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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
HAZŌ: Shinobi are tools.
NOBURI: Looking like a tool today!
HAZŌ: Shut up.
HAKU: ...
ZABUZA: Tools do not speak.
NOBURI: Looking like a tool today!
HAZŌ: Shut up.
HAKU: ...
ZABUZA: Tools do not speak.
- Location
- Texas
Generally includes RRB, CATEARS, and assorted privacy seals/runes until we/Oro feel it's safe for us to go do runic research on our own.
Edit: Oh and finishing force walls for veterancy into force claws.
Seems easier to just set off a couple of Stupid Boxes via MARS.
Strobe seals for a fast combat powerup.
Fire storage seals to work on an amaterasu counter
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Okay, I went in and inserted the charts. Still not as verbose.
Made a second path.
I still prefer waiting until Ath 60/Alt 50 to learn Lightning Element, but I know that there's been debate about learning Lightning Element at Ath50/Alt49.
Both paths will use the same XP, it's just a matter of when we choose to learn Lightning Element, and when certain decisions are made (such as Substitution 30, which comes after Ath 60).
This also doesn't account for if Minatosealing is its own separate stat (as with Primordial Sealing). If the precedent about prereqs from biosealing/lithosealing hold true, we'll find out at THing 30.
Boop.
Another option to consider (in both paths) is to raise Taijutsu to 57 (eff 60) instead of Raising Alertness from 40 -> 50.
Doesn't change the overall plan, overmuch.
Made a second path.
I still prefer waiting until Ath 60/Alt 50 to learn Lightning Element, but I know that there's been debate about learning Lightning Element at Ath50/Alt49.
Both paths will use the same XP, it's just a matter of when we choose to learn Lightning Element, and when certain decisions are made (such as Substitution 30, which comes after Ath 60).
This also doesn't account for if Minatosealing is its own separate stat (as with Primordial Sealing). If the precedent about prereqs from biosealing/lithosealing hold true, we'll find out at THing 30.
Boop.
Another option to consider (in both paths) is to raise Taijutsu to 57 (eff 60) instead of Raising Alertness from 40 -> 50.
Doesn't change the overall plan, overmuch.
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
So I didn't actually know that Substitution is just very fast movement. That's on me of course. I often only skim over rules and jutsu descriptions and this was even more true in the past.
That said, I am quite curious how that works. Like, what path does the object that is being switched with the ninja take? Does it almost crash into the ninja at amazing speeds, narrowly getting diverted? If you have a tunnel or doorway that you fit through exactly, does it mean you can't substitute through it, even if there's an eligible object in line of sight/effect? Does the rushing ninja and the rushing object affect the air at all? Can Substitution be THd in order to create an object attracting jutsu that crashes things into the backs of opponents that are engaged in melee combat with you?
In general "just moves very fast" leaves questions open when it comes to a technique that swaps the places of two objects without involving any awareness or choice regarding the travel path of either object (despite one of them being the caster themselves).
That said, I am quite curious how that works. Like, what path does the object that is being switched with the ninja take? Does it almost crash into the ninja at amazing speeds, narrowly getting diverted? If you have a tunnel or doorway that you fit through exactly, does it mean you can't substitute through it, even if there's an eligible object in line of sight/effect? Does the rushing ninja and the rushing object affect the air at all? Can Substitution be THd in order to create an object attracting jutsu that crashes things into the backs of opponents that are engaged in melee combat with you?
In general "just moves very fast" leaves questions open when it comes to a technique that swaps the places of two objects without involving any awareness or choice regarding the travel path of either object (despite one of them being the caster themselves).
ES is listed multiple times in these pyramids. This also raises my odds that there may be other errors. Would you mind looking over this again?
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Jiraiya's Seal Library
- Location
- USA
Jiraiya's Seal Library
Some starting notes from the QMs before we get into the bulk of things:- Seals are always a lot of work for us because of the extent of the implications they can have on the setting. For many of these, we're accepting that using them appropriately could have pretty big impacts on the setting, and that Jiraiya was simply too secretive/busy/uncreative to use them in such ways.
