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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Oneiros said:
So proposal once our severe heals. We know that the kraken scroll is in cloud and we are at war with them. Why don't we send in a heavy assault team and take it? No reason to play it soft and it isn't a hard target. So would be minimal risk and get us a power up
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I don't think Asuma would really go for that. Scrolls take a while to become useful, longer than the likely scope of this world war, and I can't help but think that winning WWIV is taking up his value function right now. Even if we want to do it all ourselves instead of asking Asuma to provide some firepower, I can very easily see Asuma saying "Sorry but no, I can't afford to risk that many Goketsu on a mission that doesn't have strong and immediate strategic benefit to the war."

Hazou's a squishy chuunin with Shadow Clone, the Dog Scroll, and tons of state secrets in his head and Leaf's only connection to Arachnid and the Dragonwar. The same can be said about Kei, except the Dragonwar part. Noburi's the lynchpin of a critical new Leaf strategy, irreplaceable. Kagome's Leaf's best non-snake-themed Sealmaster and in progress to become Leaf's second connection to the situation in Arachnid. Mari's one of Leaf's few remaining true heavy hitters.

Akane and Haru are the only 'expendable' field-ready Goketsu that wouldn't be catastrophic for Leaf to lose in a mission gone wrong, and they're not enough to make up a heavy assault team. Sending any more Goketsu or asking Asuma to assign other ninja would both require us to make a case that this mission is worth the risk (and remember that we have next to no intel on the place other than that the Kraken Scroll may be there, for all we know Cloud collected it long ago and are keeping tabs on the area to spring ambushes on would-be infiltrators, this is far from a 'sure thing' mission) and the fact that the Kraken Scroll won't be at all helpful until WWIV is already over means I can't see Asuma agreeing that it's worth it.

Edit: that said, now that I think about it a little more, if we play it with the expectation that Cloud is out to ambush us, we can be prepared to counter-ambush them and inflict heavy losses in return, just like how Leaf baited out Mist into ambushing Naruto so Hiruzen et al. could ambush them right back. And if no threat materializes we just claim the Scroll and walk out. We'd need a solid game plan for what kind of threat profile we'd expect and how we intend to counter it, and we'd have to run the whole thing through Shikamaru and Kei in case it turns out to not be as bigbrain as it sounds, but it could maybe work.

Edit 2: Should mention, though, the more we draw on Asuma for this mission, as we would in a hypothetical 'go in ready to USoUD 2 if Cloud wants to rumble', the less likely we get to keep any Scrolls we find during the mission. We'd need to be at least the majority of the firepower on the mission, and I'm not sure that's compatible with the above strategy.
 
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Inferno Vulpix said:
I don't think Asuma would really go for that. Scrolls take a while to become useful, longer than the likely scope of this world war, and I can't help but think that winning WWIV is taking up his value function right now. Even if we want to do it all ourselves instead of asking Asuma to provide some firepower, I can very easily see Asuma saying "Sorry but no, I can't afford to risk that many Goketsu on a mission that doesn't have strong and immediate strategic benefit to the war."

Hazou's a squishy chuunin with Shadow Clone, the Dog Scroll, and tons of state secrets in his head and Leaf's only connection to Arachnid and the Dragonwar. The same can be said about Kei, except the Dragonwar part. Noburi's the lynchpin of a critical new Leaf strategy, irreplaceable. Kagome's Leaf's best non-snake-themed Sealmaster and in progress to become Leaf's second connection to the situation in Arachnid. Mari's one of Leaf's few remaining true heavy hitters.

Akane and Haru are the only 'expendable' field-ready Goketsu that wouldn't be catastrophic for Leaf to lose in a mission gone wrong, and they're not enough to make up a heavy assault team. Sending any more Goketsu or asking Asuma to assign other ninja would both require us to make a case that this mission is worth the risk (and remember that we have next to no intel on the place other than that the Kraken Scroll may be there, for all we know Cloud collected it long ago and are keeping tabs on the area to spring ambushes on would-be infiltrators, this is far from a 'sure thing' mission) and the fact that the Kraken Scroll won't be at all helpful until WWIV is already over means I can't see Asuma agreeing that it's worth it.

