Cariyaga
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We'll have trouble getting enough material, I think... but we can solve that by destroying the Great Seal.
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Sweet!
off the cuff thoughts.
(disclaimer: slightly drunk and largely unedited)
Well, this goes really fucking hard. total immunity to fire jutsu in the affected area. Given that uplift contains zero fire users, that's pretty nice.
The billion-ryo question is "does it mess with Ameterasu?". the redacted sections are really good news for this, it looks like it unexpectedly also interferes with some other techniques that aren't strictly fire jutsu. Given just how fire-like Amaterasu acts, and our lack of other options, we urgently need to research this in the next few months.
The brutal drawback is "Non-moveable 10-element array", which means it's relegate to being a static defence. we can't wear as part of our CHAOS suit/MARS stack, which is tragic.
Actually, this array might just be a genin difficulty rune or whatever. we should check.
NNNNNiiiice.
Logical extension of the above. I assume this is harder to do for the more physical elements, which is why we only have these two.
Big question: does it disrupt internal buff techniques? Because Hazou (and a lot of our team) is gonna be using SotS.
if it doesn't apply to buffs, or if we can make a version that ignores the infuser's chakra or whatever, this(along with the fire-eater) turns on SotS+PEA and lets Hazou kick so. much. ass.
that's one or two Jiraia-tier sealing projects, one to learn this, possilby another for a buff/infuser exception. but the end result gives Hazou one hell of an S-rank combat kit on home turf. if only it were mobile.
we should also check if the runic version is actually super-easy.
again, relegated to static defence only hurts me so badly.
Neither of these seals seem setting-breaking, despite being very strong. Jaraiya knew that if either of them leaked, some else would engineer the anti-fire seals and badly hurt leaf.
Perfection. I'd recently proposed similar. the fatal flaw with the above seals it that they are stationary arrays. this is something we can carry with us anywhere.
I'm.... guessing that having the seal active on our person is a bad idea. If we make a fast way to scatter these over the battlefield(MARS + puffer DEs on our CHAOS suit to scatter and activate stacks of them?), it would save effort on the lightning absorbance seal(and possible upgrade version). still leaves us vulnerable to lightning-melee like chidori.
Between the fire-eater and this, I'm convinced we should probably refactor Hazou's build to heavily feature PEA. we'll probably want to invent a AOE fire-weakening/temperature equalizing seal to pair with it for mobile use.
We could also maybe make Raiton-grounding seals to pair these with, and strap the pairs all over our CHAOS suit.
On consideration, this doesn't seem egregiously setting-breaking.
the 2-component array is confusing. is one of the seals left behind? I assume not, because that's basically a storage seal with an extra-long release timer.
This is fun and clever, I can think of lots of little tricks, but none of them are strong enough to be worth centrally planning around. still, it gives fun options. If Hazou had enough time to grow his sealing horde, this would be a fun tool to add to the toolbox. kudos to whoever concepted this.
It also hits the spot of "strong interesting seal with ambiguous use case that isn't a game changer" making it a perfect stocking-stuffer for an S-rank sealing horde.
I haven't spent the effort to really evaluate this one.
Makes sense. redundant Banshee Slayers.
In proud Naruto tradition, Uplift are incredibly loud ninja. We don't need this.
Better to spend our research on "combat stealth" options of blowing out every eardrum in a few hundred meters and searing the retinas of anyone who dares to look our way. That'll stop people from seeing/hearing our team.
Cute. makes sense as a seal for genin who sometime sneaks around to make. I'd slightly like to have it in our toolbox if we were doing regular missions, but it probably isn't worth the research day it would take to yeet it out. maybe we could time-ladder faster? but that's sketchy AF and not worth it.
(although in a FTD-based campaign I run, we recently had a character trying to complete research mid-combat. the other players tried to buy time and repel boarders, which was just ridiculously tense and fun.)
nice stealth tool, wrong party.
If not for the low-ish duration and "hard to breathe" thing, a large array of this would be a good static concealment tool to complement Oro's stealth seals.
....wait, fuck this seal, but stale air is super useful to us. several atatsuki members need to breathe, and we have breathing-mask seals. make a massive AOE rune out of this and deliberately burn away all the oxygen. keep our facility airtight and bring in stored air from the 7th path or use air purifier seals.
looks fine. I can see why baby J-man would have invented this for the team with all the nights in the field. it's cute to see seals from throughout his history all jumbled together here.
looks fine. same as above.
because each worm/bug you try to seal risks a sealing failure? or is there more going on?
nice callback to how Jiraiya used to want to use elemental seals instead of learning all five elements.
checks out.
