from a higher effective stat even if his limited medicals cut him off from the hard projects. So probably he did have Biosealing in a 50-slot.
 
Nah man no way you'd make 600 billion of anything if you weren't compensating for getting shafted somehow /s
Suppose her improved trigger method means the diminishing returns factor is only 0.5 rather than 0.25. By the unequal-size-explosive combination algorithm I just laid out, that would let her use four TN 10 puffers (10 + 5 + 3 + 2) in place of a single TN 20 training-exercise explosive, five such trainers in place of a TN 40 standard explosive tag, six standard explosive tags in place of some TN 80 monstrosity, and seven of those to match our TN 160 fortress-buster. So, one actual TN 80 monstrosity (possibly provided by jutsu or something, rather than a seal per se), one standard explosive tag, one training tag, and ~700 puffers, per shot. Not sure exactly how the math would need to be massaged for billions to start making sense, but it could maybe be possible.
 
(Canon?) Interlude: Akatsuki's Cutest Recruits
(Canon?) Interlude: Akatsuki's Cutest Recruits

"I am not a member of Akatsuki! I am a loyal ninja of Hidden Mist, on a long-term, AMITY-sponsored mission approved by my Kage and Clan Head, to assist Akatsuki in their daily affairs."

"But you like wearing the robe," Kisame pointed out.

"The robe is pretty nice," Aya admitted.

"So, you're a member of Akatsuki," Kisame said smugly.

"The conclusion does not follow from the premise!" Saya said, her high voice echoing off the tall, stone halls of Kisame's lair. "I&S specialists frequently wear clothing that would indicate a variety of allegiances, and may even enjoy wearing such clothing to the extent that it does not interfere with the completion of the mission. However, they do not change allegiance as a result. Proof by counterexample: enjoying clothing of a given allegiance does not change your allegiance in truth."

"Nuh uh," Kisame said.

"Yuh huh!"

"Nuh huh."

"Yuh huh!"

"Nuh uh, and I'll prove it," Kisame said. "Consider the following syllogism. All members of Akatsuki like wearing the Akatsuki robes. Aya likes wearing the Akatsuki robes. Therefore, Aya is a member of Akatsuki."

"That syllogism is invalid!" Saya yelled. "The first line would need to be the other way around! That liking Akatsuki's robes makes you an Akatsuki member, which I've already proven is false!"

"On the contrary," Kisame said with a wide grin, "before Aya joined, it was already the case that everyone who liked wearing the Akatsuki robes was an Akatsuki member. Empirical result: One hundred percent. So, we know for sure that liking wearing Akatsuki robes makes you a part of Akatsuki."

"Don't you think you're winding them up too much?" Konan asked two minutes later, walking in and seeing Saya pulling on her hair and screaming at the stone wall, while Kisame and Aya laughed at the younger girl's reaction.

"What do you mean?" Kisame said. "I'm just being a good sensei to my student here."

"You're not my sensei, either," Aya said. "You're still a Mist missing-nin, so I'll have to kill you eventually."

"All students kill their senseis eventually, kid. It's the circle of life."

"Shouldn't she be in school?" Konan asked, gesturing at Saya, whose screaming had stopped so that she could listen into the conversation. "Where's their escort from the Wakahisa?"

"I pulled her out and ditched the nursemaid. They weren't doing anything important."

"Kisame, we got Mist and the Wakahisa to send the girls on the condition that they would be well treated and educated. She wants to go to school and learn, you know what she's like."

"Nah, today's Rain history day and she'd probably just disrupt the steady stream of propaganda with her own Mist bullshit."

"Language!" Aya and Saya and Konan admonished in unison. Kisame raised both hands in apology, bowing slightly to the girls.

"I suppose the girls can see to cleaning your tongue after this," Konan said coldly. "But it's not propaganda. Hidden Rain's history and rise to be a major village-"

"-is just as fabricated as Mist's history," Kisame said. "C'mon, you've seen both sides, same as me. You know it's bu-, uh, all a result of the author's S-rank mastery of creative fiction. Rain didn't even exist until Hanzō made it happen thirty years ago."