Edit: that said, now that I think about it a little more, if we play it with the expectation that Cloud is out to ambush us, we can be prepared to counter-ambush them and inflict heavy losses in return, just like how Leaf baited out Mist into ambushing Naruto so Hiruzen et al. could ambush them right back. And if no threat materializes we just claim the Scroll and walk out. We'd need a solid game plan for what kind of threat profile we'd expect and how we intend to counter it, and we'd have to run the whole thing through Shikamaru and Kei in case it turns out to not be as bigbrain as it sounds, but it could maybe work.

Edit 2: Should mention, though, the more we draw on Asuma for this mission, as we would in a hypothetical 'go in ready to USoUD 2 if Cloud wants to rumble', the less likely we get to keep any Scrolls we find during the mission. We'd need to be at least the majority of the firepower on the mission, and I'm not sure that's compatible with the above strategy.
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Inferno Vulpix said:
I don't think Asuma would really go for that. Scrolls take a while to become useful, longer than the likely scope of this world war, and I can't help but think that winning WWIV is taking up his value function right now. Even if we want to do it all ourselves instead of asking Asuma to provide some firepower, I can very easily see Asuma saying "Sorry but no, I can't afford to risk that many Goketsu on a mission that doesn't have strong and immediate strategic benefit to the war."

Hazou's a squishy chuunin with Shadow Clone, the Dog Scroll, and tons of state secrets in his head and Leaf's only connection to Arachnid and the Dragonwar. The same can be said about Kei, except the Dragonwar part. Noburi's the lynchpin of a critical new Leaf strategy, irreplaceable. Kagome's Leaf's best non-snake-themed Sealmaster and in progress to become Leaf's second connection to the situation in Arachnid. Mari's one of Leaf's few remaining true heavy hitters.

Akane and Haru are the only 'expendable' field-ready Goketsu that wouldn't be catastrophic for Leaf to lose in a mission gone wrong, and they're not enough to make up a heavy assault team. Sending any more Goketsu or asking Asuma to assign other ninja would both require us to make a case that this mission is worth the risk (and remember that we have next to no intel on the place other than that the Kraken Scroll may be there, for all we know Cloud collected it long ago and are keeping tabs on the area to spring ambushes on would-be infiltrators, this is far from a 'sure thing' mission) and the fact that the Kraken Scroll won't be at all helpful until WWIV is already over means I can't see Asuma agreeing that it's worth it.
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Well this should be a standard mission for the war but it also has the upside of getting Leaf a scroll in the long run. We'd be going into Cloud territory, destroying infrastructure and, killing any nin that are there. A pretty standard ninja raid against a soft target. That's a totally reasonable mission to be assigned to the Goketsu. We are expected as the Dog summoner to use the scroll for missions. Same thing can be said for Kei and Noburi. We have scrolls so makes sense to use them. Same thing with Mari benching your elite jounin is a losing strat in the long run.



Inferno Vulpix said:
Edit: that said, now that I think about it a little more, if we play it with the expectation that Cloud is out to ambush us, we can be prepared to counter-ambush them and inflict heavy losses in return, just like how Leaf baited out Mist into ambushing Naruto so Hiruzen et al. could ambush them right back. And if no threat materializes we just claim the Scroll and walk out. We'd need a solid game plan for what kind of threat profile we'd expect and how we intend to counter it, and we'd have to run the whole thing through Shikamaru and Kei in case it turns out to not be as bigbrain as it sounds, but it could maybe work.

Edit 2: Should mention, though, the more we draw on Asuma for this mission, as we would in a hypothetical 'go in ready to USoUD 2 if Cloud wants to rumble', the less likely we get to keep any Scrolls we find during the mission. We'd need to be at least the majority of the firepower on the mission, and I'm not sure that's compatible with the above strategy.
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I def think the 6 of Mari, Yuno, Akane, Hazou, Kei and Noburi is a really heavy assault force. We could add in maybe Neji and either the Minami or KEI summoner to make sure we had plenty of firepower.
 