This also make it hard to stop something once it gets up to speed. Jiraiya didn't have skywalkers for long, and might not have thought of it, but this could probably make for a horrific kinetic drop weapon.
I'll leave the number-crunch to some other handsome threadgoer, but Chunin difficulty isn't terribly expensive for Hazou to learn. we should learn this.
ahh, I really like the storytelling involved here, on multiple levels.
The last one is a good seal, but we don't really need it. our extensive 7th path acess cover for a lot, and we're about to go rogue anyway.
ahhhhg.
tempting. but why not pull them apart with tongs or something? if someone captures us, they will have so many seals to tinker with to find a workaround.
Still, we should learn this when we reinvent Harashin. don't want those seals walking away.
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kinetic. drop. weapon.
We can weaponize this so hard, along with the inertia seals.
I assume that this dosen't block sharingan's chakra-vision, which probably isn't light-based. it's still a good defense for our eventual sealing-fortress. I really want a version with a hollow but ultra-thick shell, so that attackers have to run our runic minefeild while totaly blind.
there's some advantage to learning this one soon. It means we can test it(and variations) agaist sasuke's sharingan before we go missing.
Again, we might be better served by making this a rune.
or learn blind-fighting and wear a portable version into combat. whatever.
useless, but it estblishes that making a seal turn to face something is fairly easy. remember this.
neat trick, not sure if we'll have time to reasharch it.
then again, this might be really useful against Konan.
ahhh, a good reminder that Tsunade was the one who taught little Oro how to vivisect.
can't think through the seal use implication clearly RN, other than to say I really wish it were mobile. we could put it around out own fort, but then it reveals our own seals/traps. seems damned hard to use.
I don't get the point of these, but they were genin projects, so whatevs.
still see young Jiraiya trying to use seals instead of learn elements.
walls mean nothing to ninja, and less so now that skaywalkers exist.
could be a chakra-effeciant way to make a temporay barrier, for floods or whatever, I guess?
just seems ill-thought-out, tbh. WTF did he spend his time on this? why would he have though it was useful?
meh!
Now this is exciteing!
forget the lame payload. selective chakra-homeing as a genin diffeculty effect. this is vetreancy for our fleet of MARS-activated Force-Shuriken-equiped rocket-boosted homeing killer pebble-missiles
Promising! lightning-rod is super good for hazou. fire-absorbtion is probably an Ameterasu counter! given the weird fixation on static arrayes, we're probably better off replicateing most of these efects as runes instead of learning them as seals. this still gives us a lot of good ideas to draw from for our own research, which is very value bale. Also, we might be able to do a turbocharged rods-from-God with a pair of chunin seals, so that's nice.
post-chunin Jaraiya dosen't seem to think seals are a combat tool, and instead is doing spymaster/stealth/static defence stuff with them. Makes sense, as he has 5 elements worth of jutsu and S-rank combat skills to rely on there.
Weird that the only "Jariaya tier" seals he made we the two element-absorbers. What happened to the spacetime-combat seals that were badass enough to use in combat against Sasori?
Despite having more than a decade of being an S-rank sealmaster on us, nothing here seems as outright useful as MARS/RRB. This scrub needs to get on our level.
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So, combining some of those effects... how about an "autoturret" rune which, when activated, picks up a man-sized mass of loose soil and accelerates it toward the nearest chakra source other than the infuser or their substitution-attuned allies, then - if and when said pile of dirt makes contact with said chakra source - swaps the dirt with a small iron pellet from a hopper atop the rune, centered on the contact point, preserving momentum?
Hundred pounds of dirt going 10 m/s, barely enough to intercept a mobile ninja at all, has the same total momentum as an ounce of metal at orbital velocity. If the 99.8% cap from the substitution technique applies, maximum 500-fold speedup still ought to be more than enough to turn a prank-level diffuse impact into an armor-piercing bullet.
Hundred pounds of dirt going 10 m/s, barely enough to intercept a mobile ninja at all, has the same total momentum as an ounce of metal at orbital velocity. If the 99.8% cap from the substitution technique applies, maximum 500-fold speedup still ought to be more than enough to turn a prank-level diffuse impact into an armor-piercing bullet.
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- Book Fort
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Assuming a base rate of 3xp per day (not account for QM Had Fun XP or Brevity XP), Kei's daily XP formula looks like...
