RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

kokuenDG · May 1, 2022

so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

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Jaytjones · Nov 3, 2022

Hey, because the fan fiction section is a little dead right now, I wanted to show this here as well

"While it is true that Ruby Rose is one of the most effective and deadly, grimm hunters
Turning the foul beasts into a a fine mist with her meat grinder of attacks. And often called by the news
The next great "grimm reaper"

( translation, using the most useless of weapons, the scythe!

and turning it into one of the most deadliest of weapons in existence against the grim adding on to it wearing gothic death aesthetics)

That is not her only weapon. Far from it, Miss Rose was a weapons fanatic for a reason crafting and building her own whenever inspiration struck.
We "The Vale huntress gossip &news Corp" have contacted her And these are our findings

Peduncle a pistol

Used for close range that was practice for her magnificent crescent rose for recoil, It is often easier to hide. And used as a last resort option.

Forged perseonaly herself At signal, Mis Rose named the pistol after the stem that supports rose flower.

Leaflet & stipule,
Ms. Rose's backup close range weapons

Triple changing weapon
a rarity in this world
They were two weapons twin weapons, with three transformation.

hammers---- sickles ---hatchets
The cromsion red blade portion both elegantly etched with roses & thorns designs
While the handles are mix of wood and steel and rubber.

The practical: close range combat with humans and faunas that ruby dosent want to kill
hammer: for the forge
Hatchet :chop trees chop fire wood
Sickle: cuting crops trapping blades
They could be chains together in a nunchako fashion

The bladed hatchet and sickles were name Leaflet
as to the blade of a leaf

the hammer was named stipule the small leaflike appendage attached to the leaf. typically borne in pairs at the base of the leaf stalk.

"Let it be said a good pun of a weapon kit is always part of the fun." A quote from Miss Rose in an interview

Finally RoseT horn :A Omni tool with modular tool can switch into a knife or even a large enough dag her,

We don't know much about this weapon. This one is her secretive one and we could only assume what madness and horrors and horrifically, horrible, strange oddities this weapon has. Is it poisoned? Does it has magic? Is there a vibrating function like her sisters arm? And will my wife love it more than me?

Please all these will be answered maybe after these advertisements..... "

(Ruby's notes
esentaly a Swiss army knife with other practical capabilities
can hold a laser tool for welding.
(at its strongest and its it's weakest a simple laser pointer.)
Multiple types of wrenches, hand screwdrivers, lock pickers
All of them can be swapped for different pieces depending on the situation.
Small enough to be put in her pocket

"And We are back"
Excellent

Now you say this is your new weapon. Might ask what is it called

I don't know It's a pocket picnic basket.

But it doesn't fit in your pocket

No it can hold this ( Ruby proceeds a mechanic's desk. And then to add insult to industry and dimensional physics
She then jiggled the basket and an outpour of cog's gears, hammers screws grease and whatever tiny project she had....

Matrix Dragon · Nov 3, 2022

Swindlen is so an enemy type that steals things.

GuestLurker · Nov 3, 2022

Pugman said:
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Technically she wasn't in Atlas itself for that one though.

Psyga315 said:
There's also the fact that both Salem and Ruby tricked a Deity into saving a loved one, Salem by not bringing up she went to the God of Light first to the God of Darkness and Ruby by essentially loopholing Penny's humanity into existence.

Penny had plenty of humanity on the inside, she just talked Ambrosius into using his talents in a new way to bring it to the surface and he loved it. Salem dealt with a couple of pompous abusive assholes who think they are owed unexplained obedience, though she wasn't quite as good at her diplomacy rolls either.

Jaytjones said:
Peduncle a pistol

Used for close range that was practice for her magnificent crescent rose for recoil, It is often easier to hide. And used as a last resort option.

Forged perseonaly herself At signal, Mis Rose named the pistol after the stem that supports rose flower.

Is that a pun from her uncle helping her with her first design?

Jaytjones said:
"Let it be said a good pun of a weapon kit is always part of the fun." A quote from Miss Rose in an interview

It is a family thing, isn't it.

Matrix Dragon said:
Swindlen is so an enemy type that steals things.

