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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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strange_person said:
I'd want it to cover the full width of any given load-bearing element whenever reasonably possible, just to make sure a pillar doesn't, say, pivot around that rope as part of buckling in a collapse. Leaving the reinforcement seals inactive most of the time makes sense, though - just bury movement-activated MARS triggers inside sub-basement walls, each linked to the 5SB or alarm system directly above it and to the next detector clockwise around the perimeter.
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Amatur architect says that an immovable rope should be enough for most buildings, if you design with that in mind.
The hokage tower might be a different story, but that's because it's height/weigh would take a different setup to avoid the pillar breaking on when pressed against a narrower "foundation". Maybe just set up ropes on every story?

Mind we can't actually do any of this, because it would destroy MARS OpSec.
Loseing ~exclusive MARS access would weaken us, and if counter-seals are invented it could be fatal.
 
_The_Bomb said:
I don't imagine that would have an additory effect. Now, having a dozen seals spread out around a small room all going off in the confined space at once….
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Ooh, some sort of pinwheel seal which spins and throws out a bunch of seals all around itself, and then activates them on a set timer would be amazing for both capture or kill tactics.
 
RoadWild said:
Ooh, some sort of pinwheel seal which spins and throws out a bunch of seals all around itself, and then activates them on a set timer would be amazing for both capture or kill tactics.
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We could make this with just the seals in jiraiya's horde. Repulsion, Dog, and substitution. It'd take a research project or two to make them mesh cohesively tho


Also on that note, we could totally use dog seals and repulsion seals to make sealtech computers. Each bit has like 4 moving parts and relies on fluid dynamics so is super hard to scale... but yeah. It'd be super easy to build a little binary gadget that can respond to a program head
 
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RandomOTP said:
Hm. You know... if we want to make the boost to Chakdar higher in v3, we could add a sort of IFF that filters out allies based on their chakra signatures? Thus removing some of the excess noise, and allowing you to concentrate on more relevant readings?

It might be that the allies have to be present at the time of the seals infusion, so that the seal can register their chakra signatures, but it seems viable enough?
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I think the veterancy for this would be good for other projects but I don't think it improves chakdar much - when a fight breaks out the enemy is just boosting constantly so you don't get much more information. Ignoring boost doesn't seem like it would increase the bonus either. The only way I see us getting bigger bonuses out of chakdar is gleaning even more info from the environment. I'm not sure it's something we can meaningfully do with just paper seals, though it is one of the first things I'd like to look into with Minatosealing (or sealhacking or whatever less confusing name we go with)

Integrating chakdar into our chakra system directly may let us get a local impression of chakra signatures directly ingrained in our own chakra system, like an extra sense. A chakra-radar if you will :V
 
Left-Hand Mutant said:
Loseing ~exclusive MARS access would weaken us, and if counter-seals are invented it could be fatal.
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Paperclipped said:
Mari shrugged. "It's a thing I wanted to mention to you. I'm really here because you wanted to buy seals from the Tower."

"Yes," Hazō said. "During the Neck mission, MARS proved invaluable for mass use of seals in combat. If anything, we didn't have enough seals. The other Leaf sealmasters definitely have combat seals we could use. Adding them to the MARS chains could multiply our combat strength. Gaku mentioned that the Tower officials stonewalled him. Did you have any success?"

"Sort of. I managed to speak with Sarutobi Fumi, the senior Sarutobi sealmaster."

"Yes, I'm familiar," Hazō said. "She was one of the more… moderating influences when we were trying to decipher the Great Seal replica."

"Sure," Mari said, turning her finger in a circle to move on. "Well, she does the Tower's seal stuff. Apparently, Asuma thinks you're slacking on skywalkers. She's happy to send the list of seals for sale if you learn skywalkers, demonstrate you can make them, and start paying the tax of a hundred per month. I think they really want to replenish their strategic reserve after the war burned through it."
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RandomOTP said:
Hm. You know... if we want to make the boost to Chakdar higher in v3, we could add a sort of IFF that filters out allies based on their chakra signatures? Thus removing some of the excess noise, and allowing you to concentrate on more relevant readings?

