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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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FaintlySorcerous said:
[X] Action Plan: Taking Haru Seriously
Word count: 295
  • Isan team:
    • Clear chakra monsters, find allies among Isan's outcasts, as previously discussed.
      • Ask Yuno, Takahashi who to approach.
    • Ask Takahashi about the Yoshida/their clan head; if he thinks it's wise, request a meeting.
  • Bank run investigation:
    • Request a thorough, in-person update on the status of the investigation. Listen carefully.
    • Obviously the Hagomoro are somehow involved. How'd they get all that scrip without buying any from us?
      • Forgery?
        • Does the quantity of scrip collected match the quantity issued?
          • If not, is the difference approximately the amount the Hags spent?
        • How easily forged is scrip? Do we have evidence the Hagoromo had the materials to do so?
      • Joint venture with the Hyuga purchasing scrip and delivering it to the Hagoromo to spend?
        • Motive: low-risk financial opportunity, alliance with another conservative clan?
        • Does the amount of scrip the Hyuga bought match what the Hagoromo spent?
        • Do the Hyuga still have their scrip? (Can we ask Asuma to have them turn it over if so?)
        • Have the Hyuga also been spreading rumours?
    • Other questions:
      • Which businesses stopped accepting scrip suddenly? Who demanded ryo for scrip during the bank run? Who agitated/instigated/was loud in the crowd? Any patterns there? (Geographic, alliances, industries.)
      • What did the merchants that sold to the Hagoromo do with their scrip?
  • Haru:
    • Tone: serious, grateful, respectful. Use CCnJ (and explain it to him, with Akane's help).
    • You've done outstanding work vital to Goketsu's survival.
    • We wish to recognize this in a way you find meaningful.
    • Can we reward you? Is there anything in particular that you want which we (as Clan Head) can provide for you?
      • Think on it - this is an open offer.
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I've changed your plan to implement my suggestions/QOL, and bolded/underlined said changes for clarity:
  • Somewhat minor outdent to the Yoshida suggestion, since they aren't known to be outcasts (to us, at least).
  • Asked if we had evidence the Hagoromo had materials to make forgeries.
  • Reworded the Hyuga's involvement as a question, to match the 'Forgery?', similar rewording of sub-bullets for QOL.
  • Major changes to the Haru section, to address concerns people've had:
    • Deleted commenting on the diplomacy/apocalpyse thing. This is unnecessary and comes across as us (OG Gouketsu) bragging.
    • Massively cut the "reward" section to emphasize that we want to use our resources to help his own goals, instead of it just being us taking from him.
    • General QOL stuff.
 
I think I agree with sentiments that we should wait until the investigation is complete before doing the whole "great job, you deserve a reward" thing. Like, we can do that even if he fails, but it still feels more like a way to bring the investigation to a close, than something to do while he's still neck-deep in scrip receipts.
 