(3+(3*1.7))*0.8 = a daily rate of 6.48xp
It's going to cost 360xp to raise Cloak of the Wind Gods to 30.
So (360cost-48pooled)/6.48rate means it's going to take 48.15 days.
Since we're still a few months out from finishing our THing training, Kei should be able to learn CotWG 30 before we leave Leaf. If we can get her base rate to 4xp through brevity or QM Fun, then Kei will definitely be able to learn it before we leave.
(3+(3*1.7))*0.8 = a daily rate of 6.48xp
It's going to cost 360xp to raise Cloak of the Wind Gods to 30.
So (360cost-48pooled)/6.48rate means it's going to take 48.15 days.
Since we're still a few months out from finishing our THing training, Kei should be able to learn CotWG 30 before we leave Leaf. If we can get her base rate to 4xp through brevity or QM Fun, then Kei will definitely be able to learn it before we leave.
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Alas, only if she unstagnates. Otherwise that .8 will keep dropping lower
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Doesn't it only drop every 500xp, when the next barrier hits? Stacking barriers reduces XP accrual?
(Disclaimer: super duper drowsy, coffee hasn't hit yet. Made the post last night and forgot to hit post)
Post-coffee Edit: oh, right, it decreases every 100xp until the barrier is broken. Rip.
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Not until he researches it he doesn't.
We have no clue what you mean by this, but safe to assume that it will work in the least headachey way possible for the QMs.
I'm unsure if this is the best thing for her build atm. After she unstagnates, presumably at CotWG 20, she might need to keep grinding Deceit to 40 to keep up with her leadership domain.
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That reminds me... how the frick are we going to have Kei unstagnate her Leadership domain in the wild? Is she going to be our new leader? Are we starting a cult?
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She might lose it with no one to lead.
Maybe she can lead Yuno
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[x] Kei the Dauntless, Leader of the LGBTQ community, Triumvirate Member of KEI, Pangolin Summoner, and Darling of the Eldritch Gods Painting This Fic... starts a cult.
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Have you heard of the Good Word of the kittensphere? No? Then, would you mind if I went inside and tell you about the good news of Nara Kei? I'm sure you'll find the message of the kittensphere liberating and freeing, especially in this fallen world where the Good Word has yet to spread to the entire word.
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Not that Deceit is a bad build choice generally but is "Deceit" really the best match for "Leadership" or would it be better to buy one of Intimidation/Presence/Empathy for her instead
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Given her role as journeyman Lore-Forbidder, deceit is probably the most important skill she can get right now. As a Master-Artisan Lore-Forbidder she will have plenty of access to authority related aspects to enhance her intimidation/presence.
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Maybe she should switch domains from leadership to lore forbidder then
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Nah she's still learning at that, unlike a certain Nara clan head...
She's like Minato level potential in that domain tho.
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HAZOU: Kei knock it off you're being annoying
KEI, INNOCENTLY: But Hazou I am merely trying to unstagnate
Movable when inactive, though, right? So we can carry an inactive one, then open combat against a fire user by throwing it down and using MARS to activate the whole array at once.
Setting up a 10-element array around the battlefield is presumably both slow the place(several rounds) and obvious(they'll decide to wreck one of the seals)
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Would it be possible for you to add the Anti-Byakugan seal to this as well? It would be quite helpful.
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Well somehow Jiraiya used it in spars with Hiruzen
I guess it depends if the array has to be set up at the centre or perimeter of the affected space.
TH the following jutsu?
Earth Element:Underground Array
Drags ten small objects away underground in a fixed pattern(the relitive positions required for elemental-absorbtion arrays). radius=effect zones.
That'd let us set up as a standard,while keeping the seals hidden/protected, then activate as a free action with catears+mars.
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@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Regarding the Fire Eater seal, do the notes say how close/far the 10 elements need to be from each other? Would it give us an indication of how long it takes to activate/set up or if we can carry the assembled array around?
Mass of runic substrate
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PSA: Runic substrate and storage seals
Hazō has 483 'points' of runic substrate as of chapter 643. Explosive runes cost 1 (puffer) / 5 (half-strength) / 25 (full-strength) points.
1 point of substrate weighs roughly 2.5 kg, meaning that you can put 40 points of substrate in a storage seal.
Hazō has 483 'points' of runic substrate as of chapter 643. Explosive runes cost 1 (puffer) / 5 (half-strength) / 25 (full-strength) points.
1 point of substrate weighs roughly 2.5 kg, meaning that you can put 40 points of substrate in a storage seal.