It might be that the allies have to be present at the time of the seals infusion, so that the seal can register their chakra signatures, but it seems viable enough?
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The good news is we have plenty of examples of this in Jiraiya's lock seal series and his tracking earth bullet
 
RoadWild said:
Ooh, some sort of pinwheel seal which spins and throws out a bunch of seals all around itself, and then activates them on a set timer would be amazing for both capture or kill tactics.
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Puffer "explosives", and maybe a thin barrier between the puffer and the stack of seals we want it to toss like confetti.

I also want to test this for combination with lightning-rod seals.
 
Left-Hand Mutant said:
Puffer "explosives", and maybe a thin barrier between the puffer and the stack of seals we want it to toss like confetti.
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I was thinking it could be accomplished with a variant of Macerators, stripping out the shredding component and instead throwing the stored seals out really fast. Of course, the problem is then finding a way to infuse the seals, and setting them off, so I think your idea is more practical.
 
RoadWild said:
I was thinking it could be accomplished with a variant of Macerators, stripping out the shredding component and instead throwing the stored seals out really fast. Of course, the problem is then finding a way to infuse the seals, and setting them off, so I think your idea is more practical.
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Thanks.
Also, infused seals have chakra, and thus can't be put in storage seals(including macerators)
 
RoadWild said:
I was thinking it could be accomplished with a variant of Macerators, stripping out the shredding component and instead throwing the stored seals out really fast. Of course, the problem is then finding a way to infuse the seals, and setting them off, so I think your idea is more practical.
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Hmmm a jutsu to Infuse paper seals.... hmmmmmm
 
RoadWild said:
Yeah? My idea was to store the blanks in the hacked macerator, and then figure out some method to remotely infuse the blanks after they were thrown, as a sort of cluster bomb seal. Unfortunately, I don't think figuring out a way to remotely infuse is possible at all.
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No no no keep cooking, that totally sounds like something within the bounds of minatosealing. Just gotta figure out a mechanism for it!

Sensory jutsu would ?probably? Be a good starting point? Earthshaping seems obvious because we already use it to infuse stuff.

Oh Hai skyshaping
 
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OliWhail said:
Friend I don't know what American history books you've been looking through but under no honest reading was the Trail of Tears meant to benefit native people.
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Just because most of history is taught by left-leaning academics who prefer to emphasis how bad it was etc, and lecture people on about how no moral-self righteous person could ever believe X, doesn't make it true? Just because people of the past don't hold our modern day sensibilities, it doesn't mean people weren't doing things, they at the time, considered to be right, even if we would today consider it evil.

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"Andrew Jackson's defense. "Humanity has often wept over the fate of the aborigines of this country and philanthropy has long been busily employed in devising means to avert it, but its progress never has for a moment been arrested, and one by one have many powerful tribes disappeared from the earth... But true philanthropy reconciles the mind to these vicissitudes as it does to the extinction of one generation to make room for another... In the monuments and fortresses of an unknown people, spread over the extensive regions of the West, we behold the memorials of a once powerful race, which was exterminated or has disappeared to make room for the existing savage tribes… Philanthropy could not wish to see this continent restored to the condition in which it was found by our forefathers. What good man would prefer a country covered with forests and ranged by a few thousand savages to our extensive Republic, studded with cities, towns, and prosperous farms, embellished with all the improvements which art can devise or industry execute, occupied by more than 12,000,000 happy people, and filled with all the blessings of liberty, civilization, and religion."

According to historian H. W. Brands, Jackson sincerely believed that his population transfer was a "wise and humane policy" that would save the Native Americans from "utter annihilation". Jackson portrayed the removal as a generous act of mercy."
 
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Twinnstars said:
Hmmm a jutsu to Infuse paper seals.... hmmmmmm
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Sounds like something Konan might have.