Probably used to piss people off to get more Grimm to show up.

Jaytjones · Nov 3, 2022

GuestLurker said:
Is that a pun from her uncle helping her with her first design?

Actually no it was supposed to be, the final line of defense and her first creation.

View: https://aburameshin.tumblr.com/post/187923876370/embed

I got the idea of her having a pistol from a fanfic That did involve qrow help making it and training her but the naming convention was my own thing.
And yes, that is the actual name.

GuestLurker said:
It is a family thing, isn't it.

Pugman · Nov 4, 2022

GuestLurker said:
Penny had plenty of humanity on the inside, she just talked Ambrosius into using his talents in a new way to bring it to the surface and he loved it. Salem dealt with a couple of pompous abusive assholes who think they are owed unexplained obedience, though she wasn't quite as good at her diplomacy rolls either.

Don't recall the Gods demanding obedience. >.> Salem (and Cinder) are the ones who have told others to obey.
Are the Gods jerks who ended up abusing their power and have shit people skills? Yes.

GuestLurker · Nov 4, 2022

Pugman said:
Don't recall the Gods demanding obedience. >.> Salem (and Cinder) are the ones who have told others to obey.

Salem: Can you do this?
Light Brother: No.
Salem: But why?
Light Brother: Because there is an order to things.
Salem: But why?
Light Brother: Because I said so, stop being rude and go away.

Salem: Can you do this?
Dark Brother: You asked? That's a first. Sure.
Light Brother: We said we wouldn't.
Dark Brother: She asked me.
Light Brother: She asked me first and I said no.
Dark Brother: Fine.
Light Brother: I'm punishing you for tricking us by asking multiple times. No seeing the one guy you wanted to not be dead by making you never die.

Humans: We want better treatment, like no death because we have proof death is optional.
Gods: No, how dare you challenge us when you can do literally nothing to us. *Everyone but Salem dies*

Obedience may not have been the most accurate word for it, but it does feel like it applies to the situation.

Zam · Nov 4, 2022

GuestLurker said:
Obedience may not have been the most accurate word for it, but it does feel like it applies to the situation.

The gods don't seem to want their test subjects to have any real agency outside of themselves, hence 'diminishing' them by leaving, and demanding they meet an impossible standard and also never ask for anything before the gods will come back.

As an aside, I saw a neat theory that the gods played themselves by making Salem immortal cos the the Darks pool has seemingly dried up and yet Salem can now basically just conjure waves of it for her own use. Thus the pools may actually be beyond the gods themselves in some way, that is to say independent of the gods, and that Salem was not meant to be so immortal that she'd survive a gods wrath.

I think there's some potential holes in the theory but I do think its interesting.

Pugman · Nov 4, 2022

GuestLurker said:
Salem: Can you do this?
Light Brother: No.
Salem: But why?
Light Brother: Because there is an order to things.
Salem: But why?
Light Brother: Because I said so, stop being rude and go away.

Salem: Can you do this?
Dark Brother: You asked? That's a first. Sure.
Light Brother: We said we wouldn't.
Dark Brother: She asked me.
Light Brother: She asked me first and I said no.
Dark Brother: Fine.
Light Brother: I'm punishing you for tricking us by asking multiple times. No seeing the one guy you wanted to not be dead by making you never die.

Humans: We want better treatment, like no death because we have proof death is optional.
Gods: No, how dare you challenge us when you can do literally nothing to us. *Everyone but Salem dies*

Obedience may not have been the most accurate word for it, but it does feel like it applies to the situation.

