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Edit: On second thoughts, @Left-Hand Mutant's point that the rift location is likely reinforced now is solid. I recall we'd previously concluded Akatsuki members likely weren't at the rift location, that it was just a bunch of cultists, but consider: they have cause to suspect that Leaf, including Orochimaru, knows, and they definitely know we're out and about scheming against them. Orochimaru is known for his anti-Pain leanings. They have to be worried that Leaf might attack the site with the intent to destroy the rift.

So, actually, I do expect there's a pair of them guarding it there.

That's a problem.

Seems risky and likely lower value than a big alpha strike?
The primary advantage here is that this doesn't make hunting us down the Akatsuki's #1 priority. Like, if they know we stole the rift, I expect they might do things on the scale of sacrificing a major village to Jashin in order to supercharge Hidan's tracking abilities, or getting all members a Scroll and then ordering-at-gunpoint/Sharinganing their Bosses to sack Dog/Pangolin/Arachnid, or such.

We've been able to evade them for now, but that's because they don't care about catching us that much. If they make us their top priority and pull out all the stops, I don't know that we can actually keep hidden.

The rift scar is indoors, in a temple
Wait, what?

No it's not.
Hazō looked around; they were in a small clearing in the woods, maybe forty feet across, with uneven and patchy grass ground. A half-dozen large boulders sat scattered around the edges. The angle of the sun suggested it was midday, and there was no sign of anyone else except for the three of them.
That's the description of Hazou's battle with Daizen. The rift is there, outdoors.

Several Akatsuki have bullshit sensory powers that could foil a heist.
Said bullshit sensory powers also could foil a RE assassination. Also they're not going to be standing/sleeping next to the rift out in the open, they'd be undergound or surveiling from afar or something. We won't even know where to shoot to get them.

I don't expect that RE'ing the rift site would let us kill any Akatsuki membes. Deidara at best. Itachi and Kisame would see us first if they're there, Hidan would probably regenerate, Konan won't be there, Sasori likely isn't there as well (I don't expect that he'd be willing to risk sealing failures near the precious afterlife rift; he'll be testing his seals against some other rift elsewhere (which, by the way, makes the "sealing failure" explanation dead on arrival)).
 
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I know it's probably too late at this point, but I am extremely concerned at the lack of any specified safety precautions around the use of Microrift. If we're researching rift-opener that implies we activated Microrift at least once; I'm fine with that risk if we e.g. have the site at the centre of a inward-pointing fortress and are activating the rune with an Earth Clone, I am not fine with it if we just activate it like any other rune. Not to mention there's no plan on how to get Kagome on board.
 
The Kumokogo/Oro section doesn't specify that we only give Oro the capacity to send a single message. Hoooopefuly the QM's will implement this the safe way rather than letting Oro send us letters/snakes, but such assumptions have burned us before
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I know it's probably too late at this point, but I am extremely concerned at the lack of any specified safety precautions around the use of Microrift. If we're researching rift-opener that implies we activated Microrift at least once; I'm fine with that risk if we e.g. have the site at the centre of a inward-pointing fortress and are activating the rune with an Earth Clone, I am not fine with it if we just activate it like any other rune. Not to mention there's no plan on how to get Kagome on board
I don't have the wordcount here to do that. Hazou already know how to do this (lie to him).

I also don't think a fortress is necessary. Just follow Rift SOP and immediately block it with MEW from the edge of SC range.
 
I don't have the wordcount here to do that.
Here you go:
  • Kumokugo
    • Explain our dilemma about contacting Leaf:
      • If we wait too long, we can't help.
      • If we return too soon, our weapons might prove too weak.
    • Ideally, we'd establish a one-use communication channel with Orochimaru. However, oaths obstruct this.
      • Release her from her oath, have her swear a more specialized one?
      • Leave a dead-drop for Orochimaru where he'll surely see it?
    • If approved, enact the drop. Include Force Dome research notes as payment.
      • Also Hazou's observations on the Great Seal. The Trade Network must stop.
  • Cannai
    • Hazou feels he isn't doing enough for the war.
      • We'll start spending our DoB rest days as a messenger.
      • Hazou was willing to start mass-producing skytowers for the Dogs to use in Leopard. However, we recently made a concerning discovery about the Great Seal. We can't offer skytowers anymore.
      • Hazou offers Force Blades (or other seals) instead. It still isn't something we do lightly, after the horrors of Pangolin conquest.
        • Still, if given as gifts, with no indefinite commitment to supply, we trust you'll use them well.
    • The Leopard war, and your personal battle with Hyōhakken, must demand most of your attention. We do not want to distract you.
      • However, it'd be incredibly useful if we had an S-Ranked combatant willing to fight for us.
      • Hazou can't summon Cannai with his naturalreserves. With Noburi's overcharge, there's a chance.
        • If Cannai agrees, try it on the last DoB rest day of the update.
        • Noburi on standby for treatment.
  • Research

Please use the freed space to put something spicy and opinionated in it that tickles your fancy, now that it's too late for people to switch votes.
 
