- Location
- Texas
Would "The greater Leaf area" work better? Five miles is not a long distance at all.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
"Just outside Leaf" would work, imo.
- Location
- Texas
[X] Training Plan - Hazo: Detect Chakra Sounds Cool
Detect Chakra 0 -> 1 (1 xp)
Detect Chakra 0 -> 1 (1 xp)
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
...Honestly? Yeah.
[X] Training Plan - Hazo: Detect Chakra Sounds Cool
- Location
- United States
@Paperclipped @eaglejarl @Velorien
Before we go dungeon delving is there any chance we can have those Tower Earth/Water Jutsu available for Hazō & Noburi?
Before we go dungeon delving is there any chance we can have those Tower Earth/Water Jutsu available for Hazō & Noburi?
- Location
- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I mostly wanted to see if I could get the fancy poll tally thing working.
To that end, @Ipsos Custodes would you consider changing the name of your EM Nuke plan to have [EM Nuke] at the front? That way action plans and EM Nuke plans can be tallied separately. (Reduces visual noise.)
@Paperclipped @Velorien @eaglejarl can we get a deadline and ideally some guidelines for voting in an EM Nuke plan?
- Location
- United States
[X] Training Plan - Hazo: Detect Chakra Sounds Cool
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped
In Hazou's sheet, the recent FP purchase should be -5 XP, not -10, as it was from the Ninjutsu Audit, which gave us a better deal on that.
In Hazou's sheet, the recent FP purchase should be -5 XP, not -10, as it was from the Ninjutsu Audit, which gave us a better deal on that.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
[X] Things we should probably do
Fake edit: Not for the Isan part. Obviously. But honestly, those two things don't actually have to happen at the same time, do they?
Can we please also include Kagome. For once this is actually his area of expertise. Not just sealing and sealing failures, but also perimeter control and mass demolition/extermination.
Fake edit: Not for the Isan part. Obviously. But honestly, those two things don't actually have to happen at the same time, do they?
- Location
- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] [EM Nuke] No Comment
- Ask Asuma about the official story.
- Optimize/practice with Mari.
- If questioned about Isan generally:
- Don't volunteer information unprompted, but don't be withholding. Have a natural conversation.
- He hasn't heard anything about Isan recently. Yuno doesn't talk about it much or in any detail (painful memories), Kei was exiled, and Goketsu's only other point of contact would be Kagome, who trades the occasional letter with one of their sealmasters. Hazo thinks they're flirting.
- If questioned about the EM nuke test:
- It was determined that what happened was the result of a sealing failure. You're not at liberty to say more.
- If they want first-hand details, Mari was part of the team sent to investigate.
- If told that Isan was destroyed by something similar to EM nuke:
- The Hokage needs to know, immediately. If this was intentional, it's an AMITY violation.
- If Asuma gives Hazo permission to speak with the questioner freely:
- Give whatever story Asuma gave you.
Can we try to tap Naruto, too? Once he's done some initial, 'you won't immediately die' recon, we can get some Hazos and Maris down there.
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- Location
- Texas
I'm going to the gym now, I'll add Kagome to that part of the conversation when I get back home.
- Location
- Yes.
[] [EM Nuke] No Comment
Suggestion: Kei thinks they're flirting. Hazou is unconvinced, because Kagome believes such things are undefined behavior.
I observe that the EM nuke test killed hundreds-thousands of civilians. Hazou should really lean into that; for example, he could briefly show grief before snapping into calm tranquility while refusing to talk about it, and if pressed, he acknowledges it's a sealing failure (his fault, his fault, his fault). Let him practice snapping into this mode via IN so he can do it on command.
I think this goes too quickly into "if this was intentional" territory. Remember, as far as Hazou is supposed to know, the EM nuke test was a catastrophic sealing failure. My model of Hazou, if told that Isan was destroyed by a icehell storm, would snap somewhere around "another sealing failure, they were probably researching [insert class of seal Hazou is pretending he was researching]" and later, once he thinks over why he's being asked, "wait you think I did this FUCK YOU I WOULDN'T SLAUGHTER INNOCENT CIVILIANS THAT IS AGAINST EVERYTHING I STAND FOR".
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- Location
- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I think we have WoG that Hazo thinks they're flirting and I don't want to lie any more than necessary.
Is the official line that this was one of Hazo's tests that went wrong?
Fair, yeah.
I'll make some updates.