"Yahiko-"

"Ah, forget it," Kisame said. "We've had this discussion before. Luckily, I've found someone who actually understands Mist history."

"I wish I could say the same," Saya grumbled, crossing her arms.

"Look, kid," Kisame said apologetically, "it's been a while since I hit the books. I mostly was swinging swords and throwing jutsu even when I was in the Academy, and then when I got out, I mostly read marine biology when I wasn't training-"

"Meathead," Saya said, huffing and staring at the ground.

"And what about her chakra training?" Konan asked. "It's her last year of the Academy, so that training is particularly important."

"Wakahisa," Saya said. "Apologies if this was unclear, Lady Konan, but the different chakra system of a Wakahisa ninja means that we need to perform different exercises. I simply meet with Auntie Makoto once Kisame has gotten bored of us for the day. I would never let Kisame's foolish antics distract me from my education, which remains well under control."

"Antics? You're comparing me to an ant!?" Kisame said. "That's it! Aya, do you want to learn a new ninjutsu to use on your sister?"

"You're not going to teach Aya lethal ninjutsu to use on her sister," Konan said.

"You've taught me too many ninjutsu!" Aya complained. "I need time to practice them if I want to get any good at them. Plus I'm not a ninjutsu specialist anyway, I need to train my taijutsu more!"

"Whatever," Kisame said. "You've only been a genin for a year, it's easy to change specialties. Plus, why would you bother with taijutsu anyway? How am I supposed to design a taijutsu style that you can effectively use with a heavy barrel on your back? Just use a sword. Way cooler."

"The Wakahisa clan already has a taijutsu style," Aya said. "I'm using that style to fight."

"That style sucks. How many jōnin have you killed with it?"

"None!" Aya exclaimed.

"Exactly!" Kisame said back. "That's why we need to develop you a new taijutsu style! Or better yet, just get you to use a sword."

"My clan has ninjutsu that combine well with taijutsu!"

"Psh. I'll teach you better ninjutsu that goes with a sword."

"I don't want to learn any of your ninjutsu! You're a psycho!" Aya said, throwing her hands in the air.

Suddenly, Aya's face split into a devious grin. She turned to Konan. "Did you know he put Saya in a Water Prison Sphere?"

"Kisame…" Konan warned.

"Hey! It was only for like twenty seconds," Kisame said. "Plus, you did it too after I taught you the technique!"

"It's fine when I do it, obviously," Aya said.

"It was more fun when she did it," Saya said. "She let me get a breath of air first and swim around in the bubble."

"Do you want to try again?" Kisame asked. "I can put you back in the Water Prison Sphere and give it some fun currents for you to play with. Here, take a breath-"

"Kisame!" Konan said.

"Fine, fine," he said, holding up his hands again.

"No putting Academy students in Water Prison Spheres," Konan said.

"Actually, it sounds kinda fun," Saya said. "But maybe sometime tonight instead of literally right now?"

"No putting Academy students in Water Prison Spheres without their consent," Konan amended. "And don't let her drown."

"I would never let my student's cute little sister drown," Kisame said. "If anything, it's my student's duty to do it herself."

"She did dunk my head a lot as kids," Saya agreed.

"Keep talking like that," Aya said, in a whisper to Saya that was nonetheless fully audible to the two S-rank ninja in the room, "and I'll put you back in the bubble for as long as it takes for you to learn your lesson."

Konan sighed deeply. "Aya," she said, "the rule against putting Academy students in Water Prison Spheres applies to you as well."

"You can't set rules for me!" Aya said. "I'm not an Akatsuki schmuck like Kisame. I'm a Mist ninja!"

"Even though you wear the robes," Kisame said.

"The robes are cool," Aya said defensively, pulling the black-and-red cloth closer to her face as if to protect herself from Kisame's smugness. "They're soft. And warm."

Konan looked up at the high, gray stone ceiling. Looking to the sky, to the Sage, to any explanation for this madness. She found nothing.

Without looking down, she said, "Aya, if you put your sister in a Water Prison Sphere and drown her, I won't let you paint my nails anymore."