Edited my plan further: it's basically @FaintlySorcerous' plan but without the Haru section.
faflec said:
[X] Action Plan: An Attempt To Realign The Timeline
Word Count: 222
  • Isan team:
    • Clear chakra monsters, find allies among Isan's outcasts, as previously discussed.
      • Ask Yuno, Takahashi who to approach.
    • Ask Takahashi about the Yoshida/their clan head; if he thinks it's wise, request a meeting.
  • Bank run investigation:
    • Request a thorough, in-person update on the status of the investigation. Listen carefully.
    • Obviously the Hagomoro are involved. How'd they get all that scrip without buying any from us?
      • Forgery?
        • Does the quantity of scrip collected match the quantity issued?
          • If not, is the difference approximately the amount the Hags spent?
        • How easily forged is scrip? Do we have evidence the Hagoromo had the materials to do so?
      • Joint venture with the Hyuga purchasing scrip and delivering it to the Hagoromo to spend?
        • Motive: Low-risk financial opportunity, alliance with another conservative clan?
        • Does the amount of scrip the Hyuga bought match what the Hagoromo spent?
        • Do the Hyuga still have their scrip? (Can we ask Asuma to have them turn it over if so?)
        • Have the Hyuga also been spreading rumours?
    • Other questions:
      • Which businesses stopped accepting scrip suddenly? Who demanded ryo for scrip during the bank run? Who agitated/instigated/was loud in the crowd? Any patterns there? (Geographic, alliances, industries.)
      • What did the merchants that sold to the Hagoromo do with their scrip?
      • Do we have the Tower records of scrip collection?
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Rafin said:
No worse than they did before.
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So, an actual seal is just as disqualifyingly bad as our previous attempt at scrip, but it now costs sealmaster time to manufacture? This seems bad.
faflec said:
I've changed your plan to implement my suggestions/QOL, and bolded/underlined said changes for clarity:
  • Somewhat minor outdent to the Yoshida suggestion, since they aren't known to be outcasts (to us, at least).
  • Asked if we had evidence the Hagoromo had materials to make forgeries.
  • Reworded the Hyuga's involvement as a question, to match the 'Forgery?', similar rewording of sub-bullets for QOL.
  • Major changes to the Haru section, to address concerns people've had:
    • Deleted commenting on the diplomacy/apocalpyse thing. This is unnecessary and comes across as us (OG Gouketsu) bragging.
    • Massively cut the "reward" section to emphasize that we want to use our resources to help his own goals, instead of it just being us taking from him.
    • General QOL stuff.
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I've accepted most of these changes. I made two additions: one, I'm now explicitly requesting we align the timelines (~a week seems like long enough to meet with folks and slay chakra beasts and then assess where we stand) and I'm also asking if we have the Tower's records of scrip collection - which they would have, given that they're now either backing it or replacing it with ryo.
MadScientist said:
I think promising Haru a major reward is kinda not a great idea right now, given that we're financially in a terrible situation, and definitely can't afford to buy major rewards for people. Showing him we appreciate him is a great idea, don't get me wrong, but... can we have it be something we can do?

That, and he'd probably take this as "rich bastard trying to buy my loyalty with expensive bribes... I don't need this stuff, I literally gave most of my income to a random village... asshole clan bastard... grr...".
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Icehawk78 said:
Agreement with the above.
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Rafin said:
Why are we doing this while the case isn't solved yet and we have multiple big problems? Is this really the best we can come up with when it comes to making him feel valued?
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Pharos said:
Agreement with the above.
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MadScientist said:
I think I agree with sentiments that we should wait until the investigation is complete before doing the whole "great job, you deserve a reward" thing. Like, we can do that even if he fails, but it still feels more like a way to bring the investigation to a close, than something to do while he's still neck-deep in scrip receipts.
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I've changed some of the reward-based wording to address concerns about this being preemptive. The language has (hopefully!) shifted to 'please think about this for the end of the case', which is an expression of confidence as well as an admission that we don't know him well enough to pick a good reward.
FaintlySorcerous said:
[X] Action Plan: Taking Haru Seriously
Word count: 298
  • Isan team:
    • Clear chakra monsters, find allies among Isan's outcasts, as previously discussed.
      • Ask Yuno, Takahashi who to approach.
    • Ask Takahashi about the Yoshida/their clan head; if he thinks it's wise, request a meeting.
    • Have meetings/clear monsters while aligning the timelines.
  • Bank run investigation:
    • Request a thorough, in-person update on the status of the investigation. Listen carefully.
    • Obviously the Hagomoro are somehow involved. How'd they get all that scrip without buying any from us?
      • Forgery?
        • Does the quantity of scrip collected match the quantity issued?
          • If not, is the difference approximately the amount the Hags spent?
        • How easily forged is scrip? Could the Hagomoro have done so?
      • Hyuga mass-purchased scrip and delivered it to the Hagoromo to spend?
        • Motive: low-risk financial opportunity, alliance with another conservative clan?
        • Does the amount of scrip the Hyuga bought match what the Hagoromo spent?
        • Do the Hyuga still have their scrip? (Can we ask Asuma to have them turn it over if so?)
        • Have the Hyuga also been spreading rumours?
    • Other questions:
      • Which businesses stopped accepting scrip - any commonalities?
      • Who was prominent in the bank run crowd? (Insisted on ryo, agitated, was loud, was conspicuously quiet?)
        • Look for geographic patterns (locations of businesses/people) as well as clan, informal alliance, industry links.
      • What did the merchants that sold to the Hagoromo do with their scrip?
      • Do we have the Tower records of scrip collection?
  • Haru:
    • Tone: serious, grateful, respectful. Explain and use CCnJ with Akane's help.
    • You're doing outstanding work vital to Goketsu's survival.
    • Once this is over, we wish to recognize this in a way you find meaningful.
      • What would help you achieve your goals?
      • We don't know you well enough to simply give you something. (We'd like to change that.)
    • Please take some time to think about it.
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Shrooms said:
Wouldn't they have just obtained these from us? Besides, we already have our own records showing the Hagoromo spent a bunch of Scrip but never bought any. Asuma could just demand to know where they got theirs from if not from the Goketsu
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My reasoning is that folks may have squirreled scrip away after conducting transactions to which we were not a party (scrip was in wide use, IIRC) and that they might have volunteered that scrip when the once they announced they were taking it up.

