No because literally every other summoner was able to send an emissary to pangolin territory. Cannai is frankly being an ass and we should call him out on it.
This is now the second time one of your plans has cost us the friendship and alliance of an S-Ranker who is also a genuinely good person. I already have been wary of your style of planmaking since we lost Naruto, but now I'm confident: I do not expect to ever support any plan of yours again, because I do not think I can trust you to not accidentally cost us yet another friend and ally.
I know you weren't the only person who voted for the plan, and I do allocate some of the blame to those who failed to notice the problem (myself included), but you're the one whose plans keep causing these problems, and I don't need to pin 100% of the blame on you to know that I can't trust plans penned by your hand.
I mean no offense, I do not consider you a bad person for this, but all the same I cannot let this happen a third time.
No because literally every other summoner was able to send an emissary to pangolin territory. Cannai is frankly being an ass and we should call him out on it.
i think a big part of the issue, in addition to the sending-dogs-to-go-awol thing, is that someone mentioned in discord that cannai previously gave us orders to keep cantelope and cantilever apart. going thru with this plan to send them together to Pangolin territory as emissaries together serves the double purpose of giving them orders to leave Dog territory without his prior clearance, and also directly subverts his authority by ignoring what he's previously said. it's like if, after asuma told us not to mess with the Hags anymore, we ignored his orders and tried to economically cripple them again. obviously not a 1:1 comparison but it's similar; we subverted cannai's authority as Dog boss by ignoring a standing order & that is why cannai's mad at us
This week was unusual in that we agreed to let y'all write an Ami plan which @Velorien would write and then link to a plan for me to write that would cover the non-Ami stuff. The Ami plan starts off with "(After Ami, follow this plan.)" and links to @Oneiros 's plan, which I wrote.
First line of the plan say to use another plan in case of EJ not doing the Ami scene, which is pretty much what was agreed with Vel doing it instead, the plan also won second place in the voting so...
Before you decide to drag me you do realize that this was the last plan that was written by paper plus a plan snippet for talking to the dogs? Cause it's not super fun to be called out as incompetent for something I didn't write
All plan makers who made a votable plan are responsible for the plan quality and outcome. All voters are supposed to be responsible for a plan's quality they voted for. We are supposed to work together make a plan successful and/or not screw us over.
It is also a fact that you admit that you were unapolgetic for the outcome by blaming Cannai. It is our job to take into account how actors may respond to our actions.
I won't vote for any oneiros plan now or into the future, except for preexisting obligation.
Don't even think it's name. This goes beyond even a cognitohazard.
A cognitohazard poses a danger when sensed. This can be via any of the classical senses: sight, sound, hearing, taste, or touch. As the FAQ explains, this isn't necessarily only mind-affecting. SCP-740 (The Hindenburg Photograph) is a perfect example of a cognitohazard.
A memetic agent is "infectious information", knowledge that triggers anomalous behavior or effects. By nature, all memetic agents are cognitohazards; you have to sense something to learn new information. SCP-571 (Self-Propagating Infecious Pattern) is a definitive memetic agent.
An infohazard, as coined by Sorts, is something that is triggered if you simply know about it. It is similar to but distinct from a memetic agent because a memetic agent is pure information whereas an infohazard is generally an object. SCP-426 (I Am A Toaster) is a perfect example of this.
Besides, he had what he needed. For days now, he had pored over the image of the Great Seal that he held stored in the Iron Nerve. He had traced its every curve, reviewed the angles and twists and thicknesses, all in a desperate attempt to seize the key insight that would let him understand what was going wrong and how to fix it. Yesterday's meditations had brought a hint of terror to the back of his mind, leaving him no choice but to return to the Seventh Path and once more infiltrate the butte atop which rested one of the Sage's greatest works. He had swum through the mundanity of the sandstone, running his hands slowly and carefully along the smooth and unfamiliar mineral that comprised the Seal.
As he had feared: There were tiny cracks all through the bottom.
A few things here. We now have gone over the entire Great Seal (including seeing it from above through a shadow clone) and have seen the entire thing. If only we had done this a few weeks earlier. We could simply have told Orochimaru that we had gone back and examined it and that's why we knew so much. No instant memorization needed. Wait, why didn't we do that in the first place? This isn't the first time we've been back to the Great Seal.
More importantly, we now know the physical cause (or at least the physical manifestation) of the Great Seal's weakening. We should upgrade our chakrameters and then see if the cracks are outputting chakra or allowing it to seep in from the outside.
We should also start working with the other sealmaster to determine what purpose the cracked areas serve.
A few questions that Hazō should know:
Are that cracks along the lowest portion of the Great Seal or along the bottom part of every bit of the stone?
Is any of the stone cracked off completely? Even a small piece would be great to bring back and analyze.
Guess this answers whether they were still together. Also, have we been interacting with Cantelope offscreen a lot? We haven't spent more then a scene or two with him to my recollection.
