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Did you depose the Mizukage?"

Ami beamed. "Nope. Lord Utakata deposed the Mizukage. The very idea that I, a humble jōnin who'd mostly been away for a year, should have set up a youth organisation that was able to offer a traumatised ex-missing-nin a place to belong during the chaos after Nagi Island, when he had no connections whatsoever in Mist, while Kurosawa couldn't afford to publicly reject Yagura's legacy of missing-nin hatred because the sharks were still pissed at you guys for existing and also for humiliating Mist before the world at the Chūnin Exams? Laughable. Next you'll be suggesting that my deputies built on his fear and loathing of Yagura and his regime, which Kurosawa was taking too long to dismantle because she couldn't afford to alienate the traditionalists, needed the toolkit to reinforce her fragile rule, and wasn't taking my people seriously enough as political actors whose demands mattered. What a wild imagination you have, Hazō.

This is interesting. THIS is the level we could be playing at, hypothetically. Ami is a Jonin, sure, but a fairly new Jonin with not remarkable combat power. But this was just clever planning and good timing and making good use out of paradigm shifts. It wasn't event unknown to us: we knew that Ami and the AMI were brainwashing their own superweapon. Heck, if we hadn't messed things up so much with Naruto, we could easily have been one of his advisors, if/when he steps up to the plate next. Incidentally, Naruto is going to be one of our final challenges. Can't wait outlive him naturally. Can't really FOOM harder than the inspiration of FOOM. Through compelling speech and conviction and actually backing up good words, we'll need to convince Naruto to buy into uplift with us, as equals, even if he doesn't like us. And at that point, we're a couple inspiring scenes from the end credits.

Still, there's an important lesson here for you. None of this was set in stone. She could have alienated me, and then played a perfect game and been perfectly fine, because there was no way I was going to put in the time and resources and take the risks necessary to bring down a Kage, especially when I was happy minding my own business over here. Or she could have kept me on-side and screwed up in the massive, unimaginable, epic fashion she just did, and I'd have interceded with the boys and bailed her out—or, frankly, warned her up front, because none of this was unpreventable. But bitter enemies and big mistakes? No. Either you pick one or you end up dead.

This is a fairly reasonable lesson. I have a refrain I like to use "if you can't rely on me to be good, you can at least rely on me to be smart about it". It seems like it fits here. Though I'm curious what exactly the blunder was.

Three girls," Hazō corrected.

"I'm sorry?"

"Three girls," he repeated. "Kei, Tenten, Snowflake."

"Well sure," Ami said, "but only Kei and Tenten were…"

She broke off to stare at him. "Hazō, don't tell me…"

Hazō studied Ami's rare and delightful bemused expression. "Yeah, they're a lawfully not-married triad now. I guess they were going to surprise you at the ceremony, only then you couldn't make it."

Ami continued to stare. "They pulled off a three-way not-wedding involving a shadow clone in a way that was lawful enough to satisfy half of Leaf's power-holders and the Hagoromo."

"That's right."

Ami was silent for a full three seconds.

Then, a deeply, deeply ominous grin began to stretch slowly across her face. "That's it. I refuse to be outdone by my little sister. Say goodbye to the Leaf you knew."

Honestly I'm here for it. Like, I weirdly like Ami in this chapter. Maybe it's an absence makes the emotion-brain fonder thing, but I really enjoy Ami this chapter, and I feel like it was nice for Hazou too, which is not always the case.

Old news," Ami brushed him off. "My sister has just wielded the power of Law to rewrite society, the nature of romantic love, and the very definitions of metaphysics.

"Chaos must answer."

Hazō had a sudden, very vivid image of Leaf in ashes, with Ami and Kei holding each other atop the shattered ruins of the Hokage Tower. Ami was stroking Kei's hair.

The only way to save Leaf was to distract Ami with something very interesting and completely unrelated, just like Mari had distracted Orochimaru with… with… ah, crap.

Hazō realised, with perfect clarity, that if he did not tell her about the Orochimaru incident right now, then Ami would go away and hear Kei's version of the story first. And if he did tell her about the Orochimaru incident right now…

In his mind, Ami and Kei held each other atop the shattered ruins of the Hokage Tower. Mari's corpse lay at their feet.

The first scene was kind of cute. The second... Yeah, we have to bring it up. Now. But without trying to manipulate things, since we really can't do so successfully, and trying will just lose us the honest recap credit we'd otherwise get.

Technically untrue. You just need to model the entire modern-world civilization alongside Hazou's in-universe personality, and you could probably get a decent approximation just by getting a good read on the top 15 MfD players plus the thread logistics.

That would be a very good approximation. As someone who's confident they've never been above the 15 line of top players, I'm greatly relaxed, knowing Ami won't be able to predict me with an accuracy that almost starts to approach the other scary social-spec chaos agents in my life.