- However, with the amount of seals we've made, it's highly likely we've overlooked some simple combination of these seals with each other, some combination with common techniques, or some simple variation achievable by sealing research that would be setting-breaking in a way we don't think makes sense. We'll try to resolve these with minor changes, rather than removing the seals altogether.
- We very much appreciate feedback on these seals. Saying "this seems too strong!" or "this seems too weak!" is valid feedback.
- As per usual, difficulty checks specify the seal's difficulty without notes.
- We are likely going to create a few more seals for this library at some later point. We continue to take suggestions for seals to add.
- We're rolling in some seals already posted so that we can provide extra information about them, and also so that everything lives in a single informational threadmark.
Okay, with those preliminaries established…
The Seals
Jiraiya's research notes are scattered, with seals of various difficulty in different places. There's occasional notes in the margins by other people's handwriting. Between Jiraiya's journals, Minato's poetry, and Orochimaru's notes, you can identify all of them.Default: Jiraiya
Red: Hiruzen
Yellow: Minato
Green: Tsunade
Blue: Orochimaru
Purple: Kushina
Flame Absorbance Seal
Difficulty: JiraiyaMovable: No
Components: 10
Duration: 24 hours
(https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Fire_Sealing_Method)
This seal destroys nearby Fire style jutsu by sending out waves of chakra at the right "frequency". Despite appearing like the jutsu are being sucked into the seal, the jutsu constructs are merely being disrupted and dispersed.
Sensei, this is a very irritating seal. Apart from the way it ████████ ████████ ██ ███████ ████ ██████, its proliferation also would disproportionately harm Leaf. Please do not use it in the field, if possible.
Yeah, I know what you mean. It messes with my ████ ███████ ████ too. Still, better to have in the back pocket, you know?
Lightning Absorbance Seal
Difficulty: JiraiyaMovable: No
Components: 10
Duration: 24 hours
Like the Flame Absorbance Seal, but with Lightning-style ninjutsu instead.
Lightning Rod Seal
Difficulty: JōninMovable: Yes
Components: 1
Duration: 1 minute
Diverts incoming Lightning-style ninjutsu to the seal. Typically, this destroys the seal.
Fuck the Hyūga Seal
Difficulty: ChūninMovable: Yes
Components: 1
Duration: 1 hour
Makes an invisible chakra construct, apparently in the shape of an obscene gesture.
A little juvenile, don't you think?
I can't believe you spent time researching this.
Vanishing Seal
Difficulty: JōninMovable: No
Components: 2
Duration: 1 hour
Makes an attached object disappear, along with the seal. After a while, the object reappears.
Turned out to be easier to just do it with dimensionalism, go figure.
Ah, I am glad you found a solution in the end.
Mechanically: The seal wraps space around itself and the attached object, generating a storage space. Time does not pass inside the space but the space itself unwinds over time as 'spatial elasticity' pulls reality back to normal, at which point the object and the seal reappear. (NB: This is single use, as are all seals unless specified otherwise.)
Twin Repulsion Seals
Difficulty: ChūninMovable: Yes
Components: 2
Duration: 10 minutes
Paired seals that push away from each other. The strength of the push is stronger when they are closer. If attached to an object, the force of the push is evenly distributed across the object.
Silent Sandals Seal
Difficulty: ChūninMovable: Yes
Components: 4 (2 on each foot)
Duration: 1 hour
Like Banshee Slayers. Enhances Stealth when used on feet.
These were surprisingly helpful in the Inazuma mission.
Hah, I told you. You owe me a drink.
Tiptoeing Seal
Difficulty: GeninMovable: No
Components: 1
Duration: A few minutes
Random patches of earth near the seal vibrate slightly, as if someone is quietly walking nearby.
Air Stilling Seal
Difficulty: ChūninMovable: No
Components: 1
Duration: 1 hour
Makes the air around the seal very still. It becomes harder to breathe, and scents and sounds don't travel well at all.
