RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
 
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Minor request, when posted videos please add a bit of a description?

Like "Oh hey RWBY's available on digital on April 15 (video)"
 
I've been seeing Arcane discussion on tiktok and I must admit it's hard to resist going, "Oh, so you were hoping for a story of one city physically over another that rightly pegs the upper classes' oppression as the ultimate cause of the strife leading to their downfall? Well I think I can point you to a show with a satisfying arc on that!"
 
I've been seeing Arcane discussion on tiktok and I must admit it's hard to resist going, "Oh, so you were hoping for a story of one city physically over another that rightly pegs the upper classes' oppression as the ultimate cause of the strife leading to their downfall? Well I think I can point you to a show with a satisfying arc on that!"
Was literally my thoughts watching the disaster trash fire that was Arcane season 2.
 
I didn't even dislike Arcane S2, (though it really would have benefited from being three seasons instead of two) and I agree with a lot of OSP's analysis of why it works for what it's trying to do... but yeah, RWBY's Atlas arc still does better with the classism angle in some ways, despite the comparative lack of in-depth detail on the specifics. Funny, that.
 
I didn't even dislike Arcane S2, (though it really would have benefited from being three seasons instead of two) and I agree with a lot of OSP's analysis of why it works for what it's trying to do... but yeah, RWBY's Atlas arc still does better with the classism angle in some ways, despite the comparative lack of in-depth detail on the specifics. Funny, that.
Sometimes being too specific can ruin the angle do to making it depend on something that doesn't exist instead of implying things with a clear visual metaphor built into the setting to let it apply to many cases.
 
I remain convinced they were trying to squeeze at least one and a half seasons into the second season, and it is odd, given how successful the first season was, that they didn't try for three. Or at least a longer season two.
Streaming executives don't care about things being good, they want things people can be kept binging, and they want it fast, so getting Riot to move on to making more series in other parts of League of Legends's setting probably looks better on a spreadsheet.
 
I suspect that they simply underestimated how much time their plans would take to cover
No from hearing them talk about the show they're just fucking idiots. Lots of bland centrist bullshit about how both sides were at fault and how people needed to Come Together, which at least explains why they never actually addressed the oppression of Zaun apart from when Vi dying caused the perfect world lmao genuine clownshoes shit.
 
No from hearing them talk about the show they're just fucking idiots. Lots of bland centrist bullshit about how both sides were at fault and how people needed to Come Together, which at least explains why they never actually addressed the oppression of Zaun apart from when Vi dying caused the perfect world lmao genuine clownshoes shit.
I think you responded to the wrong person
 
I think both things are true- The decided to do two seasons and discovered they had too much plot for it, resulting in things being super busy.

And, separately, they had a disappointingly centrist take of the type I associate more with 90s cartoons, whereas newer shows like RWBY and Avatar are less likely to do 'the problem is the cycle of violence' and more likely to do 'the problem is the side oppressing people.' It would have this take if it had two seasons or four.
 
And, separately, they had a disappointingly centrist take of the type I associate more with 90s cartoons, whereas newer shows like RWBY and Avatar are less likely to do 'the problem is the cycle of violence' and more likely to do 'the problem is the side oppressing people.' It would have this take if it had two seasons or four.
The boringly vapid centrist take is probably a result of big corporations not wanting to alienate the oppressors for the sake of money, and Avatar came out at a time when people were able to tell themselves that the oppressors were mostly a thing of the past with only a few individuals left to convince and that we just had to keep them from coming back instead of seeing where their systems were to make it truly stop.
 
The boringly vapid centrist take is probably a result of big corporations not wanting to alienate the oppressors for the sake of money, and Avatar came out at a time when people were able to tell themselves that the oppressors were mostly a thing of the past with only a few individuals left to convince and that we just had to keep them from coming back instead of seeing where their systems were to make it truly stop.
You're being way too aggressive about things lol. There's nothing wrong with centrism in the show and at the end of the day these are shoes that want to keep a wide range of viewers.
 