It is definitely possible that they just asked us, but multiple sources of information/truth never hurt.
 
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Chapter 431 has been modified to acknowledge that scrip is wood, not paper.
eaglejarl said:
Haru's face tightened for a moment. "Your suggestion about tracking the scrip based on the wood? It was—"

"It didn't work," Akane said quickly. "The scrip is all ours and it was all carved in a couple of batches on the same equipment using the same source materials. There aren't enough differences to matter."
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I'm sure there are other references that are problematic but I haven't been able to find them. Now paying bounties of 1XP each.
 
Earth clone summons multiple Shadow Clones.

Shadow clones all do their tasks and pop.

Earth clone: I have become a senti- pop
 
faflec said:
Isan team:
  • Clear chakra monsters, find allies among Isan's outcasts, as previously discussed.
    • Ask Yuno, Takahashi who to approach.
  • Ask Takahashi about the Yoshida/their clan head; if he thinks it's wise, request a meeting.
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We could publicly talk about the Condor mission, Keiko just froze because she is Keiko, Ami decided to make the whole thing as public as possible by giving out titles to everyone:

Velorien said:
"Naruto, the only ninja to defeat a clan boss in living memory, has received the self-explanatory title of Queenslayer. In addition to its inherent quality of legend, it is a choice that should give the Tsuchikage pause as the world rolls slowly towards her inevitable death. Ami herself, who killed our true target—a powerful jōnin in her own right—with a single perfect blow that did not rely on miracles, has taken the title of Unsummoner. Hitachi and Kanata, whose subtly-deployed support ninjutsu may well have been the reason that all five of us survived to see Conjura's demise, received titles whose meaning will become apparent after the KEI ninjutsu submission, specifically He Who Bears the Sky on his Shoulders, or Skybearer, and She Whose Upraised Hands Calm the Gales, or Galestopper—someone had a burst of whimsy, but Hitachi accepted his title with stoicism, while Kanata was positively gleeful at hers."
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We should ask Takahashi about Isan's opinion on the Tailed beasts/Jinchuriki so that we can make it clear that Keiko is friends with one and use that for our advantage. Maybe we can pretend that we convinced the Mist ambassador to help, but that could make Mist look like a better ally than us.

And hopefully the next update starts at October 21, because of that line:

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"And so," Keiko said heavily, "while I am here mired in political dealings so wearying that I will not refer to them in any way again during the course of this conversation,
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So we only have 10 days left before the Holy month is over (or Yuno is wrong and this means absolute nothing, but Azai is still High Priest, so something should happen in my opinion)

If the Bank rush part of the plans would happen then we should be at October 27+ and basically have to hope that [Takahashi politics stuff] happened and worked. And I kind of doubt that it's that simple, Azai defeated Takahashi's alliance when he had the mayor advantage of having fullfiled "Akio's mission" and being Keiko's teacher.