I don't have the wordcount here to do that. Hazou already know how to do this (lie to him).

I also don't think a fortress is necessary. Just follow Rift SOP and immediately block it with MEW from the edge of SC range.
I suppose the benefits of a fortress aren't that much greater than several metres of solid granite. Still, really, lie to Kagome? How are we going to keep that up when we tell him we researched Rift-opening runes?

In addition to @Noumero 's changes, can I suggest that you add something to the effect of "Kagome: Any additional precautions to suggest?". That a. Makes it clear we're not lying to him and b. gets us the benefit of his insight on what other precautions might be sensible.
 
...Hey @eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped

I realize this is pushing the flavor of it, but since we're unlikely to ever get meaningful use out of it otherwise...

Would Hazou's Defy Death (his bloodline trait) apply to whether the rift is deadly or not?
 
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In addition to @Noumero 's changes, can I suggest that you add something to the effect of "Kagome: Any additional precautions to suggest?". That a. Makes it clear we're not lying to him and b. gets us the benefit of his insight on what other precautions might be sensible.

 
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They probably have a rotation but I expect that Hidan is regularly there to push his cultists around and keep them in line.
Iff that Interlude is true then it sounds like Hidan (and I guess by default Deidara partnering with him) are searching for Hazou

So, actually, I do expect there's a pair of them guarding it there.
Eh we kinda brought this up already in the strategy meeting before we left Leaf, the strategists don't think any of them would stay in one location for so long outside of hidden rain, because it makes them an easier target to be sitting in a predictable location.

That being said, they may be there infrequently and we should still account for the worst-case-scenario chance that they'll be there when we go.
 
Edit: On second thoughts, @Left-Hand Mutant's point that the rift location is likely reinforced now is solid. I recall we'd previously concluded Akatsuki members likely weren't at the rift location, that it was just a bunch of cultists, but consider: they have cause to suspect that Leaf, including Orochimaru, knows, and they definitely know we're out and about scheming against them. Orochimaru is known for his anti-Pain leanings. They have to be worried that Leaf might attack the site with the intent to destroy the rift.

So, actually, I do expect there's a pair of them guarding it there.

That's a problem.
Eh we kinda brought this up already in the strategy meeting before we left Leaf, the strategists don't think any of them would stay in one location for so long outside of hidden rain, because it makes them an easier target to be sitting in a predictable location.

That being said, they may be there infrequently and we should still account for the worst-case-scenario chance that they'll be there when we go.

The QMs have told us that you need direct rift access to do rift research, so that suggests that Sasori is one-site every infusion day, at minimum.
Maybe Sasori is using different rift elsewhere, but my money's on the O'zu rift site. As you say, they clearly understand the need to guard it.

The primary advantage here is that this doesn't make hunting us down the Akatsuki's #1 priority. Like, if they know we stole the rift, I expect they might do things on the scale of sacrificing a major village to Jashin in order to supercharge Hidan's tracking abilities, or getting all members a Scroll and then ordering-at-gunpoint/Sharinganing their Bosses to sack Dog/Pangolin/Arachnid, or such.

We've been able to evade them for now, but that's because they don't care about catching us that much. If they make us their top priority and pull out all the stops, I don't know that we can actually keep hidden.
If we glass the area with a superheater and leave no survivors, that's clearly a sealing failure, not Goketsu Hazou(who Akatsuki think is just a jounin-level graphosealer).

If they do suspect enemy action, the top suspects are "whoever killed Isan" and "the watchers", not "Hazou&friends".

Also they'll be down to just 2 teams, so sparing the manpower for a hunt is expensive. And I don't think Hidan's partner would let him try to exterminate a hidden village even if Hidan's swears it will work. Hidan's crazy and they know it.

That's the description of Hazou's battle with Daizen. The rift is there, outdoors.
Oop, so it was.