Light was trying to explain, but Salem screamed over him about it being unfair, so Light light firmly told her to let Ozma rest and gently parked her outside his space.
Dark was going to give Salem what she wanted just because he thought someone finally came to him first instead of Light. He thought that for once someone picked him. Then Light explained that, no, he was not asked first and was reminded of what he and Light had agreed on, so he "corrected" his error by putting Ozma back in the afterlife. Salem did not like this, started screaming again, and was readying to attack them, so Light grabs her, dunks her in his pool, and now Salem has basically eternity in time out to calm down and think on things. She proceeds raise an army instead.
I don't recall The People actually asking anything of the Gods. Instead they march onto Light's yard, the brothers show up in dragon form asking what is going on, Salem shows her face, the brothers recognize her, and then the army tries to shoot Dark. Dark is not amused that they just tried to hit him with the very thing he helped gift them in the first place and proceeds to Extinction the planet.
Later Light decides to go to Ozma and by the end Ozma has swiftly agreed to what Light asks of him before the God is even done explaining things (because Salem is not in the afterlife waiting for him). Light then explains that he is leaving on Remnant the 4 Relics, and to bring them together when he feels Humanity is ready and openly warns him that if things aren't good then there will be no other chances and everything gets wiped out.
So not once do either brother ask or demand for obedience. Heck I doubt either of them see the need to. If anything they seemed to just stick to their respective pools and heard out the pleas of those who came before them.
As for death being "optional", just imagine what would happen if word got out in the Old World that the Gods could and would restore to life any lost loved one? The brothers would never hear the end of it. And what of the resources? Suddenly you have a population that never goes down. "Just ask the Gods to make more resources" and this is where the balance becomes really askewed. This is now far more creation than destruction. Light wants to maintain balance because I doubt he wants to risk getting into another slapfight with his brother Dark. Not to mention if they fight then Humanity would get caught in the crossfire anyway.

Death sucks, but like any story the Ending eventually comes.

Zam · Nov 4, 2022

I'm not doing this again, I refuse to get drawn into this circular argument again, here have RWBY Smash Bros:

View: https://sillytorch.tumblr.com/post/697138258431344640/sillytorch-rwby-super-smash-bros-ultimate-mod-by

GuestLurker · Nov 4, 2022

Pugman said:
Light was trying to explain, but Salem screamed over him about it being unfair, so Light light firmly told her to let Ozma rest and gently parked her outside his space.

He didn't explain why though. If he actually cared to explain he would have instead of just telling her to drop it for being rude.

Pugman said:
As for death being "optional", just imagine what would happen if word got out in the Old World that the Gods could and would restore to life any lost loved one? The brothers would never hear the end of it. And what of the resources? Suddenly you have a population that never goes down. "Just ask the Gods to make more resources" and this is where the balance becomes really askewed. This is now far more creation than destruction. Light wants to maintain balance because I doubt he wants to risk getting into another slapfight with his brother Dark. Not to mention if they fight then Humanity would get caught in the crossfire anyway.

They never explain that though, they just expect people to understand that without actually giving a reason, even if they decide not to explain because someone interrupted.

Pugman said:
Death sucks, but like any story the Ending eventually comes.

Then sit people down and explain that instead of getting offended when they do something that the gods should know can not actually hurt them in any way.

Guess you could add being lazy about their power or explaining things so people understand what they're supposed to mean to their flaws.

Pugman · Nov 4, 2022

GuestLurker said:
He didn't explain why though. If he actually cared to explain he would have instead of just telling her to drop it for being rude.

They never explain that though, they just expect people to understand that without actually giving a reason, even if they decide not to explain because someone interrupted.

Then sit people down and explain that instead of getting offended when they do something that the gods should know can not actually hurt them in any way.

Guess you could add being lazy about their power or explaining things so people understand what they're supposed to mean to their flaws.

So you are asking Light to have the patience of a saint?
GL have you dealt with cranky and confrontational customers before?
Sometimes even if you sit a person down and try to explain things to them that does not mean they will listen.
Usually when you try to calmly tell people No and the reason for the No and the instead scream over you that is a sign they are not the kind of person willing to listen at the moment.

anyway

Rabbit

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLZqrSAQk6c

Psyga315 · Nov 4, 2022

GuestLurker said:
Humans: We want better treatment, like no death because we have proof death is optional.
Gods: No, how dare you challenge us when you can do literally nothing to us. *Everyone but Salem dies*

Gods: Who could have predicted such a tragedy!? Let us fuck off to a different experiment and fuck with that for a bit.