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The official MfD cat, 1 year
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    • Everyone, please join me in wishing Minori the official MfD kitten a happy birthday as she transforms into Minori the official MfD cat.

    Minori has grown a little since she first arrived at the official MfD Velorien lair.



    The battle over the most coveted spot in the flat, my chair, continues--several times during the day, and pretty much every time I get up from it at night. She may be deceptively cute, but, like her fictional counterpart Jūchi Yosamu, she is not to be underestimated.



    On the other hand, I am currently on top in the battle of wits over my bed, which Minori has refused to give up without a fight.


    The battle has developed as follows:

    1) Minori is in my room when I go to bed. I remove her, because if I do not, she will pounce on my feet while I sleep.
    2) Minori learns to hide under the bed.
    3) I learn how to extract her from her spot of choice under the bed with the aid of cunning and celerity.
    4) Minori learns how to hide deeper under the bed, where no mortal hand may reach.
    5) I learn to wait for when Minori is vulnerable and off-guard before seizing and removing her through stealth and guile.
    6) Minori learns to identify the signs of me going to bed, such as brushing my teeth, and hides under the bed preemptively.
    7) I learn to close the door to my room a couple of hours in advance, before she can enter to begin with.
    For now, my sleep is secure. Unfortunately,
    8) According to my partner, Minori is learning to open doors.

    Minori is scarily intelligent when she puts her mind to it. We put out an enrichment toy for her birthday that she's played with two or three times in her life, with treats in compartments that require spatial manipulation to get into (like narrow-top jars). I did not have a chance to record the process, because it was over too fast: she finished the first puzzle in under five seconds, the second and third in under three, and the fourth in under one second--she just reached her paw into the complex windy tracks and plucked the treat out as soon as I let it drop.

    She continues to be a gamer kitty, though unfortunately her increased size makes co-op play tricky.


    In addition, we have introduced her to board gaming. While she enjoys her position as Assistant Dice Roller, her talents truly shine when she is allowed to join the kaiju.


    Being of mixed breed, we originally found her difficult to classify. Here you see her under "V" for "Van, Turkish" (after her mother).


    Eventually, my partner devised the ingenious solution of getting her her own shelf.


    In the end, despite my eternal rivalry with Minori over the office chair (which, I will have her know, is required for me to write MfD updates), I feel hope that man and beast can come to a compromise over its use:


    And finally, a message from Minori herself:

    That's 54 spaces, enough for every quest regular to have one each, with a few to spare for newcomers.
     
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    • Inferno Vulpix said:
    And if no threat materializes we just claim the Scroll and walk out.
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    Inferno Vulpix said:
    the less likely we get to keep any Scrolls we find during the mission
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    Oneiros said:
    A pretty standard ninja raid against a soft target. That's a totally reasonable mission to be assigned to the Goketsu
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    I'm gonna somewhat diverge from what both of you are discussing and suggest instead that we just pitch the mission to Asuma and let him assign people as he sees fit. Share our Intel as a show of good faith (as somewhat of repayment for letting us have the Arachnid scroll despite not being a majority of the mission's team [yes yes we needed it for dragon stuff but it's politically inconvenient]). The Intel is really good for a summon scroll imo. We already have contacts, safehouses, and a pretty good approximate location, we just need an infiltrator to weasel the info out of the locals and nab it. If that means it's already claimed, the infiltrator can leave undetected. If the Goketsu are not an ideal team then that's fine. It means we lose out on a scroll but there's more scrolls to gain later and this helps Leaf and our position/reputation immediately.

    Of course, I'm also fine with not sharing the information and getting it later.
     
    Shrooms said:
    I'm gonna somewhat diverge from what both of you are discussing and suggest instead that we just pitch the mission to Asuma and let him assign people as he sees fit. Share our Intel as a show of good faith (as somewhat of repayment for letting us have the Arachnid scroll despite not being a majority of the mission's team [yes yes we needed it for dragon stuff but it's politically inconvenient]). The Intel is really good for a summon scroll imo. We already have contacts, safehouses, and a pretty good approximate location, we just need an infiltrator to weasel the info out of the locals and nab it. If that means it's already claimed, the infiltrator can leave undetected. If the Goketsu are not an ideal team then that's fine. It means we lose out on a scroll but there's more scrolls to gain later and this helps Leaf and our position/reputation immediately.

