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- America
Snuncle is literally making jokes with us now. Awww he actually likes us!
No wonder Oro puts up with our layers of caution and paranoia. He goes to great lengths too.
In a novel this would sound like foreshadowing...
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Both Cloud and Rock absorbed other Nations just because they could.
Leaf isn't the good guy here, but there was more reasoning than raw expansion.
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Let's Ditch Team Uplift for Snuncle Warcrimes and his minions --our new cousins ^.^
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That was more or less the pragmatic anti-atrocity argument I put forward, which led to
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The argument you linked was that they should trust us upfront, which I agree with others is very unlikely to work. I was suggesting that we forcibly abduct them as planned, but then afterwards bribe them to not go to AMITY, which means that the risk is about the aftereffects and not the success of the mission itself.
He confessed. Last chapter or three, I think.
I thought Tsunade might have cancelled the assault akatsuki plan. interesting that she is going along with it.
edit: also interesting that Oro is pessimistic about resurrecting Jiraiya. If he, by inference, also isn't worried about resurrecting Pain. Why is he going to such risks to attack Akatsuki?
edit: also interesting that Oro is pessimistic about resurrecting Jiraiya. If he, by inference, also isn't worried about resurrecting Pain. Why is he going to such risks to attack Akatsuki?
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Hope you feel better soon, thanks for the chapter.
And dang, talking to a variety of dogs was something I would have enjoyed seeing Hazou do, just snapshots of how he approaches each socially, and a sampling of who these dogs are, what they're concerns are, what moves them, etc.
I really hope we get the start of the meeting with Tsunade next chapter, re-contacting Leaf is a big moment for us.
Hidan Jashin luck, probably.
Little does he know....
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Strongly agree.
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I'd imagine that, since the only major participants of the Moon invasion are its elite Jonin, Hazou would have some time to "talk" to Leaf's Chunin chakra batteries while the adults do the heavy lifting.
It's going to be really interesting to see how many of them want to accidentally Hazou.
It's going to be really interesting to see how many of them want to accidentally Hazou.
And the major question, "What does she think of the Moon extermination, and what does she think of Hazou for proposing it?".
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FWIW, and this speaks to both the plan-making and Moon-massacring elements that have been talked about in the thread recently: I didn't want to do an innocent mass murder. But it's hard to fight thread momentum sometimes, and the thread is pretty scattered on the "how do you feel about doing horrific things" question. So if you don't have enough time/energy to make a counter-plan and take in feedback for the cycle, you normally just lose. And selling your vote for a core issue that's contrary to a main plan doesn't work. And then you end up a lurker, because there's no plan you do like and you don't want to support the one you don't, but you can't commit to enough engagement to do anything.
So the best way to get popular plans is to present a reasonable alternative, and then get buy-in from the other members with niche issues. And to have the plan ready to go as soon as the voting is open. Even if people fork from your plan, the odds that a lot of parts you like get to stay in then. You just need to clear the quality bar at the start. If you don't, then you don't get traction.
For context: Of the small amount of plans of mine that have won, most were in voting cycles where there weren't many plans, and the other main plan was something off the rails, where my plan was a "do these reasonable things that need to get done", with sometimes a small extra bit, but no massive curveball. But that's not enough when there's no real "stay the course" path. This is more of a "what doesn't work" answer I'm afraid.
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
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Thought: Take over moon.
We kidnap all their ninja, leaving their civilians unguarded, right? Oh woe is me, so many deaths on our hands... unless we can send (after the rift fight) a dozen or so ninja to keep those civvies alive. It shouldn't take that much for basic Till'n'fill and extermination duties to keep the civilians alive. Chakra beasts are frequently culled and therefore less dangerous around ninja population centers, right? Moon wouldn't exactly be thriving, but 'only' destroying a rival military force isn't quite the same level of atrocity.
Now what loyal leaf ninja could we trust to look after an entire foreign nation on their own? Why, the heroes of the rift war of course!
Might be hard to welcome back team uplift after spending all that time talking up their betrayal. Sure, sure, Naruto will issue a statement about how it was all a clever ruse to get back at Akatsuki. But a lot of people said and felt a lot of things about the topic, it'd be emotional difficult for so many people to be forced to pull a 180 on their position. Suspicion might linger.
Now what if, instead, Naruto issued that same statement... about their new allies in Moon?
And thus marked for death goes full circle, and we found our own ninja village. A nice, rune-protected village where we can do our rift exploration in peace, where the revival of legendary and powerful ninja can be hidden away until the time is right for them to make their return known. We act as a branch of leaf, but with effective independence.
What about Amity reprisal? Well... what about it?
Oh, and Ami is there too. Obviously. "Somehow,Pal Ami has returned."
We kidnap all their ninja, leaving their civilians unguarded, right? Oh woe is me, so many deaths on our hands... unless we can send (after the rift fight) a dozen or so ninja to keep those civvies alive. It shouldn't take that much for basic Till'n'fill and extermination duties to keep the civilians alive. Chakra beasts are frequently culled and therefore less dangerous around ninja population centers, right? Moon wouldn't exactly be thriving, but 'only' destroying a rival military force isn't quite the same level of atrocity.
Now what loyal leaf ninja could we trust to look after an entire foreign nation on their own? Why, the heroes of the rift war of course!
Might be hard to welcome back team uplift after spending all that time talking up their betrayal. Sure, sure, Naruto will issue a statement about how it was all a clever ruse to get back at Akatsuki. But a lot of people said and felt a lot of things about the topic, it'd be emotional difficult for so many people to be forced to pull a 180 on their position. Suspicion might linger.
Now what if, instead, Naruto issued that same statement... about their new allies in Moon?
And thus marked for death goes full circle, and we found our own ninja village. A nice, rune-protected village where we can do our rift exploration in peace, where the revival of legendary and powerful ninja can be hidden away until the time is right for them to make their return known. We act as a branch of leaf, but with effective independence.
What about Amity reprisal? Well... what about it?
Oh, and Ami is there too. Obviously. "Somehow,
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I cannot imagine Naruto being willing to put Hazou-the-somehow-senior-runecrafter-over-Orochimaru in any location that's not "in Leaf's most secure location, making runes to keep Leaf safe from hypothetical AMITY reprisals" or "cremated and his ashes hidden where nobody can find them".
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I express the concern that Naruto might be ... less than willing to allow Hazou to leave, even if he develops his combat stats to Jonin level.
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Then he'd better throw shinies at us to keep us distracted. That Rasengan jutsu is looking particularly shiny
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NARUTO: Rasengan's a jutsu my father invented, and I'm not sure you even have the chakra to cast it. OTOH, I heard you were interested in learning TH/medicine/something-that-requires-you-to-stay-in-Leaf, why don't I set you up with some people I know?Then he'd better throw shinies at us to keep us distracted. That Rasengan jutsu is looking particularly shiny
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Hazou already knows all of the research stats. :hazoulook:
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Nah, we only need medicine for biosealing, and THing for [redacted]. Unless he can swing an Orochimaru apprenticeship, it's gonna be Rasengan, or we're rasen-gone
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I mean, if it keeps Hazou in Leaf...
(though TBH Naruto would probably pull Kabuto or something, there's gotta be more than just Orochimaru in Leaf)
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Unless Kabuto is going to give us an Essie's
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Oooh, good point, I bet Kabuto's coils are jounin level.
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Now we're cooking >:3
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See, you thought there was good in people. That's your first mistake. Both Leaf and Moon would not trust it and the hokage, assuming it's not us, would likely just order Moon to be wiped out not much later anyways.
Also jutsu are seen as precious and no kage is going to pay a weaker force with them.