Hazō gave her a grumbingly betrayed glare but snorted in amusement. "I'll be clear up front: This suggestion has a heavy dose of self-interest in it, which I'll explain in a second.
A basso cough from behind him made Hazō jerk around, eyes going wide as his reflexes readied him for an attack.
"Oh, Cannai," he said in relief. "I didn't see you there."
"I am aware. A word, Summoner? Cantelope, Cantilever: Stay here. I'll want to discuss this with you in a moment." The massive Dog turned and strode away across the prairie, Hazō following alongside.
They had gone twenty yards before Hazō noticed the silence.
Cannai was...solid would be the closest word in human speech. Hazō was only now realizing that, every moment he had spent with Cannai, there had been a sense of the mighty dog's presence. It was like the presence of the earth beneath your feet: So prevalent that you didn't think about it, but always there. Solid, deep, bearing you up and loaning you its strength, its touch carefully gentled so as not to harm the fragile creatures that walked across its surface. That presence was gone. Hazō could feel nothing from the Alpha of the Dog Clan.
"Sir?"
"Just a bit farther, Summoner. I wish privacy."
Hazō swallowed nervously and kept his mouth shut.
They traveled for ten minutes before Cannai stopped and turned to face Hazō.
"You will not meddle in the politics of this Path without speaking to me. You will especially never again go behind my tail in an attempt to send my pack to foreign nations."
Hazō's heart stopped, just for a moment, as he realized the magnitude of what he had done. "Sir, no, I didn't mean—"
"Be silent. I accepted you as our Summoner and I granted you permission to contract with anyone who wished to join you. I agreed to allow Canun to teach your clan member our jutsu. I sought out jutsu from the list you provided in hopes that we could have a good-faith exchange once Asuma decided what he was willing to offer."
A cold grip of fear around Hazō heart reminded him that he had never actually spoken to Asuma about that.
"I welcomed you into the Dog Clan and treated you as a pack member, and you have betrayed me. I will not remove you as Summoner in the heat of the moment, but you are no longer welcome on the Seventh Path. If I cannot trust you not to preempt my authority as Alpha then I cannot trust you to relay sensitive messages for us and I certainly cannot trust you to be working on something as powerful as the Great Seal—if it even exists, which I now must question since you are the only source of my knowledge about it. Go back to your Path. Attempt to summon Cantertot each day; eventually, after I am no longer quite so angry, I will allow the summoning to succeed. At that point you may return here and you and I will have words."
"Sir—"
"We will have words in the future. I have none for you now. Get out of my Territory."
Dammit. I was right. Uck, I should have followed up with the QMs re: Cantelope and Canilever after not hearing back the first time.
This seems to be largely about the Pangolin embassy project (as opposed to them going together), but that probably would have come up had we talked to Cannai about this in advance.. Uck
Ok, lesson learned. Keep checking if it's time sensitive.
Note, this occured on "January 30, 1070 AS," I'm not sure we will be allowed back on the Seventh Path before our Consequences heal. I really hope that the Conclave can verify the DragonWar situation and bring news to Cannai. We really need to go back to the path.
Shit. We're going to have to tell Asuma about this. He might take the Dog Scroll from us if this persists. This is an absolute disaster.
(Cannai did see us get horrifically injured. A point in favor of the Great Seal)
Oh hey, big time-skip. We are really close to consequences healing. Less than one week away! I wonder if Cannai is cooled down even slightly. We will have to write a good apology plan. Great. (Also, even if we go tell Asuma about this in our next plan it will still have been a massive time gap. That's.....that's a little frustrating. He probably won't be surprised that we commited treason again (and even if its not to him, this will drastically reduce his trust in us even setting aside the combat capabilites loss) and he'll be very mad that we didn't tell him right away.)
@eaglejarl@Velorien I'd like to reiterate my question since I think it has impact on how we are going to want to apologize. Was Cantelope forbidden from meeting with Cantilever? Hazō was at the not-trial and should know all the details.
"Your venture appears to have been far more enjoyable than ours," Akane said, smiling in a way that did not show any of the pain she must be feeling from her right arm, which was immobilized across her chest while it healed. The smile looked grotesque under the massive shiner that had swollen her right eye closed; the medics had been working on it and the healing was accelerated, so it was in its full yellow-and-green glory after only 24 hours. "You escaped with military intelligence and top-quality brandy—"
"And a pair of solid-gold heirloom serving forks," Mari noted, smiling.
"—and a pair of solid-gold heirloom serving forks," Akane acknowledged, "whereas Yuno and I...well."
"Oh?" Hazō asked. "What happened? I thought you guys were doing great."
"The previous two missions were nothing," Yuno said. She stroked Satsuko's hilt, because of course the axe was leaning against her chair in easy reach. "Boring patrols. The three of us work well together. This one..." Her eyes drifted off into memory.