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
You... know this just leaks everything, right? It's not even putting up a fight. Like, the main threat model here is that some major player connects Isan to the storm in Fire, then arranges for someone — probably a social specialist — to talk to Hazou and fish for information (because he's known as the weapons developer and the top-tier sealmaster and someone bad at INFOSEC). The things the enemy will read off are Hazou clearly knowing something that he isn't saying, plus Hazou feeling some guilt/responsibility/horror about it. Whatever tactic we're using needs to destroy these signals, make seeing these emotions non-informative/misleading by providing convincing explanations for them that are distinct from the truth.
Just stonewalling won't work. @faflec's point about how the EM nuke test killed hundreds of civilians is a good starting point.
Another feature that I think is warranted is preparing to wrestle control of the conversation. If the social specialist has the liberty to keep talking and testing out arbitrary tactics on Hazou, who's just standing there and passively taking it, they're going to win. We need a tactic that prevents this.
Example: my "aggressively technobabble at them" approach.
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- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Not super keen on this phrasing. Why wouldn't we be at liberty to talk about a random sealing failure? This feels like the sort of thing that gives bread crumbs to a would-be investigator. Instead, I'd recommend something like Noumero's suggestion, where we play the part of someone fascinated by what the "sealing failure" might have done:
Put into plan form, It'd go something like this:
- If questioned about the EM Nuke test:
- Overwhelm them with a barrage of sealing technobabble about how a failing seal could wind up channeling that much power. You're very excited by the topic and while you know sealing failures are impossible to recreate you can't help but think about it. Explosions are a Goketsu signature, after all, and that storm exceeds any explosion you've seen before or since.
- Location
- Yes.
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped The recent Action Plan had us ask Mari and Kei if they could handle Mio on their own. Can they?
Taking a moment before understand dawns will help us sell that we didn't already know about it.
Unsatisfied with this. Maybe just say "sealing failure" and enter SSA mindset as we stare into the Out for an increasingly uncomfortable moment. Then snap back into reality and say "I don't want to talk about it"
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Noumero
Omit Needless Words
I don't think we're allowed to do that anymore:
If we are allowed to do that, then @Inferno Vulpix, @FaintlySorcerous, I extend my "cover up EM by telling the truth in technobabble" idea with "cover up nuking Isan by telling the truth in eldritchbabble". As in, Hazou dips into Out, then straight-up confesses that Leaf did it, but using terminology like "burning clunks of meat conjured forth a vortical disturbance".
Buuut if we're allowed to do that that's kinda OP (can cover up knowledge of anything by appearing insane), so we're probably not allowed to do that.
(Or maybe we are??? Can that be a stunt too? Ohh, maybe make it a stunt that lets us replace a defensive Deceit check with a Resolve check of "avoid falling into Out"? It can even scale with the difficulty of the opposed Deceit roll, as in "how deep do you have to go to ensure you're too inhuman for them to catch you?".)
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What does this mean exactly? Are we requesting assistance if there is a clear danger? That bullet point doesn't parse for me. I suggest rewording since we have WC.
- Location
- Texas
[X] Things we should probably do
- Sealing Failure
- Hazō, Mari, and Naruto SCs to investigate that the failure is not continuing to get worse.
- Pangolin scout to investigate caverns.
- Block opening until forces are ready
- Kagome explosive assistance?
- Force Walls and traps?
- Skyslicers along the opening?
- Straight up rocks?
- Asuma, Mari, Kagome meeting.
- Recover from consequences if time permits.
- Prepare seals to outfit assault forces.
- Hazō, Kei, Noburi, Kagome should prepare combat summons.
- Send SCs in first.
- If combat level appropriate, fill up SCs on chakra, distribute seals, and have willing chunin+ Goketsu investigate cave system.
- Invite Ino and Lee?
- If SC are dying, use Zoo rush + more SC instead
- If combat level appropriate, fill up SCs on chakra, distribute seals, and have willing chunin+ Goketsu investigate cave system.
- Asuma, Mari, Kagome
- Inform of sealing failure.
- Cave system discovered just outside Leaf.
- Extent is unknown, could lead into the city.
- If situation is out of control, request assistance in clearing the cave.
- ANBU/jonin strike force, authorizing Zoo rush, mobilizing Leaf S-rankers.
Done.
Done.
Reworded it a bit. Let me know if that's clearer please.