{some time later}

God of Light: So, you know how we totally fucked with you and yo-yo'd you between life and death?
Ozma: Yeah?
God of Light: Want me to do a double standard and bring you back from the dead so you can prepare humanity for the literally impossible task of uniting a squabbling world together so that we may judge them to our incredibly strict standards and if they do not comply with our utopia we will nuke them?
Ozma: Um...
God of Light: Bt-dubs, your wife is back but-
Ozma: FUCK YEAH! {travels over there}
God of Darkness: Hey, did you tell him about the part where created the Problem of Evil and his greatest obstacle to that judgement thingy you made?
God of Light: No, no, it'll be funnier if we watch humanity suffer with his fuckups.

Zam · Nov 4, 2022

(Covers eyes) "Ignore it, ignore it, ignore it!"
Anyway:

Jaytjones · Nov 4, 2022

Hey, you know how son is supposed to be based off of the ancient sun wukong The monkey King

This is a simple fanfic idea.

Basically it makes sun Not inspired by but actually is the monkey King.

I'm saying have him be as ancient as fucking Salem and Ozpin

Born from a fucking rock egg
4 times immortal minimum.

Multiple transformations. Etc
He was on his way with tripitaka and his colleagues.
And then the "gods decided to take away magic.

Here's the thing though. The brothers are not all powerful. Sorry it's really good. They took a large chunk of magic. But basically depleted the resources of the various magic spirits mystical beings

Not even the local water demons could survive.

But being four times immortal kind of screws you over in a long term
Now we got a depressed loner who can't even achieve his goal because the divine heavens lost all of their power.

And thus the depression spiral for the monkey King spirals ever free

GuestLurker · Nov 4, 2022

Pugman said:
So you are asking Light to have the patience of a saint?

I'm asking that he finish explaining things instead of using getting interrupted as a reason to not explain things that he considers important enough to explain.

Pugman said:
Sometimes even if you sit a person down and try to explain things to them that does not mean they will listen.
Usually when you try to calmly tell people No and the reason for the No and the instead scream over you that is a sign they are not the kind of person willing to listen at the moment.

He doesn't put in any effort to try explaining it once he has an excuse.

Jaytjones said:
But being four times immortal kind of screws you over in a long term
Now we got a depressed loner who can't even achieve his goal because the divine heavens lost all of their power.

And thus the depression spiral for the monkey King spirals ever free

Maybe he makes himself forget so he can keep starting over trying to find happiness and/or enlightenment through it.

Matrix Dragon · Nov 4, 2022

Pugman said:
So you are asking Light to have the patience of a saint?

I'd expect him to do a bit more than just say 'deal with it', when it's obvious the woman isn't thinking clearly. Of course, I'd also expect him to recognize that Ozma is the worst possible choice to bring back from the dead to handle a Grimm-infused Salem, and that it makes him a disgusting hypocrite given his previous actions, but even that seemed to be beyond him.

GuestLurker said:
He doesn't put in any effort to try explaining it once he has an excuse.

Especially since Salem was right about it not being fair.

Jaytjones · Nov 4, 2022

GuestLurker said:
Maybe he makes himself forget so he can keep starting over trying to find happiness and/or enlightenment through it.

Sure

Although I doo what to give this the reason for the Branwen transformation.

(Because if Oz can do transformation why doesn't he do it more But if magic that even he doesn't fuck with exist Thats more interesting )

Basic ends for monks Arc is yang turning into a dragon!

And sun becomes mentor to yang

Pugman · Nov 4, 2022

Arrowfell Music Teaser #3

View: https://twitter.com/WayForward/status/1588607077466914818

Swindlen description

View: https://twitter.com/WayForward/status/1588215079513706497

"Swindlen are agile, persistent, and tricky to hit. These simian-like foes aren't very strong but can be dangerous in groups."

Razorwing description

View: https://twitter.com/WayForward/status/1587882741172871169

With flapping wings and shredding talons, Razorwings are harpy-like Creatures of Grimm. They're as vicious as they are frightening!

Psyga315 · Nov 4, 2022

Jaytjones said:
Oz can do transformation why doesn't he do it more But if magic that even he doesn't fuck with exist Thats more interesting

Prolly because of budget reasons, both his in universe budget and RoosterTeeth's own budget problems.

