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Plus, our sample size of one indicates that Jashin mooks have amazing ninjutsu we might want to 'persuade' them to give us!
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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I think if this worked then the setting would have fewer secret jutsu.
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I mean, secret is a spectrum, it may just be unknown to us. Plus, how often do sannin ever shake down jonin, with a chunin along for the ride who would benefit from a random A-rank technique?
I absolutely don't think the sannin will care about a cool technique that isn't good enough to loot for the sake of leaf as a whole. And given that Orochimaru has already traded us powerful techniques that we haven't bothered to learn (plus Geode), I doubt they'll do it as a favor you us.
Still, it would be cool. And who knows? A Jashinist suicide technique could be a powerful tool in the hands of a SC user.
Not sure if anyone has raised this issue yet, but it seems that the image of Zerovirus' fanart of the team broke at some point.Fanart by Zerovirus, I take no credit just posted on their behalf.
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We can disable them like we did the Moon ninja and then drop them off with Ino to get their techniques.
If any of them also know Daizen's techniques, it will be absolutely worth it. If Yuno had Storm Wisp to synergize with her SotS-enhanced counterattack movements, she'd have an extremely powerful build.
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Team Uplift by Zerovirus
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Team Uplift, presented by the inestimable @Zerovirus:
View: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rp7cPPFyES0w9j-f7VnNNRA7tNdH9UTq/view?usp=drive_link
View: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rp7cPPFyES0w9j-f7VnNNRA7tNdH9UTq/view?usp=drive_link
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I can't edit @Shadowwarp's post, so I'll turn the above one into a new media post. The link is to the QM fanart archive, so it should be stable until Google itself betrays mankind.
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Sweet, so we've got like eight months!
@eaglejarl @Paperclipped @Velorien , question I've had for a while now: how are advances in medical knowledge mechanically represented?
A few chapters back, after we got the bioseals from Oro, we had this exchange:
But how is this fact represented mechanically? I have speculated before that Oro might have capstone MedKnow, but it seems unlikely that MedKnow 80-90 vs MedKnow 60 is the difference here. MedKnow is a stat that only exists relative to the knowledge of the setting, so "just" raising MedKnow shouldn't get you new information that isn't already available. Given that there's no cap on MedKnow, it seems more like, as a result of his research, Oro's MedKnow is qualitatively better than Noburi's, in the same way that the MedKnow stat of an expert doctor in our world would be qualitatively better than Tsunade's MedKnow, even if they'd put the same metaphorical amount of XP into it. How does this work? Suggestions include:
A few chapters back, after we got the bioseals from Oro, we had this exchange:
So Noburi, with his MedKnow 60, doesn't know that bones have anything to do with blood production. This makes sense, since he lives in a feudal-era society with no concept of cells, germ theory, or really any actual understanding of biology. Oro does know that bones are involved in blood production, since he knew to target bioseals to them; again, this makes sense, since Oro has spent decades doing highly unethical medical research on humans.
But how is this fact represented mechanically? I have speculated before that Oro might have capstone MedKnow, but it seems unlikely that MedKnow 80-90 vs MedKnow 60 is the difference here. MedKnow is a stat that only exists relative to the knowledge of the setting, so "just" raising MedKnow shouldn't get you new information that isn't already available. Given that there's no cap on MedKnow, it seems more like, as a result of his research, Oro's MedKnow is qualitatively better than Noburi's, in the same way that the MedKnow stat of an expert doctor in our world would be qualitatively better than Tsunade's MedKnow, even if they'd put the same metaphorical amount of XP into it. How does this work? Suggestions include:
- Oro doesn't actually understand the role of bones in blood production, but he's discovered that that's how you make bioseals to manipulate it, in the same way that sealmasters can make seals that manipulate light without actually understanding what light is. (That is, he only knows that bones are involved in blood production as a result of having researched bioseals related to it, which the Sealing mechanics cover.)
- Oro has some kind of record of specific things he understands (which presumably doesn't actually exist, but would exist if you had infinite spoons to generate it), based on the medical research he's done, in a similar vein to Seals Known lists.
- Oro has one or more stunts that make his MedKnow cover a wider range of scenarios.
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How optimistic of you
Noburi can reverse summon. Noburi will not die to a superchiller. No panicking.
Dots on the surface of the sphere. So you can only tell direction and guess distance by the brightness, mm.
Catching them may not be enough if they have a way to message Konan.
Though other teams in position to run might sneak back in radar range after seeing the silent explosions stop.
"Iron Nerve."
Heh.
Great POV choice. Overlooks the whole battlefield, lasts until the end and fun internal narration to peer in to.
Lucky catch! Could have been a disaster if he was outside the dome.
Good excuse to borrow for a dome around Leaf.
Against radars and RERs hiding in a smokescreen would have been so good for us.