    Of course, I'm also fine with not sharing the information and getting it later.
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    Honestly one of the main reasons I want to do the mission is we haven't done any ninja stuff in a long time. It's a mission that makes sense for us to do plus has a worthwhile award. I think this is a fun thing that haven't done for years.
     
    Velorien said:
    Everyone, please join me in wishing Minori the official MfD kitten a happy birthday as she transforms into Minori the official MfD cat.

    Minori has grown a little since she first arrived at the official MfD Velorien lair.



    The battle over the most coveted spot in the flat, my chair, continues--several times during the day, and pretty much every time I get up from it at night. She may be deceptively cute, but, like her fictional counterpart Jūchi Yosamu, she is not to be underestimated.



    On the other hand, I am currently on top in the battle of wits over my bed, which Minori has refused to give up without a fight.


    The battle has developed as follows:

    1) Minori is in my room when I go to bed. I remove her, because if I do not, she will pounce on my feet while I sleep.
    2) Minori learns to hide under the bed.
    3) I learn how to extract her from her spot of choice under the bed with the aid of cunning and celerity.
    4) Minori learns how to hide deeper under the bed, where no mortal hand may reach.
    5) I learn to wait for when Minori is vulnerable and off-guard before seizing and removing her through stealth and guile.
    6) Minori learns to identify the signs of me going to bed, such as brushing my teeth, and hides under the bed preemptively.
    7) I learn to close the door to my room a couple of hours in advance, before she can enter to begin with.
    For now, my sleep is secure. Unfortunately,
    8) According to my partner, Minori is learning to open doors.

    Minori is scarily intelligent when she puts her mind to it. We put out an enrichment toy for her birthday that she's played with two or three times in her life, with treats in compartments that require spatial manipulation to get into (like narrow-top jars). I did not have a chance to record the process, because it was over too fast: she finished the first puzzle in under five seconds, the second and third in under three, and the fourth in under one second--she just reached her paw into the complex windy tracks and plucked the treat out as soon as I let it drop.

    She continues to be a gamer kitty, though unfortunately her increased size makes co-op play tricky.


    In addition, we have introduced her to board gaming. While she enjoys her position as Assistant Dice Roller, her talents truly shine when she is allowed to join the kaiju.


    Being of mixed breed, we originally found her difficult to classify. Here you see her under "V" for "Van, Turkish" (after her mother).


    Eventually, my partner devised the ingenious solution of getting her her own shelf.


    Unfortunately, while not one of nature's readers herself (she prefers to pull my partner's tasselly bookmark out of books and play with it), her time on the bookshelves has taught her to be sceptical of my reading material.

    (She has missed the point that those books weren't with her on the bookshelf because they're in boxes for donation.)

    In the end, despite my eternal rivalry with Minori over the office chair (which, I will have her know, is required for me to write MfD updates), I feel hope that man and beast can come to a compromise over its use:


    And finally, a message from Minori herself:

    That's 54 spaces, enough for every quest regular to have one each, with a few to spare for newcomers.
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    Happy birthday Minori!!

    remember: if you fits you sits :p
     
    Velorien said:
    Everyone, please join me in wishing Minori the official MfD kitten a happy birthday as she transforms into Minori the official MfD cat.

    Minori has grown a little since she first arrived at the official MfD Velorien lair.



    The battle over the most coveted spot in the flat, my chair, continues--several times during the day, and pretty much every time I get up from it at night. She may be deceptively cute, but, like her fictional counterpart Jūchi Yosamu, she is not to be underestimated.



    On the other hand, I am currently on top in the battle of wits over my bed, which Minori has refused to give up without a fight.