He even says it himself:
Velorien said:
The Aida and the Inoue were fragile and easily shattered. The Kannagi lacked foresight. Tsukiko could not help playing games, even given the stakes, and Azai was the better player. And me? I played peacemaker when what was needed was immediate, overwhelming force."
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So I think we should ask Asuma what he is willing to give Isan, mention that we probably need to pay a lot more than with the Wakahisa, because those were just some "Wakahisa secrets" and are only useful to us and not a major alliance with a village and a bunch of asshole clans.

Maybe we can teach the outcasts our Jutsu (Non-pangolin) once we are sure that we have a realistic shot for the alliance? Asuma probably doesn't care much about Hozuki Mantle (originally from Mist), but Waterwhip, Vacuum step and Mari's stuff might also be ok. Takahashi can probably tell us if those things are considered high quality in Isan or not (that would also be interesting military intelligence for us to know).

Meanwhile the Isan team can figure out what else Takahashi could get from Leaf to convince the other clans, besides Keiko promising to defend Isan's independence.

Hey, we can do anti-Mist propaganda that way? "The offered Hot springs protection, but than basically took over!"
 
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Lailoken said:
How is the sanitation project coming?

Reminder that these people have literally never seen skywalkers before and a demonstration could allow us to suss out people with recent contact with the outside world from the locals by being prepared to carefully watch faces and body language before the surprise.
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Sure, offer to teach the Yoshida the seal by it's original creator. That way we can acquire some hostages friends.
 
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OMAKE: The Grue Explained
  • Apocrypha
    • RandomOTP said:
    In today's episode of "Preacher Hidan or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Grue" we see Hidan teach Kagome to embrace the absurdism inherent within reality.
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    Hidan: "Alright, kid, ya got this Uplift thing off the ground after all. Tell ya what: I can tell you've been itchin' to ask me about a buncha stuff since we started workin' together, but ya haven't 'cause you're afraid I'm gonna gut ya. So, go ahead - I might not be able to tell ya stuff above your pay grade, but I promise I won't so much as maim you for askin'."
    Hazo: "..."
    Hidan: "May Jashin strike me down right this instant if I so much as get annoyed at ya!"
    Hazo: "...I just watched you brutally murder over a hundred people."
    Hidan: "Kid, if you're impugning the reliability of my oaths to Jashin, we're gonna have a problem."
    Hazo: "...okay. Can you explain a little more about your religion? Why do you need to kill so many people?"
    Hidan: "So, it's like this: Jashin's hungry all the time. Got a hankerin' for spiritual energy - you'd need a philosopher to talk about exactly why, but, turns out, souls are pretty tasty stuff. But it ain't just souls: Jashin'll eat lotsa stuff. Chows down on ideas if there aren't enough people dyin', or if he's in a bad mood. That's what happened to the henge."
    Hazo: "Wait, what?"
    Hidan: "Yeah, used to be ya could just turn into a bird, fly around. You won't remember any of this, though. Jashin's gonna eat the memories right up."
    Hazo: "...what?"
    Hidan: "Anyways, Jashin's all-consuming hunger will engulf the whole world if we don't keep him fed. So, we gotta buncha acolytes out there makin' sure quota gets met. Little like an army of spiritual chefs with a veeery particular customer."
    Hazo: "..."
    Hidan: "What, you didn't think I was just butcherin' people for the fun of it, didja? I'm tryna save the world here, kid. It's where I keep all my stuff. This Uplift thing of yours might just work out to enough people dyin' on the regular that we can call it quits on the murder business."
    Hazo: "I think I need to sit down."
     
