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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Halil said:
Watch Sasuke give us shit for the scroll because "my clan heritage". Brother, our clan's heritage is stealing summoning scrolls. Please show up or shut up. (I am only mostly joking)
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I would personally be very happy to entertain any and all offers he may have for the scroll if he feels it's an important part of the Uchiha heritage. I look forward to being appropriately compensated for the tremendous service we have performed for the Uchiha. Obviously, if they don't value the scroll, we'll keep it, and the only way we can determine how much they actually value it is how much they're willing to give us for it.

On the topic of plans, it's crucial that you be on the same page about baseline reality (e.g. what's going on in the quest, how characters will react to your proposed courses of action) with enough people that you can win a vote. This agreement doesn't need to be about everything but it does need to cover all the critical elements of your plan. You additionally need to not have a record of being massively unaligned with the player base at large. People vote for plans they like and planners they trust.
 
roobee said:
Anyone got tips on how to get your ideas into winning action plans?
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Trick #1 is always 'have voters agree with you'. I have always found most success influencing plans where voters agree with my comments.

It might sound smarmy but that really is the jist of it. There are ways to manipulate things, like vote trading and planwriter's privilege, but those should and hopefully always will be subservient to voting.
 
FaintlySorcerous said:
I would personally be very happy to entertain any and all offers he may have for the scroll if he feels it's an important part of the Uchiha heritage. I look forward to being appropriately compensated for the tremendous service we have performed for the Uchiha.
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Paperclipped said:
Mari shrugged. "Look at the new chūnin we adopted. Each of them learned ninjutsu from the KEI's exchange program, and they were good ninjutsu. Not amazing ninjutsu, like I'm sure the Uchiha and the Sarutobi have up their sleeves, but better than the average clanless ninja gets access to.
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Also related to how it's ideal to get a plan out early: the majority of playerbase engagement about planmaking comes from suggesting changes to existing plans. I find it a lot easier to articulate what I like/dislike about a plan when it's already laid out in front of me instead of idle chatter that may or may not be written down in a way that I may or may not agree with. So I, and many others, wait for an opportunity to be presented to us, and use that as a springboard to start discussion.

Getting in at the beginning of a cycle doesn't, imo, outright invite a bandwagon effect, so much as that the first plan on the scene will get the first critiques and discussions, and if you're on top of player feedback and updating your plan you quickly become the sort of plan players like before any yet-to-be-posted plans have a chance to.

(As we've often seen, competing plans will often converge in all respects except the one contentious decision that separates them. This still happens when there's no controversial decision, I would contend, it just ends up looking like the first plan to be posted ran away with the cycle. Even in absence of a competitor, it still converges on hivemind-optimal as feeback is incorporated, and then there's simply no need for any competitors.)

The one way that I would say the bandwagon effect exists is that we aren't likely to rapidly change plans near the deadline, and the reason for that's fairly simple to see: it would take a really good argument for us to abandon the hivemind-optimal plan for one with no time to itself go through the converging process. In that respect the early plan has the advantage for being early, but personally I don't think that's a problem or a bias or anything.
 
_The_Bomb said:
I'm not dumb enough to read a chapter with this title right before we indiscriminately bombard their headquarters. It's going to turn out that Ino or Ami or Noburi's sisters (or worst of all, Honoka) is right in the blast zone.

Can't wait to read it after Sunday though!
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We're not bombarding their headquarters this plan, it stops after we attack Moon. We have at least one more plan to go before the actual Rift fight.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
In that respect the early plan has the advantage for being early, but personally I don't think that's a problem or a bias or anything.
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I can think of at least three counterexamples in which a late-ish fork of a winning plan both won and wound up looking materially different from the original plan at the time it won.

I think caring about personally winning vote cycles decreases the likelihood you win. I'll probably elaborate more on it later but the crux of the matter is that you need to have good ideas and if you prioritize winning over sticking to your guns, you'll lose every time.
 
Wait, last chapter was 696. If the QMs want to have BOTG2 land on chapter 700 exactly we'll have to get four more chapters.
 
Sir Stompy said:
We're supposed to execute the Great Chakra Slurp next update. Or at least I hope we do.