Shrooms said:
I think the veterancy for this would be good for other projects but I don't think it improves chakdar much - when a fight breaks out the enemy is just boosting constantly so you don't get much more information. Ignoring boost doesn't seem like it would increase the bonus either. The only way I see us getting bigger bonuses out of chakdar is gleaning even more info from the environment. I'm not sure it's something we can meaningfully do with just paper seals, though it is one of the first things I'd like to look into with Minatosealing (or sealhacking or whatever less confusing name we go with)
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I still think we could get better directionality off them with paper seals


I'm guessing "doesn't target the infuser" is usually easy-ish, but more flexible IFF that lets you designate arbitrary allies is probably quite hard.
 
CitizenTen said:
Just because most of history is taught by left-leaning academics who prefer to emphasis how bad it was etc, and lecture people on about how no moral-self righteous person could ever believe X, doesn't make it true?
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This isn't really the place for this, can we not? Or at least kick it to their DMs?

Meatspace/IRL has been crazy the past several weeks, so I don't currently have the kind of spoons to engage with these sorts of discussions.
 
Left-Hand Mutant said:
Amateur architect says that an immovable rope should be enough for most buildings, if you design with that in mind.
The hokage tower might be a different story, but that's because it's height/weigh would take a different setup to avoid the pillar breaking on when pressed against a narrower "foundation". Maybe just set up ropes on every story?

Mind we can't actually do any of this, because it would destroy MARS OpSec.
Losing ~exclusive MARS access would weaken us, and if counter-seals are invented it could be fatal.
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That only rules out the panic button. Can still use conventional 5s seal for structural stability, it's only a matter of how many places can be kept safe for a reasonable upkeep of seals. As a QM limit I propose only 4 story or less timber buildings. Or possibly specific panic rooms inside larger complexes.

I also propose a seal that causes any paper in contact with it to be destroyed when it is exposed to light. In a way that is safe for destroying seals. Pretty useless for combat except specifically against that one paper justu master who happens to be part of a group we all want to kill.
But very very good for maintaining seal OPSEC.

Think about it. Take any seal you want, paste it together with a paper dissolving seal and coat them both in some kind of paint. I'm sure you can find a kind of paint that does not affect the sealing ink. Or maybe just put a layer of wax over the seal first. Then activate the PDS so that as soon as it contacts light (or maybe air?) it will trigger.

Honestly very obvious way to maintain seal opsec, so I'm assuming there was a good reason ninja did not already do this. A paint covered seal is not much more weighty. Maybe an issue activating two contacting seals? But this could be fixed by as a first step binding MARS with PDS to allow precision activation.
 
Left-Hand Mutant said:
we can't actually do any of this, because it would destroy MARS OpSec.
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Cheap trick would be to just write 'em on black paper.
More sustainable approach, which doesn't leave Hazo as a single point of failure, would be to invent a variant 5SB with motion-sensor, alarm, and MARS-like crosslink triggers thoroughly integrated into the support seals, using SSA to make it all more efficient while obfuscating the possibility of those functions being disentangled.
Hazo's anti-Collapse Kit Seal ("HACKS") might even leverage experience with runic drag and chakdar to incorporate a deliberately oversensitive motion detector, which lesser sealmasters would assume can't be made usefully portable, since transporting it at a normal walking pace while readied causes overload and (reasonably harmless) self-destruct.
 
strange_person said:
Cheap trick would be to just write 'em on black paper.
More sustainable approach, which doesn't leave Hazo as a single point of failure, would be to invent a variant 5SB with motion-sensor, alarm, and MARS-like crosslink triggers thoroughly integrated into the support seals, using SSA to make it all more efficient while obfuscating the possibility of those functions being disentangled.
Hazo's anti-Collapse Kit Seal ("HACKS") might even leverage experience with runic drag and chakdar to incorporate a deliberately oversensitive motion detector, which lesser sealmasters would assume can't be made usefully portable, since transporting it at a normal walking pace while readied causes overload and (reasonably harmless) self-destruct.
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As a person who just finished reading the entirety of 600+ chapters, I'm pretty sure black paper was explicitly attempted before.

OHHH.

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