You really are trying to make a seal that will piss off every single clan in Leaf, aren't you?
(Game mechanic notes: These are in the same family as Banshee Slayers and Silent Sandals, so veterancy bonuses apply.)
Warming Seal
Difficulty: GeninMovable: Yes
Components: 1
Duration: 1 hour
Warms an attached object to a pleasant temperature for eating. There's a maximum affectable volume and mass.
Cooling Seal
Difficulty: GeninMovable: Yes
Components: 1
Duration: 1 hour
Cools an attached object to a pleasant temperature for relieving summer overheating. There's a maximum affectable volume and mass.
Tunneling Seal
Difficulty: JōninMovable: Yes
Components: 1
Duration: Instant
Stores a cylinder of earth in front of the seal. Much like Tunnel Excavation.
An inadequate substitute for the ninjutsu, Jiraiya. There are some things for which sealing is the wrong discipline.
Update: this seal has some very bad failure modes. As in, sealing failure modes. Don't use in the field until further testing. In retrospect, the instability in the third-order Tatewaki cycle should have been a giveaway.
Electrocution Seal
Difficulty: ChūninMovable: Yes
Components: 1
Duration: A few minutes
Releases a surge of Lightning energy into an attached object.
Soft-lock Seal
Difficulty: ChūninMovable: Yes
Components: 3
Duration: 1 hour
Affix to an object. Object's inertia dramatically increases – harder to move, falls slower, etc.
Clamping Seal
Difficulty: ChūninMovable: Yes
Components: 2
Duration: 1 hour
Two elements lock together strongly when triggered, as well as to attached objects.
Locking Seal
Difficulty: ChūninMovable: Yes
Components: 2
Duration: 1 hour
Paired seals that attach to two objects. Putting the faces of the seals together locks them together – the objects become rigid and gain some damage resistance, especially around the seals, and the seals cannot be separated by force.
Unlocking Seal
Difficulty: ChūninMovable: Yes
Components: 1
Duration: Instant
Unlocks Locking Seals within a foot.
That was hilarious.
Yeah, yeah. I didn't think it through, okay?
Lock-and-Key Seal
Difficulty: JōninMovable: Yes
Components: 3
Duration: A few hours
Locking Seal, except there is a third seal element that can be affixed to either object. Activating the third seal unlocks the Locking Seal.
Lock-and-Key Seal That Actually Keeps People Out This Time
Difficulty: JōninMovable: Yes
Components: 3
Duration: A few hours
Lock-and-Key Seal, except the third seal can only be activated by the person that infused the seal.
Secure Messaging Seal
Difficulty: JōninMovable: Yes
Components: 3
Duration: 12 hours
Lock-and-Key Seal That Actually Keeps People Out This Time, except the third seal can be "primed" by anyone activating it once, upon infusion. The third seal can then unlock the locking pair if activated either by the infuser, or the one that primed the seal.
Really Secure Messaging Seal
Difficulty: JōninMovable: Yes
Components: 3
Duration: 24 hours
Secure Messaging Seal, except all three seals explode if someone with the wrong chakra tries to activate it, or if someone tries to force the locking pair apart.
Secret-Keeping Seal
Difficulty: JōninMovable: Yes
Components: 1
Duration: 24 hours
Attaches to another seal. When any creature with chakra that isn't the person that infused the seal touches this seal or the attached seal, both seals burn out and turn to ash.
Substitution Seal
Difficulty: GeninMovable: Yes
Components: 1
Duration: 1 hour
Swaps two objects (and their momentums). Has mass/distance limits, among other restrictions.
I'm surprised this is so easy. Any theories why?
Leadening Seal
Difficulty: ChūninMovable: Yes
Components: 1
Duration: 1 hour
Makes an attached object heavier.
I can't quite figure out why it's easier to do it this way than the reverse.
Instant Darkness Dome Seal
Difficulty: ChūninMovable: No
Components: 2
Duration: 24 hours
Creates a sphere of absolute darkness around the seal.