"Noooo!" Aya said, "You can't! Kisame let me paint his nails! And so did Deidara! And Sasori! Even Itachi let me paint his nails when he visited!"

"I did his toenails!" Saya said.

"And I'll keep letting you paint my nails as long as you don't use whatever horrifying techniques Kisame is teaching you to maim or kill anyone inside of Rain."

"The village or the country?" Aya asked, eyes narrowing.

"The country," Konan said.

"What if Grass invades, am I allowed to use Kisame-sensei's ninjutsu against them then?"

"Grass won't invade."

"But what if they did?"

"Then you would be allowed. Just don't hurt anyone in Rain who is authorized to be here."

"What about-"

"I'm not interested in making this a legal contract," Konan said, exasperated. "You know what I mean."

"Deal!" Aya said, sticking her hand out. Almost reluctantly, Konan shook it.

"But you have to admit," Aya said, "the nail polish really pulls the outfit together. Especially for you, Lady Konan, with your ring."

"I like the plum color," Kisame said, admiring his own nails. "You gave the same one to Itachi, right? Way better than the orange you gave Konan."

"Amber," Aya corrected. "It goes better with her eyes. And the ring."

"Well, so long as you girls aren't being mistreated horribly in Kisame's care," Konan said, trying to gather herself, "Aya, I would appreciate some chakra if you can spare it."

"Of course, Lady Konan," Aya said, as she quickly measured out a half-cup of chakra water for the Kage of Rain.

"Do you need more chakra?" Kisame said as Konan drank. He sank a finger into Aya's barrel as he spoke.

"Of course I'll take your chakra," Aya said, wordlessly starting to drain from Kisame. "But it's not fair that you're allowed to have bigger reserves than a Wakahisa."

"Bigger than a Wakahisa?" Kisame asked. "I've got reserves bigger than a jinchūriki!"

"Thank you, Aya," Konan said. "Ignore Kisame's bluster. His reserves are considerably smaller than those of a Tailed Beast. Kisame, I know you needed time to heal from the surgeries, but please consider that you may have tortured the children enough, and that you have other things worth doing with your time. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have village business."

"Well, she's always a wet broadsheet," Kisame said, once Konan had left. "Saya, you probably need to spend all day working on your chakra shaping exercises, right?"

"Plus reading the books Uncle Itachi loaned me!" Saya said. "They sounded really interesting. I've done comparative analyses of history or political ideology, but I'd never thought to try it for religion! Say, when do I get to meet Uncle Hidan?"

"Uncle Itachi has boring taste in books-" Kisame said.

"You only read books about sharks," Saya said.

"-and Uncle Hidan is in timeout for doing something very naughty," Kisame finished. "Be careful that the same doesn't happen to you."

"I'm way better behaved than you, you shark-loving sword-swinging lunk!" Saya said.

"But I am still able to put you in timeout, so who's the real winner?" Kisame asked. "Anyways, Aya, what do you want to do today? Want to play with Samehada?"

"It cut my hands last time you tried to make me play with it," Aya said.

"Do you want to go on a shark ride around the lake?" Kisame asked.

"We did that yesterday!"

"But does that mean you don't want to do it again today?"

"...no."

"Great!" Kisame said, leaping to his feet. "Let's go! I can give you some kenjutsu training and maybe we can find some chakra beasts worth fighting on the island in the middle."

"See you later, Aya."

"Good luck, Saya."

"Look kid, I'm gonna be a damn good sensei," Kisame said, voice fading alongside Aya's footsteps as they left Saya behind. "When you kill me, I'm gonna drop crazy good loot, too. Samehada and the Shark Scroll? You're a very lucky lil' pup."

"Meh," Aya replied. "Walruses are better."

"What!?"
 
Oh dear, we're going to explode our brother's sisters. Here's hoping that rift thing we're all betting on lets us revive them after a minimal amount of repeatedly falling into an ocean of acid.
 