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    • FaintlySorcerous said:
    Hidan: "Alright, kid, ya got this Uplift thing off the ground after all. Tell ya what: I can tell you've been itchin' to ask me about a buncha stuff since we started workin' together, but ya haven't 'cause you're afraid I'm gonna gut ya. So, go ahead - I might not be able to tell ya stuff above your pay grade, but I promise I won't so much as maim you for askin'."
    Hazo: "..."
    Hidan: "May Jashin strike me down right this instant if I so much as get annoyed at ya!"
    Hazo: "...I just watched you brutally murder over a hundred people."
    Hidan: "Kid, if you're impugning the reliability of my oaths to Jashin, we're gonna have a problem."
    Hazo: "...okay. Can you explain a little more about your religion? Why do you need to kill so many people?"
    Hidan: "So, it's like this: Jashin's hungry all the time. Got a hankerin' for spiritual energy - you'd need a philosopher to talk about exactly why, but, turns out, souls are pretty tasty stuff. But it ain't just souls: Jashin'll eat lotsa stuff. Chows down on ideas if there aren't enough people dyin', or if he's in a bad mood. That's what happened to the henge."
    Hazo: "Wait, what?"
    Hidan: "Yeah, used to be ya could just turn into a bird, fly around. You won't remember any of this, though. Jashin's gonna eat the memories right up."
    Hazo: "...what?"
    Hidan: "Anyways, Jashin's all-consuming hunger will engulf the whole world if we don't keep him fed. So, we gotta buncha acolytes out there makin' sure quota gets met. Little like an army of spiritual chefs with a veeery particular customer."
    Hazo: "..."
    Hidan: "What, you didn't think I was just butcherin' people for the fun of it, didja? I'm tryna save the world here, kid. It's where I keep all my stuff. This Uplift thing of yours might just work out to enough people dyin' on the regular that we can call it quits on the murder business."
    Hazo: "I think I need to sit down."
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    [scribbles notes] Jashin... must be fed... devour the world... acolytes killed at Nagi...

    Carry on. Don't mind me.
     
    I'm re-posting the current incarnation of my plan (currently winning) to encourage folks to make suggestions etc.

    The immutable portions of the plan are:
    • The previous Isan plan should continue and we should lean on Takahashi for advice as to who else we should speak with.
    • We are going to very clearly lay out our thoughts on the bank run, focusing on the fact that the Hagomoro collected a large quantity of scrip without purchasing it from us directly.
    • We are going to make sure that Haru knows we value the work he is doing and ask him to think about what he might want as a reward, specifically framing this as a question of how we can help him advance/achieve his goals.
    I'm happy to rephrase things, remove things, or try to add things which do not directly interfere with one of those points (given good justifications etc.).

    FaintlySorcerous said:
    [X] Action Plan: Taking Haru Seriously
    Word count: 299
    • Isan team:
      • Clear chakra monsters, find allies among Isan's outcasts, as previously discussed.
        • Ask Yuno, Takahashi who to approach.
      • Ask Takahashi about the Yoshida/their clan head; if he thinks it's wise, request a meeting.
      • Have meetings/clear monsters while aligning the timelines.
    • Bank run investigation:
      • Request a thorough, in-person update on the status of the investigation. Listen carefully.
      • The Hagomoro are clearly involved. How'd they get all that scrip without buying any from us?
        • Forgery?
          • Does the quantity of scrip collected match the quantity issued?
            • If not, is the difference approximately the amount the Hagomoro spent?
          • How easily forged is scrip? Could the Hagomoro have done so?
        • Hyuga mass-purchased scrip, delivered it to the Hagoromo to spend?
          • Motive: low-risk financial opportunity, alliance with another conservative clan?
          • Does the amount of scrip the Hyuga bought match what the Hagoromo spent?
          • Do the Hyuga still have their scrip? (Can we ask Asuma to have them turn it over if so?)
          • Have the Hyuga also been spreading rumours?
        • Other theories?
      • Other questions:
        • Which businesses stopped accepting scrip - any commonalities?
        • Who was prominent in the bank run crowd? (Insisted on ryo, agitated, was loud, was conspicuously quiet?)
          • Look at clan, informal alliance, industry links along with geographic patterns (both businesses/people).
        • How did the merchants that sold to the Hagoromo use their scrip?
        • Are there Tower records of scrip collection?
        • Update on the Amori?
    • Haru:
      • Tone: serious, grateful, respectful. Explain and use CCnJ with Akane's help.
      • You're doing outstanding work vital to Goketsu's survival.
      • Once this is over, we wish to recognize this in a way you find meaningful.
        • What would help you achieve your goals?
        • We don't know you well enough to simply give you something. (We'd like to change that over time.)
      • Please take some time to think about it.
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