"We ran into a Cloud jōnin in the northeast corner of Fire," Akane explained. She shifted slightly and then bit her lip to keep from crying out as her arm almost visibly stabbed pain through her.
"Bad?" Mari asked.
Akane nodded. "It was so close. If Yuno hadn't been there..."
"And Satsuko! We would have been lost without Satsuko."
"Yes, but it didn't hit you," Akane reminded, nudging her patrol partner. "You dodged it." She looked around the table. "She dodged actual lightning. It was amazing. There was a seal on the woman's belt, and it was throwing lightning everywhere, and Yuno slid across the floor under all of it and practically chopped this woman's leg off with the most youthful strike I've ever seen!"
"If I had hit, certainly," Akane said, not letting her teammate dress it up. "I promise you all, I did my very best. I used the strongest Flame Aura I could manage, and the Mythological Beast That Is Really Strong And Tough, and the Banshee seals, and my narrow-angle blast rings—" She glanced over at Kagome-sensei. "I couldn't use the wide-angle ones without hurting Yuno." Kagome accepted that with a grumble and Akane continued. "I used all of that, and the Strobelight seal, and even my Rocket Boots."
"What happened?" Noburi asked, eyes shining like a child at bedtime story hour.
Akane grimaced. "She stepped effortlessly aside, wrapped the whip of her chakram around me, and slammed me into the floor. It dislocated my shoulder, micro-fractured my arm, and bruised my face. Fortunately, she realized that Yuno was the real threat so she didn't take the time to finish me."
Reminder that even with all her buffs and our seals helping her, Akane isn't nearly a match for a jōnin ambush. This is why I am so strongly advocating for the Survivable Sealmaster build in Hazō. Jōnin-ambushes are almost a gaurenteed Game Over until we get those specific stats.
"Anyway, we were up in Rock on a search and destroy. Basically, go from here to here"—he sketched an arc across the table with his finger—"and kill everyone you meet. Burn the farms, poison the wells. Cause as much damage as you can." His lips twisted. "Apparently, it's all about 'breaking the enemy's will to fight' and that means killing as many civilians as possible."
Other than being way too big it was a decent plan; the individual pieces of it were well written and clear (except for that training one mentioned above) and you did a great job picking things that I would have enjoyed writing.
XP AWARD: 3
Brevity XP: 1
"GM had fun" XP: -5
-5 (As I've said before, every scene over 3 is -1 XP)
Is it "we incur a -1 point malus to our 'GM had fun XP' for every scene over 3" or "our 'GM had fun XP' is reset to 0 if a plan is over 3 scenes and then a malus is applied for each scene we go over?"
I will say I pretty strongly agree with Kiba's post - it's on all of us to check plans, and if anything it's power to the planwriters for wrangling plans out of the nonsense. Oneiros, unfortunately, wrote the Naruto plan and (tangentially) this plan, but no one caught this error over the course of two whole voting cycles, and (the Naruto plan had a whole host of other issues that brought that about)
Which is to say this is very clearly not Oneiros (or anyone in particular's) fault. I'll note that I did not vote this cycle, and while I read the plan fairly thoroughly both cycles, didn't find anything egregious about this. If y'all want to use this plan as an indicator of planmaking doubt on Oneiros, I guess that's your prerogative, but it should also be noted that Oneiros has been a key planmaker for plans that have gone really well (including one recently that I'm blanking on that was a huge win for us).
"And thus Marked for Death ended in fire because we ignored a situation between two peoples turned hostile/bumbled down political stairs as we had blindfolded ourselves."
What lead up to the dog plan? Was not asking Cannai's permission a genuine oversight or did he already speak out against it, making going behind his back essentially the centerpiece of the plan?
Edit: Judging from the surrounding comments it seems like the former. And I definitely wouldn't have caught it either. I really hate when these kinds of momentary oversights mostly borne out of not actually living in a world like that have these table flipping consequences. Like, all this slow and steady build-up and then the largest conflicts and setbacks come from missing something that Hazou knows better than any player. Sucks.
Ah, whatever. I have no right to talk. I wasn't that much of a participant in the good ol' days and now all I do is read a chapter and throw in a random comment occasionally.
What lead up to the dog plan? Was not asking Cannai's permission a genuine oversight or did he already speak out against it, making going behind his back essentially the centerpiece of the plan?
Welp. I think this is my cue to stop popping in for votes and go back to pure lurking. I like to think I keep on the updates, if not the discussion, but this outcome is so far off my expectations that my model must be fundamentally broken. I don't have the IRL time to fix it. Sorry for the screw-up, everyone.
Welp. I think this is my cue to stop popping in for votes and go back to pure lurking. I like to think I keep on the updates, if not the discussion, but this outcome is so far off my expectations that my model must be fundamentally broken. I don't have the IRL time to fix it. Sorry for the screw-up, everyone.