Seems like this is going in a separate vote so I removed it.
- Assist in coming up with a story regarding EM/Isan.
- Sealing failure based on Isanese sealing tradition?
- Have multiple Isan seals as reference, can fabricate a plausible sounding issue.
- The dangers of sealing based on summoning scrolls.
- Hazō had corresponded to Isanese sealmasters urging them to not attempt the infusion.
- Forge letters using calligraphy and Mari's deceit?
OMAKE: Chapter 6OP
- Location
- Pacific standard
OMAKE: Chapter 6OP
Asuma sprinted into the sky. The new information from his armsdealer née treason bunny née civilian sympathizer née --
It refused to coagulate into a coherent picture. Slivers of infinite despair warred against bleak, chosen, fated evil. Lesser evil, yes, but the lessons of Warmth and Protection his father left him warped and screamed at the thought of slaughtering hundreds of innocents - no, worse. Allies.
HHisSelf began to Tear
"Halt!" Asuma whipped out a hand, signalling his desire for his attendants to build a skytower. Thirty seconds later Asuma knelt above the clouds, charcoal and paper in hand.
The Will of Fire is the will to protect, to use violence towards peaceful ends. Death, by his hand is obviously just if his ends are peaceful. Are they?
The Will of Fire also recognizes that using violence changes a person. Each time you reach for it you flinch a little less. You consider it earlier and earlier, until you're unrecognizable to your past self.
Shikamaru's logic holds. Does it? I must know.
The Hokage began jotting down notes, muttering under his breath as he went, "Relevant factors are my current trajectory, the probability that Hazō successfully creates an EM countermeasure within a year - he has a fantastic track record here and he's confident enough to beg me. I'll give him an 80% chance. I'm split, so my prior isn't a consideration. If the world starts to end, I give him a 1% chance to turn it around. Shikamaru gave me an 8% chance for the world to end in the next year. Ah fuck, how does this all go together?"
P(A|B) = [(.8) * (.5)]/[(.92 * .8) +(.08 * .01)]
Asuma blitzed through the calculations, decades of training having prepared his mind for this moment.
.543 - less than a tenth in favor of mercy.
His mouth set in a grim line, Asuma made two sharp moments once again, and resumed running to Isan.
More thought is required
Asuma sprinted into the sky. The new information from his armsdealer née treason bunny née civilian sympathizer née --
It refused to coagulate into a coherent picture. Slivers of infinite despair warred against bleak, chosen, fated evil. Lesser evil, yes, but the lessons of Warmth and Protection his father left him warped and screamed at the thought of slaughtering hundreds of innocents - no, worse. Allies.
HHisSelf began to Tear
"Halt!" Asuma whipped out a hand, signalling his desire for his attendants to build a skytower. Thirty seconds later Asuma knelt above the clouds, charcoal and paper in hand.
The Will of Fire is the will to protect, to use violence towards peaceful ends. Death, by his hand is obviously just if his ends are peaceful. Are they?
The Will of Fire also recognizes that using violence changes a person. Each time you reach for it you flinch a little less. You consider it earlier and earlier, until you're unrecognizable to your past self.
Shikamaru's logic holds. Does it? I must know.
The Hokage began jotting down notes, muttering under his breath as he went, "Relevant factors are my current trajectory, the probability that Hazō successfully creates an EM countermeasure within a year - he has a fantastic track record here and he's confident enough to beg me. I'll give him an 80% chance. I'm split, so my prior isn't a consideration. If the world starts to end, I give him a 1% chance to turn it around. Shikamaru gave me an 8% chance for the world to end in the next year. Ah fuck, how does this all go together?"
P(A|B) = [(.8) * (.5)]/[(.92 * .8) +(.08 * .01)]
Asuma blitzed through the calculations, decades of training having prepared his mind for this moment.
.543 - less than a tenth in favor of mercy.
His mouth set in a grim line, Asuma made two sharp moments once again, and resumed running to Isan.
More thought is required
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No part of this mission plays to Ino's strengths at all, and I don't want her to die.
I do want to run missions with her, but this is a bad opportunity for it.
Including Lee means either breaking MARS/Vampiric Dew OpSec or endangering ourselves by holding back our best tools.
(Non-central bonus objections: He can't participate in SC-based approaches, and his personality may clash with the "go slow and clear everything with kagome-level caution" approach. He doesn't offer much that an extra Mari clone wouldn't provide)
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