    The battle has developed as follows:

    1) Minori is in my room when I go to bed. I remove her, because if I do not, she will pounce on my feet while I sleep.
    2) Minori learns to hide under the bed.
    3) I learn how to extract her from her spot of choice under the bed with the aid of cunning and celerity.
    4) Minori learns how to hide deeper under the bed, where no mortal hand may reach.
    5) I learn to wait for when Minori is vulnerable and off-guard before seizing and removing her through stealth and guile.
    6) Minori learns to identify the signs of me going to bed, such as brushing my teeth, and hides under the bed preemptively.
    7) I learn to close the door to my room a couple of hours in advance, before she can enter to begin with.
    For now, my sleep is secure. Unfortunately,
    8) According to my partner, Minori is learning to open doors.

    Minori is scarily intelligent when she puts her mind to it. We put out an enrichment toy for her birthday that she's played with two or three times in her life, with treats in compartments that require spatial manipulation to get into (like narrow-top jars). I did not have a chance to record the process, because it was over too fast: she finished the first puzzle in under five seconds, the second and third in under three, and the fourth in under one second--she just reached her paw into the complex windy tracks and plucked the treat out as soon as I let it drop.

    She continues to be a gamer kitty, though unfortunately her increased size makes co-op play tricky.


    In addition, we have introduced her to board gaming. While she enjoys her position as Assistant Dice Roller, her talents truly shine when she is allowed to join the kaiju.


    Being of mixed breed, we originally found her difficult to classify. Here you see her under "V" for "Van, Turkish" (after her mother).


    Eventually, my partner devised the ingenious solution of getting her her own shelf.


    Unfortunately, while not one of nature's readers herself (she prefers to pull my partner's tasselly bookmark out of books and play with it), her time on the bookshelves has taught her to be sceptical of my reading material.

    (She has missed the point that those books weren't with her on the bookshelf because they're in boxes for donation.)

    In the end, despite my eternal rivalry with Minori over the office chair (which, I will have her know, is required for me to write MfD updates), I feel hope that man and beast can come to a compromise over its use:


    And finally, a message from Minori herself:

    That's 54 spaces, enough for every quest regular to have one each, with a few to spare for newcomers.
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    Minori is precious and an absolute dear.
     
    Could we just teach Akane Summoning alongside Kagome so she can instantly sign a Scroll when we get another one? Is Summoning a clan secret type thing for us to share with whomever we please within our own clan?

    I'm assuming she's going to get deployed which would interrupt training, but in a vacuum is this doable?
     
    Oneiros said:
    I def think the 6 of Mari, Yuno, Akane, Hazou, Kei and Noburi is a really heavy assault force. We could add in maybe Neji and either the Minami or KEI summoner to make sure we had plenty of firepower.
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    Oneiros said:
    So proposal once our severe heals. We know that the kraken scroll is in cloud and we are at war with them. Why don't we send in a heavy assault team and take it? No reason to play it soft and it isn't a hard target. So would be minimal risk and get us a power up
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    When you say "us" a power up, do you mean Leaf or the Goketsu?

    Oneiros said:
    I def think the 6 of Mari, Yuno, Akane, Hazou, Kei and Noburi is a really heavy assault force. We could add in maybe Neji and either the Minami or KEI summoner to make sure we had plenty of firepower.
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    We might need Asuma's permission to invade a foreign country with just those 6, since they are a significant amount of Leaf's total fighting power. (3 summoners, 1 jonin, 1 special jonin). And if we need more than just the Goketsu to get the scroll, it's a Leaf mission now and Asuma chooses who gets the scroll. If that happens, we 100% don't get the scroll since it'd be so politically unpopular to give it to us. Kagome only got the Spider Scroll because he's a sealmaster needed for the Great Seal.

    He also might not agree to a mission at all since the scroll isn't immediately usable for at least 3 months while the candidate undergoes training. Plus the Kraken Scroll isn't at a military installation like the Rock site IIRC.

    I saw we just wait till the war is over and get the scroll ourselves so we can keep it. Passing on the info now won't get us the scroll even if a mission is approved. Also, shrooms reminded me that Asuma was there when Enma told us about Kraken scroll. If Asuma thought the scroll was currently worth a mission, he'd probably approach us about it himself.
     