Welp, time for them to die, too. At least the QMs won't have to worry about the Wakahisa Worldbuilding Problem anymore :p

"Plus reading the books Uncle Itachi loaned me!" Saya said. "They sounded really interesting. I've done comparative analyses of history or political ideology, but I'd never thought to try it for religion! Say, when do I get to meet Uncle Hidan?"


Wait, they get the Forbidden Lore? Nah, they really do have to die, then.
 
Last edited:
Oh dear, we're going to explode our brother's sisters. Here's hoping that rift thing we're all betting on lets us revive them after a minimal amount of repeatedly falling into an ocean of acid.
Not just Noburi's sisters, but also Kei's sister (Ami actually fled to join the Akatsuki) and Hazou's mother (they took her hostage after she drew attention to herself at the wrong moment). Maybe also Mari's mother? They might've grabbed her alongside Hana, Saya, and Aya when visiting Mist, just as a bulk order.

This is going to be one impressive instance of familicide.
 
Not just Noburi's sisters, but also Kei's sister (Ami actually fled to join the Akatsuki) and Hazou's mother (they took her hostage after she drew attention to herself at the wrong moment). Maybe also Mari's mother? They might've grabbed her alongside Hana, Saya, and Aya when visiting Mist, just as a bulk order.

This is going to be one impressive instance of familicide.
Assuming they are, in fact, at the rift ready to be familicided.

Hm. We should probably just EM Nuke Rune the planet to be sure.
 
Oh good, Noburi's TYS has been looking pretty low these days compared to Kei and Hazou!

The canonicity of this interlude is likely intertwined with the canonicity of the chakra golem one, given the reference to Kisame's surgery. I just checked, and that interlude happened between 675 and 676: barring nonlinear time, they got mauled somewhere around September 23-24. Right now it's March 10. If Sasori really was capable of reversing the amputations, then even a Severe Consequence side-effect would have faded by now. In short: we must expect that Itachi and Kisame have returned to their full strength, whatever the canonicity.

Lastly, I can't quite figure out what Hidan did to tick off the rest of Akatsuki here. Unless they're still angry about the Asuma affair that got Kakuzu killed, but that was at least a year ago by now.

And Kisame better watch his words, or else one day we'll buy some Akatsuki robes and waltz right into Rain and he won't be able to do a thing to stop us.
 
Not just Noburi's sisters, but also Kei's sister (Ami actually fled to join the Akatsuki) and Hazou's mother (they took her hostage after she drew attention to herself at the wrong moment). Maybe also Mari's mother? They might've grabbed her alongside Hana, Saya, and Aya when visiting Mist, just as a bulk order.

This is going to be one impressive instance of familicide.
Nothing for it but to kill Sasuke in retaliation.
 
"Language!" Aya and Saya and Konan admonished in unison. Kisame raised both hands in apology
Kisame is the number one cutest recruit <3
"No putting Academy students in Water Prison Spheres," Konan said.
Aw, now I feel guilty we have to kill them
"Noooo!" Aya said, "You can't! Kisame let me paint his nails! And so did Deidara! And Sasori! Even Itachi let me paint his nails when he visited!"
They could always start a rock band and/or sign Kisame/Deidara/Sasori/Itachi up for otokonoko pharmaceuticals-
"Look kid, I'm gonna be a damn good sensei," Kisame said, voice fading alongside Aya's footsteps as they left Saya behind. "When you kill me, I'm gonna drop crazy good loot, too. Samehada and the Shark Scroll? You're a very lucky lil' pup."

"Meh," Aya replied. "Walruses are better."

"What!?"
Yeah that's what I said, too. "What!?", that is. Not the thing about walruses. The thing about walruses is what made me say "What!?", same as him.
 
"All students kill their senseis eventually, kid. It's the circle of life."
"Look kid, I'm gonna be a damn good sensei," Kisame said, voice fading alongside Aya's footsteps as they left Saya behind. "When you kill me, I'm gonna drop crazy good loot, too. Samehada and the Shark Scroll? You're a very lucky lil' pup."
I wonder if this is an accurate representation of Kisame's character, even if the events themselves aren't canon? If it is, he seems kind of fatalistic. Maybe not outright depressed, but certainly he seems very resigned to his own eventual death by violence. It makes me wonder whether Kisame might be relatively easy to recruit to Uplift, if we could give him tangible proof that we can make things better. It's probably why he went with Pain.