All the QMs need to do is give us 2 filler chapters while figuring out who wins the Riftwar.
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We're going to spend at least one update talking to Tsunade and the Leaf contingent, so maybe just one filler chapter? Seeing the Leaf side of things would be cool.
 
That seems plausible to me. One chapter of getting updated on Leaf, a chapter of the Great Chakra Slurp, and then one last one for BOTG2 prep. That fits nicely, the only thing that stands out to me is that I'd expect a Leaf update to be "part 1 of 2", as opposed to a chapter # increment, since we probably won't have another vote before the Great Chakra Slurp.
 
A musing; as we draw closer to the battle, our control over the situation lessens. As another Naruto fic maybe written by a QM (i forgor) once said, "I find that the outcome of battles are determined when swords are drawn, not sheathed."
 
Veedrac said:
Lord please don't. Murdering a village to use the people as fuel is already dehumanizing enough. I realize I'm deep in the minority here but hey, I believe what I believe.
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If it makes you feel any better, the former Porcupine Summoner left and didn't want her village to have the power of a summoner.

Moon was probably really really evil. Don't worry.

(I love my high octane copium)
 
Veedrac said:
Lord please don't. Murdering a village to use the people as fuel is already dehumanizing enough. I realize I'm deep in the minority here but hey, I believe what I believe.
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Yeah I feel like this decision is going to have consequences. We've gone full "the ends justify any means", and the means are pretty horrific.

On the one hand I feel like we might lose some pretty significant relationships here even if we're successful (Akane???). But on the flip side, ninja culture indoctrinates perpetuating horrible violence against anybody outside of your village. So maybe people will just shrug it off.
 
ting said:
Yeah I feel like this decision is going to have consequences. We've gone full "the ends justify any means", and the means are pretty horrific.

On the one hand I feel like we might lose some pretty significant relationships here even if we're successful (Akane???). But on the flip side, ninja culture indoctrinates perpetuating horrible violence against anybody outside of your village. So maybe people will just shrug it off.
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Akane killed thousands on the orders of the Hokage. She'd understand at least.
 
Maybe a hot (in the sense of bad) take but I don't think calling something a slightly funny name makes it less serious or weighty. We're probably going to call it something and calling it the Moonheist or whatever isn't going to comfort the dead.

I don't necessarily want it called the Great Chakra Slurp by characters (at least not in front of Oro and Sunny) but I think it'd make a good chapter title.
 
ting said:
Yeah I feel like this decision is going to have consequences. We've gone full "the ends justify any means", and the means are pretty horrific.

On the one hand I feel like we might lose some pretty significant relationships here even if we're successful (Akane???). But on the flip side, ninja culture indoctrinates perpetuating horrible violence against anybody outside of your village. So maybe people will just shrug it off.
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See the thing is thanks to necromancy killing people isn't horrific at all. They're just going into time out
 
Oneiros said:
See the thing is thanks to necromancy killing people isn't horrific at all. They're just going into time out
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So the thing is that if Oro grabs them that's arguably really bad. They won't die, or if they do it won't be quick and their bodies will be mangled.

But if they all just die in the same place from similar causes at the same time, honestly that might help us locate them.
 
Sir Stompy said:
Akane killed thousands on the orders of the Hokage. She'd understand at least.
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I think we have pretty radically different models of Akane here! To my view: yes she did this.. and it basically broke her. She felt fairly certainly the act was evil, but it was also an order from essentially the god of her religion which created the dichotomy. She also (in the moment) felt she had no choice, although I think she rejected that framing later. All of that to me would feel wildly different from Hazou coming up with a creative plan to kill thousands himself.

But most crucially, our models of Akane both model her as very dead. So this handwringing around how she might feel is not particularly important unless we bring her back through the rift in the first place!
 
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ting said:
I think we have pretty radically different models of Akane here! To my view: yes she did this.. and it basically broke her. She felt fairly certainly the act was evil, but it was also an order from essentially the god of her religion which created the dichotomy. She also (in the moment) felt she had no choice, although I think she rejected that framing. All of that to me would feel wildly different from Hazou coming up with a creative plan to kill thousands himself.

But most crucially, our models of Akane both model her as very dead. So this handwringing around how she might feel is not particularly important unless we bring her back through the rift in the first place!
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We don't have a choice here either. Besides surrender to Akatsuki and let Hidan depopulate more islands.
 
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