    Pharos said:
    When you say "us" a power up, do you mean Leaf or the Goketsu?
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    Pharos said:
    We might need Asuma's permission to invade a foreign country with just those 6, since they are a significant amount of Leaf's total fighting power. (3 summoners, 1 jonin, 1 special jonin). And if we need more than just the Goketsu to get the scroll, it's a Leaf mission now and Asuma chooses who gets the scroll. If that happens, we 100% don't get the scroll since it'd be so politically unpopular to give it to us. Kagome only got the Spider Scroll because he's a sealmaster needed for the Great Seal.

    He also might not agree to a mission at all since the scroll isn't immediately usable for at least 3 months while the candidate undergoes training. Plus the Kraken Scroll isn't at a military installation like the Rock site IIRC.

    I saw we just wait till the war is over and get the scroll ourselves so we can keep it. Passing on the info now won't get us the scroll even if a mission is approved. Also, shrooms reminded me that Asuma was there when Enma told us about Kraken scroll. If Asuma thought the scroll was currently worth a mission, he'd probably approach us about it himself.
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    The point is that we are already at war with cloud so raiding them makes since this is a nice mission that we can do for Asuma. It helps in the war effort and potentially has a good pay out. I would personally be just as happy if we just took any mission.
     
    Reminder: The last reported location of the scroll is in Cloud.

    The scroll could have been moved to a different location, or that nobody in cloud was able to get Kraken to accept them as summoner.
     
    Lailoken said:
    "I'm sorry, did you not get the hint the last time we lit you on fire?"
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    You did?

    And anyway, Kei setting Hazō on fire didn't get him to change his behaviour, so I don't know why you'd expect more wisdom from Hagoromo "I'm going to humiliate someone who has half the village backing her over an issue nobody cares about" Ritsuo.
     
    Velorien said:
    You did?

    And anyway, Kei setting Hazō on fire didn't get him to change his behaviour, so I don't know why you'd expect more wisdom from Hagoromo "I'm going to humiliate someone who has half the village backing her over an issue nobody cares about" Ritsuo.
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    We burned their crucial blacksmith and holy relics. And, oh, I don't, but that just goes to show that sometimes more fire needs to be applied. Snap, crackle, pop. Release the trigger approximately three minutes after the target stops moving to account for breath holding capacity.
     
    Kiba said:
    Reminder: The last reported location of the scroll is in Cloud.

    The scroll could have been moved to a different location, or that nobody in cloud was able to get Kraken to accept them as summoner.
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    I think there's a misunderstanding of what this mission actually is supposed to do. Even if the Kraken scroll is not there this is still a valuable mission. We are at war with Cloud. We would be doing a raid deep in there territory, fucking up infrastructure and killing any Cloud nin we find. This is the reason we are proposing the mission. If we find the scroll great. If not we still successfully helped the war and made Asuma happy. I very specifically want to target this scroll for these reasons. Every other scroll hunt is a no go right now because we are at war and as soon as we are healthy should start contributing towards that. If people don't want to suggest this mission to Asuma I would be equally happy taking any mission that Asuma has for us
     
    Hey, clan-to-clan adoptions don't require slips because they don't affect the common tax pool, right? -and Shinobi can elect to evacuate their clan, right?

    So, what would happen if Hazou's notoriously unappreciated apprentice sealsmith decided to formally shift allegiances to the Gouketsu? Y'know, the people who appreciate him, educate him, spend vast sums to provide eyewear for him, name world-saving seals after him? The Hags running off to complain to the Hokage who has already seen results from Hazou's new academy curriculum that he's being too good at his assigned task of raising a sealmaster aren't likely to get a lot of traction.
     
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    Shane_357 said:
    I mean, Hashirama was the closest thing to 'enlightened' in the world at that point, having figured out Sage Mode on his own, something no one else in canon ever did. Basically when the Tree-Buddha tells you that he has an Awesome New Philosophy, it makes sense for people to listen.
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    Arguably Buddha-Buddha was tree-Buddha.

    Velorien said:
    These two things are in no way contradictory.

    Also, nooo, not the blatant Hashirama Buddhism references! The trauma is still too fresh.
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    Yup, like so.
     
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