(Actually, thinking about it - do we have the slightest idea why Hidan went along with Pain? Connecting everyone and achieving eternal peace doesn't seem very concordant with Jashin's goals.)
 
(Actually, thinking about it - do we have the slightest idea why Hidan went along with Pain? Connecting everyone and achieving eternal peace doesn't seem very concordant with Jashin's goals.)

Well.
Pain's plan has all the hallmarks of a brutally authoritarian top-down implementation of "utopia / peace (in our time)", only far more extreme given the unsubstantiated lengths he is willing to go to with regards to human nature, as well as the specific mechanics of his implementation thereof. Add a pinch of others' likely (explosive) objections, that the deaths will almost certainly include some of the most valuable "crop" of the generation (if XP or personal power is at all important for Jashin in their canon), and finally that plans almost never go perfectly... This was always a recipe for a generational if not global bloodbath - regardless of who "won".
Of course Jashin would join in, and probably on both sides. (There is also the: More people = more deaths angle, but the history of EN seems to contradict this unless Hazou was Jashin's bigbrain moment a long time in the making)

But also Hidan is an idiot. He may have agreed just for the color scheme.
 
Last edited:
The nice thing about killing people immediately before you take control of a rift to the afterlife is that you have control of a rift to the afterlife.

And this will probably motivate the hell out of Noburi, which doesn't hurt.

Getting killed is probably worth a few TYS when you're a genin. Really, this will be great for their careers.
 
The nice thing about killing people immediately before you take control of a rift to the afterlife is that you have control of a rift to the afterlife.

And this will probably motivate the hell out of Noburi, which doesn't hurt.

Getting killed is probably worth a few TYS when you're a genin. Really, this will be great for their careers.

Heh. Jokes aside, I am a bit mystified as to the canonicity (OOC decision-influencing omake information in my MfD???) and how the characters are supposed to gather all this from a fully bombed and halfway carbonized area. Maybe after the fact, either in the rift or from Nob's family.

Now if only some other distant or otherwise family members were present at said fortification...
 
Shit. Without Naruto onsite, It'll be harder to force the loot division we want if/when we win.

We really really want the tower to claim Itachi's soul-killer sword, because that's the only way we know to actually put Orochimaru down for good.
We should try to get a message to Naruto to that effect, so he can have Tsunade insist on claiming it.

Tsunade+SC is more firepower than Oro+SC, but we need Oro the move the rift, so dunno how that resolves if push comes to shove.

Other notes; we really really want Hazou to be able to claim one of Itachi's eyes for himself and the crow scroll for Mari. No idea when/how we bring this up without getting waaay ahead of ourselves, but it's something to keep an eye on.
 
Other notes; we really really want Hazou to be able to claim one of Itachi's eyes for himself and the crow scroll for Mari. No idea when/how we bring this up without getting waaay ahead of ourselves, but it's something to keep an eye on.
The crow scroll will survive, but Itachi's eyeballs will be reduced to a fine mist along with the rest of him. So not holding out hope, there.
 
(Actually, thinking about it - do we have the slightest idea why Hidan went along with Pain? Connecting everyone and achieving eternal peace doesn't seem very concordant with Jashin's goals.)
The Doylist answer is because this is ultimately a Naruto fanfic and the simulation still has to be built around accommodating at least some amount of Naruto's canon. There may be another answer downstream of this but it's still a result of "Ok, Hidan is in Akatsuki in Naruto, how's that work in MfD?".
 
The crow scroll will survive, but Itachi's eyeballs will be reduced to a fine mist along with the rest of him. So not holding out hope, there.
Hmm, if Oro kills him, he might take care to preserve the eyes. We might be able to buy one from him, say in exchange for our runes + a well-defined agreement to cooperate with some testing? Oro may not be able to make full use of the eyeballs; by contrast, the IN potentially won't reject the Sharingan transplant...
 
Back
Top