To be a fly on the wall for Akatsuki bickering over Deidara still calling his mount a dragon after the Dragonwar.
Turn based combat is not great at representing this. Locking everyone in place while other character's turns play out.
Choosing the explosion distance adds more complexity to aiming too. Unless you set max distance and get lucky aiming dead on or hit the dome when Deidara hugs it.
Who needs dodge or chakra boost when you have high Alertness and 10+ zones of aerial movement? Was half waiting to see if Mari or Kurenai would run up the outside of the dome to try genjutsu.
Smokescreens could have helped find out which direction we were firing from if he had the time to cast them. If not for radars. Deadly, deadly kit Hazō built up.
Thought the fight lasted until next gloaming for a minute. 💦
Clone on the back of the dragon could have helped, but not much without bloodline powers.
Gaslight no jutsu!
Fits with high movement low dodge.
Banger finale, bravo. Orochimaru yoinks the kill. Scott Pilgrim aura, defeating his new flame's [infinite rinnegan donor] seven evil exes.
YA!
Stalemate with surviving Akatsuki is great news for not getting instakilled by Orochimaru.
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It's a combination of mechanical and narrative. Mechanically, Orochimaru has the MedKnow to process and understand complex medical information like the role of bone in blood production (to an HDK extent). Narratively, Orochimaru is a compulsive and ruthless experimenter who has the opportunity to find out facts unavailable to ordinary medics who don't casually vivisect people by the dozen. Thus, when we make a judgement call about whether Orochimaru knows a given piece of medical lore, he is at a great advantage. If his MedKnow was too low, we'd rule that he simply didn't know what the data meant, even if he had it. If he was an ordinary Leaf medic-nin, we'd probably rule that he had no way of gaining the data in the first place. (His biosealing stacks with these advantages, both as an extra source of data and as an extra set of tools for analysing it.)
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IIRC EJ said that Daizen's techniques were not going to be made accessible to the players. They were made for a one-shot fight and were not carefully balanced to prevent player munchkinry.
Though I might be misremembering based on what RoadWild said about Lightning Lash in Eight Seconds to Impact.
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…damn.
That would fit. That would fit frighteningly well. We already knew they drain memories - Jiraiya was a clear example. The Out memories are distinct from ordinary memories, being Out Of Reality data stapled to Hazō's brain by the Iron Nerve - they're even distinct from ordinary Iron Nerve recordings. It's not QMs randomly taking stuff, or a spooky interlude with no ultimate impact, it's a lens - a boost from a god pointing out what we missed about the world-as-presented.
Meaning that, to avoid losing DotB, we need Hazō "pretty damn far" pilot to not charge through the Rift to personally look for his fading girlfriend.
…hahahahahaha. Welp. Maybe we'll survive peeking at the Pangolin scroll again…?
More importantly, this calls attention (at least for me; I'm never sure how deep the thread/discord have gone on everything) to just how much time our dead S-rankers might need to recover. Jiraiya was doing well keeping some hold on who he is, thanks to our intervention, but the Sannin gained all sorts of boosts and bonuses, like the Chakra Pool. Techniques can be retrained (although hopefully most of them won't need to be, or they'll recover with other memories once back on the Human Path), but just as Sasori needed time to re-surgery himself, and Oro would lose all sorts of Bioseals, Jiraiya and Guy and Kakashi and Asuma may have lost some of their more esoteric stuff for good, or just had their chakra pools ripped in half as their souls faded.
Our best example of a resurrection happened practically as the cultist in question died, after all. Death sickness may need more PTO than we thought.
Does anyone recall when/if this was last discussed? I'd like to set aside a spoon to go over this, see if there's anything else I've missed.
We've gotten WOG- they may drain functional memories, but not personal. The QMs don't want to write amnesia or dementia or the like as a result of this. Nothing's set in stone but I've seen one idea get approving nods- specifically, that XP might be lost but unstagnations get retained.
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Regarding the rift, tbh I expect any suggestions that Hazo personally enter the rift to get vetoed on grounds of sanity.
For one, as far as combat ability goes, we're not even a jonin. If you take away our seals and chakra as the pure lands tend to do, we're hardly even a genin. We are not equipped to handle any opposition in the rift.
Two, we are the least expendable person who could possibly enter the rift. We are one of two people who can actually open the dang thing, and no one in Leaf likes Vivisection Mcgee so they'd probably be thrilled if he went in and got lost. But if we go in there, Leaf could lose it's one saneish runesmith.
And unless we have to infuse runes or seals in there, which remains to be seen and is a iffy proposition considering what the place does to seals, then we bring very little value to the table compared to some other Leaf chuunin or jonin.
For one, as far as combat ability goes, we're not even a jonin. If you take away our seals and chakra as the pure lands tend to do, we're hardly even a genin. We are not equipped to handle any opposition in the rift.