Said bullshit sensory powers also could foil a RE assassination. Also they're not going to be standing/sleeping next to the rift out in the open, they'd be undergound or surveiling from afar or something. We won't even know where to shoot to get them.

I don't expect that RE'ing the rift site would let us kill any Akatsuki membes. Deidara at best. Itachi and Kisame would see us first if they're there, Hidan would probably regenerate, Konan won't be there, Sasori likely isn't there as well (I don't expect that he'd be willing to risk sealing failures near the precious afterlife rift; he'll be testing his seals against some other rift elsewhere (which, by the way, makes the "sealing failure" explanation dead on arrival)).
I agree that our current Remote Explosives aren't going to cut it.*

I'd like to open with a superheater rune to turn the air lethaly hot from as great a distance as we can manage. The goal being to outrange Kisami's senses, and not leave Itachi any way to dodge besides 7th path(where he has no way to know when it's safe to leave)

*Stompy's sequence of inventing bigger remote explosives and better targeting is very exciting/promising in general, but looks insufficiently like a sealing failure for the 'yoink' plan, and still allows some risk of dodging/survival.
If Itachi seems an improved RE coming with precognition and dodges to the 7th path, he'll call it an assassination attempt, not a sealing failure.
 
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They probably have a rotation but I expect that Hidan is regularly there to push his cultists around and keep them in line.
HIDAN: 22... 23... Huh.

[his scythe lashes out; one of the cultists falls to the ground]

CULTIST: Why would you do that, Great Prophet?!

HIDAN: Your numbers haven't changed since last time I was here. Where's all the pointless killin'?

CULTIST: But why Brother Tasatsu?

HIDAN: He seemed like the most reasonable, level-headed one.
 
HIDAN: 22... 23... Huh.

[his scythe lashes out; one of the cultists falls to the ground]

CULTIST: Why would you do that, Great Prophet?!

HIDAN: Your numbers haven't changed since last time I was here. Where's all the pointless killin'?

CULTIST: But why Brother Tasatsu?

HIDAN: He seemed like the most reasonable, level-headed one.
Most normal day at work in a Jashinist cult
 
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The QMs have told us that you need direct rift access to do rift research, so that suggests that Sasori is one-site every infusion day, at minimum.
Maybe Sasori is using different rift elsewhere, but my money's on the O'zu rift site. As you say, they clearly understand the need to guard it.
Yeah, you do need one to test on but he has no need to actually do the research there instead of in a lab, and we've seen that on-level research takes literal months for a single seal. Though as I previously understood it you would need access only for the finished product, if you do need it for literally every research infusion then you're right that it's less practical being somewhere else (though he may also be occupied with other projects like replacing his puppet army and healing injured teammates.)
 
Yeah, you do need one to test on but he has no need to actually do the research there instead of in a lab, and we've seen that on-level research takes literal months for a single seal. Though as I previously understood it you would need access only for the finished product, if you do need it for literally every research infusion then you're right that it's less practical being somewhere else (though he may also be occupied with other projects like replacing his puppet army and healing injured teammates.)
You need one for every single research infusion related to a Rift, since you have to test the prototype seals.
 
How did we uhhhh work on those rift seals before we had runes then

We just went and got readings then went home to research, did we not?

I dont think we made anything that required testing with an actual rift, mechanistically speaking?

Contrast this to "Thing that moves rift", where the research process requires you to check if it actually does that. As opposed to "Thing that does X (which we think can be used to mess with a rift because...)" which is different.

Partly its just a result of mechanical abstraction of the research process I think ("Make rune that does X" vs "make seal that does something else (with the intent of X maybe happening)"), but important as a distinction.
 
Once we have Mednin, should we make a No Sleep Rune? We know that we need medical stats to make seals and runes that affect the biology (such as the Sterilization Seal and the Chakra Pool Rune), which are different than bioseals, which use biology as a medium.

With Mednin and Runecrafting, we should be able to make a No Sleep Rune, giving us even more hours per day to do stuff.
 
Once we have Mednin, should we make a No Sleep Rune? We know that we need medical stats to make seals and runes that affect the biology (such as the Sterilization Seal and the Chakra Pool Rune), which are different than bioseals, which use biology as a medium.

With Mednin and Runecrafting, we should be able to make a No Sleep Rune, giving us even more hours per day to do stuff.
Sounds like a decent project for Noburi to look into - after he figures out shadow clone
 
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