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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Pugman said:
    urrrrg, the "No Body, No Death" BS needs to DIE!
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    I'm not sure who specifically this is about, but it's a pretty universal trope for a reason. The only reason a writer needs to bring someone back to life is 'I want them to come back', and not showing a body after someone supposedly dies is a pretty good way of covering your bases to make death ambiguous.
     
    Parabola said:
    I'm not sure who specifically this is about, but it's a pretty universal trope for a reason. The only reason a writer needs to bring someone back to life is 'I want them to come back', and not showing a body after someone supposedly dies is a pretty good way of covering your bases to make death ambiguous.
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    Phoenix Night, despite being a good reviewer, is basically like "There is no body and there was no confirmation, so Hazel might not be dead."
    And he also supports the theory that Roman Torchwick is alive. And it just boggles my mind that we have clear deaths of characters that have played their part and yet without seeing an actual corpse and/or someone outright saying "They Dead" that that means the character is alive.
    Hazel, despite having Salem between him and the Magic Nuke, is still very clearly dead. Given that he was in the direct line of fire AND the visual of Emerald looking at dust from the blast in her hands and sadly saying "Hazel....?" And Roman Torchwick we all saw get eaten alive by a Griffon and even Cinder when confronted by Neo said "I didn't kill your boss."
    So really, there is ZERO reason to believe these guys are alive.
    Not to mention RWBY has not really been ambiguous with death outside of Summer's Fate. Everyone else either stays dead or return to our screen within an episode or 2. I mean it didn't take us many episodes into volume 6 to see that Cinder survived her icy plummet after her fight with Raven.
     
    Pugman said:
    Phoenix Night, despite being a good reviewer, is basically like "There is no body and there was no confirmation, so Hazel might not be dead."
    And he also supports the theory that Roman Torchwick is alive. And it just boggles my mind that we have clear deaths of characters that have played their part and yet without seeing an actual corpse and/or someone outright saying "They Dead" that that means the character is alive.
    Hazel, despite having Salem between him and the Magic Nuke, is still very clearly dead. Given that he was in the direct line of fire AND the visual of Emerald looking at dust from the blast in her hands and sadly saying "Hazel....?" And Roman Torchwick we all saw get eaten alive by a Griffon and even Cinder when confronted by Neo said "I didn't kill your boss."
    So really, there is ZERO reason to believe these guys are alive.
    Not to mention RWBY has not really been ambiguous with death outside of Summer's Fate. Everyone else either stays dead or return to our screen within an episode or 2. I mean it didn't take us many episodes into volume 6 to see that Cinder survived her icy plummet after her fight with Raven.
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    I don't know anything about that reviewer, but you're mostly right. Mostly, because... Penny did die and came back after three volumes of absence. Then again, if you can expect someone to come back to life even when there was a body, it would be the android person, right?

    The only way I can imagine Hazel isn't dead is that Salem tried to teleport away and accidentally took Hazel with her, but... it's way too long a shot. You might as well speculate Roman or Adam will come back as Grimmified corpses.
     
    Don't worry guys I know where Hazel's body is!

    Right next to Pyrrha's, inside our lungs.
     
    Carrnage said:
    Pretty sure hazel or his body might still be wrapped around salem's body
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    Nah, Salem got vaporised. It dulled the blast JUST enough that Hazel survived! As a projectile. Without any aura. Ohhh that's a mountain - *splat*

    CatOnTheWeb said:
    Don't worry guys I know where Hazel's body is!

    Right next to Pyrrha's, inside our lungs.
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    There will always be a part of him with Emerald, watching over her like the brother she never had... at least until she washes her clothes to get the ash out.
     
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    Zam said:
    Powerless:
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    Since Salem's forces are out of commission, I can see him ordering an all-out assault against Mantle to take back Penny at any cost, at which point we'll see how many of his army refuse to obey that order or outright desert to Mantle because that's a line they won't cross and/or they too come from Mantle damnit!
    Which will be when Ironwood's final breakdown will happen.
     