You're being way too aggressive about things lol. There's nothing wrong with centrism in the show and at the end of the day these are shoes that want to keep a wide range of viewers.

Well I can't speak for everyone but I personally find it makes for less compelling stories, and from the complains arcane s2 had, I think I'm far from alone.

'Centrist' in this sense very much doesn't mean 'appeals to all sides' or 'widely popular.' It could also be described as a golden mean plot; if you have two sides, the truth must be in the middle, right? Well, no, and doing so often lacks verisimilitude.
 
'Centrist' in this sense very much doesn't mean 'appeals to all sides' or 'widely popular.' It could also be described as a golden mean plot; if you have two sides, the truth must be in the middle, right? Well, no, and doing so often lacks verisimilitude.
Yes, if you want to appeal to everyone you will appeal to no one, and constantly sifting your stances to try to fit into the middle of the Overton Window marks you for an opinionless tool no matter what buzzwords you use to argue that you're not, and people with actual opinions will feel turned away at the dismissal of their ideas.
 
To be perfectly honest, I find the idea that RWBY somehow isn't centrist on the subject of oppression classism to be laughable considering the entire White Fang storyline.
 
...How did the RWBY thread get invaded by people complaining about Arcane? I mean, seriously, how?

Though I do have to say that I'm really glad RWBY is coming back. Gives me hope for the future for once.
 
To be perfectly honest, I find the idea that RWBY somehow isn't centrist on the subject of oppression classism to be laughable considering the entire White Fang storyline.
And the writers openly admit that how they handled that storyline was a mistake and that they should have done a lot more research into how to handle the topic.
Though I do have to say that I'm really glad RWBY is coming back. Gives me hope for the future for once.
And hope is something we dearly need these days.
 
I didn't watch Arcane so I can't comment on it but the issues with the White Fang arc aside, I still find it better than a lot of stories handling of these topics.

Unreasonable people will act like Adam being a villain is somehow centrist, as though a charismatic asshole taking control of a group or movement rooted in valid issues for his own personal ambition is not something that happens all the god damn time and yes. & that's before we acknowledge the reality groups like the IRA started off with pragmatic measured violence but near their end were oppressing their own people as well as killing random civilians (Sound familiar?) along with having splintered into factions led by charismatic assholes with a penchant for power hunger. But let's not forget that this wasn't even a jab at violence resistance as a whole because Adam was building a personality cult around himself before Sienna even took over and captain peaceful (Ghira) outright respected Sienna Khan.

I have a bigger post on it here, but while there's 100% issues, especially in the early l volumes its a lot better than a lot of shows in large part because it acknowledges "Hey, bigotry comes in many forms (harassment in Vale, lynch mobs in Mistral, capital exploitation in Atlas) and is a generational and systemic issue and not rooted in 'misunderstanding' or 'a long time ago the minority did a bad thing' or other such BS. Also Atlas's systemic corruption and exploitation through prejudice and classism being huge issues that ended up rotting them to the core helps too. Also disingenuous people will act like Blake was rallying Kuo Kuana to fight for humans when her argument was letting Adam run wild would be bad for Faunus. Is it perfect? Hell no. Does it try, improve and do better than a lot of things I've seen? Definitely.

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To be perfectly honest, I find the idea that RWBY somehow isn't centrist on the subject of oppression classism to be laughable considering the entire White Fang storyline.

I do want to note there that they came around to a stance of the matter of "Pacifism doesn't work, you need to be willing to fight, it just needs to be directed and not just lashing out, having the White Fang around is a good and needed thing, just not Adam's white fang."

It's actually a lot better on the subject than a lot of shows- how often do you get a 'use of force by minorities to protect their rights is justified and more effective than not using force' message?

We're not on the early seasons where Adam appeared to be the whole thing and we know multiple leaders in it that pretty firmly establishes that Adam hijacked his branch for his own power and personal vendettas (his girlfriend, deposing the more strategic minded Sienna as well as aiming for Ghira, etc), and he was never a Killmonger type.
 
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