Selective Darkness Dome Seal
Difficulty: JōninMovable: No
Components: 4
Duration: 24 hours
Creates a shell around the user: light cannot exit that shell, making it look dark, but the user can see out as light can still enter.
I suppose this proves what you were saying, Oro, that eyes see light by absorbing it and not by emitting it.
Yellow Flash My Ass Seal
Difficulty: JiraiyaMovable: Yes
Components: 1
Duration: 1 minute
Prevents use of Flying Thunder God in a radius around the seal.
Is it truly necessary for this to exist, sensei?
I concur. Setting aside the waste of time researching this seal, its mere existence confers ways of defeating a currently unbeatable weapon to Leaf's enemies.
Look, I'm pissed enough that my perfect 66-0 record over the kid got broken. I'll destroy the notes once I'm done proving my dominance.
[QM Note: Jiraiya's notes on this seal do not provide a starting point for reverse-engineering the Flying Thunder God technique. No, not even if you are a technique hacker as well as a sealmaster.]
Dog Seal
Difficulty: ChūninMovable: Yes
Components: 1
Duration: Instantaneous
Apply a substance to the seal. The seal reorients to face the direction with the largest concentration of that substance in the air in a radius around it.
This was not very useful, and led me astray more often than not. I do not think this is an adequate substitute for an Inuzuka tracker.
Good.
Force Pulse Seal
Difficulty: JōninMovable: Yes
Components: 1
Duration: Instantaneous
Creates an omnidirectional pulse of force, centered on the seal, that pushes things away. Strongest at ground zero, not forceful enough to cause harm beyond a firm shove, mostly useful for diverting ranged attacks.
Invisibility Detection Seal
Difficulty: JōninMovable: No
Components: 3
Duration: 1 hour
Makes nearby chakra glow. There will be a soft ambient glow everywhere and otherwise-invisible chakra constructs become visible.
Charming. The Sakamoto Clan has always been irritating. Shall we make a weekend of it?
I could be convinced, Oro. If we could take some live samples, I think there's a lot we could learn.
Come speak with me.
Earth Pillar Seal
Difficulty: GeninMovable: No
Components: 1
Duration: Instantaneous
Causes a chakra-construct stone pillar to rise out of the ground in front of the seal.
City of Pillars Seal
Difficulty: GeninMovable: No
Components: 1
Duration: Instantaneous
Causes many stone pillars to rise out of the ground near the seal – they have varying heights, radii, and locations. For some reason, they all have either the kanji for 'Dream' or 'Sunshine' on them.
What exactly is this supposed to mean?
Nothing, it was just something I was reading.
Jiraiya's Instant Fortress Seal
Difficulty: ChūninMovable: Yes
Components: 4
Duration: 12 hours
Raises four chakra-construct stone walls around the perimeter of the square defined by the four seal elements. The square cannot have a face longer than 30 meters. Each wall is three meters high and one meter thick. The stone walls are decorated with images of Jiraiya's face and the faces of various Toads. Both man and Toads are making faces–frowning, sticking their tongues out, etc.
Earth Bullet Seal
Difficulty: GeninMovable: Yes
Components: 1
Duration: Instantaneous
Causes the nearest patch of earth to launch out of the ground in a fixed direction.
Tracking Earth Bullet Seal
Difficulty: ChūninMovable: Yes
Components: 1
Duration: Instantaneous
Causes the nearest patch of earth to launch out of the ground. It accelerates towards the nearest chakra source that is not the infuser of the seal for a few seconds after launching. Unfortunately, the seal only affects dirt and the force holding it together is insufficient to make the impact harmful. It's more of a prank than a weapon.
I don't suppose that the notes tell us what kind of effect they're preventing from taking place? Does Hazou have any idea what this seal does other than the name?
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
May want to specify that the "pulse of force" is subject to things like gravity, friction, and whatnot.
I can think of some interesting things to do with pure force manipulation...