Abstract Ideas · Nov 5, 2022

Pugman said:
So you are asking Light to have the patience of a saint?

From humans? No. From an actual, functional god who's powerful enough to rewrite reality and annihilate planets as he wishes?

I, uh, personally don't think I'm wrong to necessarily expect more responsibility and patience from people in power then, y'know, my local cashier.

Pugman said:
Sometimes even if you sit a person down and try to explain things to them that does not mean they will listen.
Usually when you try to calmly tell people No and the reason for the No and the instead scream over you that is a sign they are not the kind of person willing to listen at the moment.

The thing is, the God of Light doesn't try to explain anything- he just goes 'the balance of life and death is delicate' and that 'it cannot be done' and when Salem, understandably, as a woman in grief, doesn't accept the explanation-

He just teleports her out and tells her to just let her husband rest. That's it.

It's made even more hilarious then, that a minute later, Salem walks over to the God of Darkness's sanctuary and asks him for help-

He brings him back in five seconds flat. And notably, there's like, no cosomological imbalance noted by him- no gigantic tear in outer space signifiying the complete collapse of the natural order, the failing of the physical laws of the world- the God of Darkness doesn't even see an issue in bringing Ozma back from the dead-

Ozma just gets brought back. That's it. And then gets killed by the God of Light. And brought back again. And then killed.

Oh, and of course, we can't forget that when Salem starts going into complete recluse mode over being immortal after y'know, the Gods of Light and Darkness completely kill everyone, the God of Light just dives into the afterlife, hands Ozma the Four Relics, and then kicks him back into the living world. Just like that.

Matrix Dragon · Nov 5, 2022

Abstract Ideas said:
Oh, and of course, we can't forget that when Salem starts going into complete recluse mode over being immortal after y'know, the Gods of Light and Darkness completely kill everyone, the God of Light just dives into the afterlife, hands Ozma the Four Relics, and then kicks him back into the living world. Just like that.

This is part of what makes me think there's more to the story than even Ozma knew. There are things about the GoLs later behavior in that ep that doesn't fit with his earlier bullshit. And we still don't know where the second humanity and the faunus came from.

Abstract Ideas · Nov 5, 2022

Matrix Dragon said:
This is part of what makes me think there's more to the story than even Ozma knew. There are things about the GoLs later behavior in that ep that doesn't fit with his earlier bullshit. And we still don't know where the second humanity and the faunus came from.

Or the God of Light could just be a complete hypocrite who threw a fit when his brother broke the rules that he set in his favour and then fucked around even more to dunk on Salem more just to prove a literal non-existent point to her.

There's no need to go look for a wider-reaching explanation as to why the God of Light was totally right in what he did and how it's all part of his super-secret plan when the 'Jackass Gods' trope is one that's literally as old as human civilization and is almost certainly applicable given how the gods acted when they didn't get what they wanted.

I mean, Christ, curse a woman with eternal life for being understandably angry at watching her husband die and be revived again multiple times? Massacre all humans on Remnant just because of a few kingdoms that got greedy and fooled by said immortal woman? Further bring said husband back from the dead and give him four artifacts and then pit him against his wife for millenium?

They're not on the levels of the Greek gods in terms of 'being an asshole', but that's honestly not saying much.

Zam · Nov 5, 2022

Abstract Ideas said:
They're not on the levels of the Greek gods in terms of 'being an asshole', but that's honestly not saying much.

Hey now, at least the Greek Gods never committed planetary genocide cos of a few hundred people. They were assholes on smaller more personal levels.

Mahrac · Nov 5, 2022

Zam said:
Hey now, at least the Greek Gods never committed planetary genocide cos of a few hundred people. They were assholes on smaller more personal levels.

Demeter tried to do one via famine because of the whole Hades and Persephone thing.

Which we are not getting into because whatever version you listen to, it wasn't the fault of the world's population.

GuestLurker · Nov 5, 2022

Mahrac said:
Demeter tried to do one via famine because of the whole Hades and Persephone thing.

How intentional that was may be debated, though it would still be a genocide.

RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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