Two, we are the least expendable person who could possibly enter the rift. We are one of two people who can actually open the dang thing, and no one in Leaf likes Vivisection Mcgee so they'd probably be thrilled if he went in and got lost. But if we go in there, Leaf could lose it's one saneish runesmith.
And unless we have to infuse runes or seals in there, which remains to be seen and is a iffy proposition considering what the place does to seals, then we bring very little value to the table compared to some other Leaf chuunin or jonin.
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Interludes! Action plans are Hazo, but scenes are sometimes written from somebody else's perspective, like sections of the recent rift battle itself.
Unless the exploration party is all hands lost, we'll get a report which is enough to justify seeing it from their perspective .
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We should use the Final Gift Programme to do rift delving. Crippled ninja already willing to give their lives to horrible medical experimentation for their loved ones would be more than happy to take the route that gives them a (relatively) painless death and gives them the chance to come back to life afterwards. Kill them in front of the rift, or at strategically placed locations (eg. Nagi Island), with instructions to alert their dead allies in the afterlife of where to go.
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redzonejoe
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Might be hard to orient in the afterlife. Knowing where you were in EN, knowing where rift is, knowing you need to go 'north northeast' to get there, all of that goes out the window when you die and end up on a different plane of existence. Can't navigate using the sun, moon or stars, not sure any of those things even exist over there, or that they'd be in the appropriate positions if they do.
If you have the actual rift to orient yourself, that might be less of a problem. Open up rift in an area, send people through, point them in the right direction and say you'll meet up with them in approximately x distance that way with a new rift, have them search & gather while they move.
Still impractical and risky in a lot of ways, but it might be useful for example on the trek back home to leaf. Send a crew to search that entire length of space, gather support which might radiate outwards, with everybody being aware of the generally correct distance and direction, assuming those things actually map properly.
If we weren't currently positioned over a sea of acid, that is.
Could recommend opening the rift once a day on the way back home, giving some ninja a 6 hour rest period while others explore and potentially recruit souls to spread the message in the afterlife that they can return to life if they head in the right direction. Might learn a lot about how a location matches up to it's pure lands counterpart too, which would be very valuable for directing future search parties.
Note: This would imply some amount of other ninja remaining with Orochimaru while he moves the rune, rather than the full party heading back to leaf at top speed.
Important question: Is it possible to move the rift while it's open? This could be VERY helpful, give a ton of important information, and would be especially useful over the sea of acid or other hazardous regions. Could shift rune towards people in need of rescue instead of hoping the skywalkers don't give out and drop you
If you have the actual rift to orient yourself, that might be less of a problem. Open up rift in an area, send people through, point them in the right direction and say you'll meet up with them in approximately x distance that way with a new rift, have them search & gather while they move.
Still impractical and risky in a lot of ways, but it might be useful for example on the trek back home to leaf. Send a crew to search that entire length of space, gather support which might radiate outwards, with everybody being aware of the generally correct distance and direction, assuming those things actually map properly.
If we weren't currently positioned over a sea of acid, that is.
Could recommend opening the rift once a day on the way back home, giving some ninja a 6 hour rest period while others explore and potentially recruit souls to spread the message in the afterlife that they can return to life if they head in the right direction. Might learn a lot about how a location matches up to it's pure lands counterpart too, which would be very valuable for directing future search parties.
Note: This would imply some amount of other ninja remaining with Orochimaru while he moves the rune, rather than the full party heading back to leaf at top speed.
Important question: Is it possible to move the rift while it's open? This could be VERY helpful, give a ton of important information, and would be especially useful over the sea of acid or other hazardous regions. Could shift rune towards people in need of rescue instead of hoping the skywalkers don't give out and drop you
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With the Rune research and the actual portal around for stuy we might be able to move it on the other side too.
Or even create a second one with Runes prepared on both ends.
Stargate afterlife quest. Lets gooooo.
Or even create a second one with Runes prepared on both ends.
Stargate afterlife quest. Lets gooooo.
boo600
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I mean, putting runes on the other end with the chakra drain just screams 'runic failure in the making,' so I'm antsy about that, but making the portal move its relative location sounds like a fun way to delve without losing all our XP.
The s-rankers will be severely gimped, from the sound of it, but keeping their unstagnations… they should be able to power back up relatively quickly. Give 'em a training arc or two…
The s-rankers will be severely gimped, from the sound of it, but keeping their unstagnations… they should be able to power back up relatively quickly. Give 'em a training arc or two…
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Since Hazō and Noburi learned their medical skills (in no small part) from Orochimaru's and Tsunade's medical research notes, and (for Noburi) from Tsunade, herself, does this mean that the two are granted more leeway in what they're allowed to know, compared to a random medics of comparable medical stats?