    ElMariachi said:
    Since Salem's forces are out of commission, I can see him ordering an all-out assault against Mantle to take back Penny at any cost, at which point we'll see how many of his army refuse to obey that order or outright desert to Mantle because that's a line they won't cross and/or they too come from Mantle damnit!
    Which will be when Ironwood's final breakdown will happen.
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    We've seen it in Marrow and Winter, we've seen it in Elm to a lesser extent, and this episode, we saw it in generic underlings. The army no longer has confidence in it's general. Now if they'd get on with removing him from command, like they damn well should have done last volume, that'd be great!
     
    Zam said:
    James Ironwood is an example of a veteran with PTSD that was never given the care and support he needed.
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    Doesn't track. What trauma could he possibly know? The man's lived a charmed life by any reasonable standard. He's acting not out of trauma, but rather immense entitlement.
     
    Zimmerwald1915 said:
    Doesn't track. What trauma could he possibly know? The man's lived a charmed life by any reasonable standard. He's acting not out of trauma, but rather immense entitlement.
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    Not to jump to Jimbo's defense but he's been traumatized since before Beacon. He tells Yang after the whole Mercury incident that "sometimes you think you see things, even after the battle is passed" and he could not be more clearly talking about himself. He's never been in a war but he has obviously seen combat, and something, possibly the injuries he sustained that cost him his arm, leg, and half of his torso, has left him paranoid, reckless, and most definitely in need of treatment. Dude's always been traumatized, Beacon just made it worse.
     
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    Zimmerwald1915 said:
    Doesn't track. What trauma could he possibly know? The man's lived a charmed life by any reasonable standard. He's acting not out of trauma, but rather immense entitlement.
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    Going by the extensive prosthetics, his skill in combat and him being familiar with hallucinations in battle, I think it's fair to say he's seen his share of action even before V3, and it hasn't left him untouched. And it's even worse after V3 : he did his best during the Fall but part of his army ended up becoming a liability, he lost three battleships, Ozpin was killed, and he almost died. Add to this the near-total lack of support (which is admittedly partially self-imposed), and you've got a badly damaged guy with little hope for healing. That's not to say every problem Ironwood has is outside of his control of course, but it's not just a question of entitlement.

    Edit : double ninja'd.
     
    I just saw a comment about Oz, Long Memory, and Kevin
    Basically if Ozpin did not have to worry about a Maiden problem during The Fall than chances are he could of dealt with The Wyvern Grimm on his own.
    So it got me to imagine, Oz has his Cane as he waits atop his tower. Kevin flies in, lands on it, and screeches in his face. Ozpin, unphased, activates Long Memory.
    "Get. Off. My. Tower." and just BLASTS the grimm's head off and it topples over, and the scene just makes EVERYONE stop to look.
    We know from WoR that The Last King of Vale took to the field himself in the final battles and just tore it up.
    Just imagine how all sides would feel if they see such a massive blast erupt, kills the biggest grim most have ever seen, and they look up, and standing atop the tower, defiant, is Professor FREKIN Ozpin.
    Bow to The King (even if he doesn't want you to).
     
    Pugman said:
    I just saw a comment about Oz, Long Memory, and Kevin
    Basically if Ozpin did not have to worry about a Maiden problem during The Fall than chances are he could of dealt with The Wyvern Grimm on his own.
    So it got me to imagine, Oz has his Cane as he waits atop his tower. Kevin flies in, lands on it, and screeches in his face. Ozpin, unphased, activates Long Memory.
    "Get. Off. My. Tower." and just BLASTS the grimm's head off and it topples over, and the scene just makes EVERYONE stop to look.
    We know from WoR that The Last King of Vale took to the field himself in the final battles and just tore it up.
    Just imagine how all sides would feel if they see such a massive blast erupt, kills the biggest grim most have ever seen, and they look up, and standing atop the tower, defiant, is Professor FREKIN Ozpin.
    Bow to The King (even if he doesn't want you to).
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    Considering how Cinder was only able to find the Maiden by following Ozpin, he kinda fucked up by not priortizing the Grimm army, thus removing one third of the invasion force.
     
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