- Location
- United States
Well, Noburi is going to want a supply of these isn't he?
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- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Opsec suggestions for when we go missing:
Observation:
Force Push Seals + tripwire-triggered seals + Orochimaru's illusion seals = hecking nice traps to push people into, especially if used in conjunction with decoys and more blatant traps.
- Decoy sealing facility? Maybe one of those prefabs we sell? Set it up so that it's trapped and whatnot. Might catch a hunter nin off guard, we might get lucky. It'll warn us they're here, and give us time to prep for combat (steal and loot their corpses for powerups).
- Orochimaru's Illusion Seals: From a distance, they won't see us, and we'll blend into the background of the environment (especially if we're up on a skytower or something)
- Selective Darkness Zone Seals: once the illusion is pierced, they see only void, while we see them just fine
- Flame and Lightning Absorbers out. Covers 2/5 of the Elemental Spectrum, and no one uses Fire or Lightning attack ninjutsu.
- Will need to test if they absorb ninjutsu buffs, like Strength of the Storm
- Earthshaping a Mud Hut to disguise the base in the environment, under all the layers of dirt.
- Substitution targets and whatnot, hidden under more of Orochimaru's illusion seals for if we're ambushed
- Escape tunnels for further escape routes
- Pressure Activated Force Push Seals into tripwire seals
- Standard MEW + tripwire seals
- chakdar + Invisibility Detection Seals during watch
Observation:
Force Push Seals + tripwire-triggered seals + Orochimaru's illusion seals = hecking nice traps to push people into, especially if used in conjunction with decoys and more blatant traps.
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We likely won't have had time to research most of these seals. Sealing Research takes a long time and we are quite backlogged.
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
Blerg. Yeah. Still, a hoe can hope.
Threnodist
occupying Haudenosaunee & Osage land she/her/hers
- Location
- Pittsburgh
I think these three have the most use as anti-Akatsuki & anti-Dragon (A2/AD) rune weapons given the multiplicative effect of runes.
The Substitution Seal/Rune to set up ambushes from long-ranges by swapping distant foes with a selected object in the middle of a trap array.
The Leadening Seal/Rune to keep people locked down. Especially if we can define the area tightly enough that we're not necessarily effected while still being able to deal damage. Would also be generally useful in the trap setup described above.
The Tracking Earth Bullet Seal/Rune as essentially long-range semi-guided artillery. The "nearest chakra source" clause might make friendly-fire an issue and it could be more directly useful if it tracked towards the LARGEST chakra source in the area, because then we could get them to rain down on say, Kisame, who has a shark-butt's worth of chakra in his coils! (note: might not be a good anti-dragon weapon if their beings are naturally repellant to chakra)
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- She/Her/They/Them
I love that you go the extra mile and implement old scientific theories of our world as (recently) old scientific theories in this one
Oh this is BRILLIANT
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As Paper discussed on Discord tonight. In general, seals that affect objects (like Sub seals, storage seals, 5SB, etc. ) need to be used on discrete objects, with no chakra. This means no living things, no people, and no seals.
So you can't swap your enemies around with Sub seals.
You can't even Sub-seal in a rock with 50 explosive tags on it. Since the tags attached to the rock have chakra in them.
You can't chain Sub seals at all, since you need to put a bunch of elements on one object to chain and the elements can't work if the object has seals on it.
Unclear if runes have this limitation, but it's also unclear if this is remotely workable into a rune given runic drag.
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- Earth
How about a more mundane use for substitution rune: either bulk cargo transport or discrete communications.
I would love teleport pads, but I think the things are one use.
Actually, no explosive seals, but maybe it's time to research mundane explosives?
I would love teleport pads, but I think the things are one use.
Actually, no explosive seals, but maybe it's time to research mundane explosives?
Okay everyone. We need to invent dragonsealing. Dragons don't use chakra. Dragons are probably External so making dragon matter interfact with the Out should be doable. Dragonseals will be discrete objects that don't contain chakra. We can make normal seals and them affect each other as "objects" just fine.