Thank you, @faflec, for reminding me of the idea, and you, @OliWhail, for conceiving of it to begin with.

[x] Ami Plan: When in Doubt, Go Meta
Word count: 366
Humour index: 30%

  • (After talking to Ami, proceed with the previous plan.)
  • Ask Ami to optimize your approach to the next topic, so that it works even given that she helped optimize it.
    • Spend the favour token, if necessary.
    • Avoid mentioning Asuma's inability to control Orochimaru.
    • If Ami refuses to humor this, try Pragmatic, then Door-in-the-Face, then Adversarial.
  • Subject: Suppose there was news you needed to tell Ami that might induce anger and counterproductive desires. How should you describe the situation to minimize such outcomes?
  • Approaches:
    • Door-in-the-Face: Start by conveying the situation's emotional truth and the sanctions taken to avoid its recurrence.
      • Conceit: Frame it as already "settled", requiring no further action. Lead with the emotional impact so Ami knows what to expect, and is ready to process it constructively.
      • Con: Might prime her to see it in the worst light.
      • (Clarification: "Sanctions" stand for Kei cutting ties with Mari. "Emotional truth" is that Kei feels that Mari sacrificed her for Hazou.)
    • Foot-in-the-Door: Chronological description that focuses on the sanctions at the end, vividly describing their effect.
      • Conceit: Provide Ami the experience of righteous justice and catharsis vicariously — no need for active action.
      • Con: Ami might consider the sanctions insufficient — bad combination with ending on an emotional note.
    • Factual: Recount the events objectively, no opinions or careful framing.
      • Conceit: Trusting Ami to act in everyone's best interests.
      • Con: Ami's priorities might be incompatible with that.
    • Empathetic: Draw parallels between the situation and some of Ami's actions.
      • Con: Ami might disagree with the parallels, or refuse to care about "hypocrisy".
      • (Clarification: Hazou might be to Mari what Kei is to Ami. Also, Ami invented the FGP and lets Kichi manipulate people into it, all to escape Oro.)
    • Pragmatic: Detail how counterproductive acting on the initial desires would be. Pivot to discussing constructive responses.
      • Cons: Ami might consider the counterproductive actions necessary.
    • Adversarial: Promise to take sanctions against Ami should she act on her desires, and/or ask to stay her hand for a favour.
      • Con: Damages your relationship with Ami.
      • (Clarification: "Sanctions" might range from refusing to cooperate with her projects to actively obstructing them to withholding FOOM to broadly damaging her standing in Leaf.)
    • Distracting: Stage a major crisis that would leave everyone too preoccupied to spend time on (this) drama.


@Velorien, does that meta-approach sound particularly entertaining to you?

No plans by pointer addition, please. "Continue previous plan" is fine, but if you want to add stuff to it then you need to copy over all the stuff you want from the previous plan

I'll vote for the plan if you unnest the previous plan @Noumero
 
xt. Incidentally, Naruto is going to be one of our final challenges. Can't wait outlive him naturally. Can't really FOOM harder than the inspiration of FOOM. Through compelling speech and conviction and actually backing up good words, we'll need to convince Naruto to buy into uplift with us, as equals, even if he doesn't like us. And at that point, we're a couple inspiring scenes from the end credits.

Naruto isn't going to be that hard to beat IMHO. He's super susceptible to genjustu so Mari will be able to take him out. Plus he has a big glowing weak point in having a seal in his stomach. We just have to disrupt that and he's basically a setting duck
 
Seven levels. They'd only managed to get as far as the third, and that was with Naruto for firepower and Kagome for safety.

"Did he say anything else about Level Seven?" Hazō asked.

Dr Yakushi cocked his head. "There was a throwaway comment that stuck with me, about those past apprentices proving themselves unworthy to assist with his research on the nature of life and death. Unfortunately, he did not deem me ready for further discussion on the topic. I would like to think that, if only we'd had more time together… No, never mind.

"Now," he leaned forward, hands tight on the armrests, "how far did you reach? Because if you've truly uncovered the mysteries of Level Seven…"

"I meant as head of a cooperating clan!" Hazō said. "We have overlapping goals, and I'm a sealmaster in my own right. I'd be especially happy to collaborate with you on your research into the nature of life and death."

Orochimaru raised an eyebrow.

"Just how far did you penetrate into my facility?"

"Not far," Hazō said. "It's something we heard from Dr Yakushi."

"And you do not believe that death is an inextricable part of the natural order, such that interference with it is immoral and a violation of the Sage's will, as well as being contrary to the Will of Fire and/or expected to invoke the wrath of various spirits?" Orochimaru asked curiously.

"Never," Hazō said fiercely. Finally, an opportunity to prove himself, and also say something unlikely to dig himself deeper. "Death is mankind's greatest enemy. It doesn't just bring incredible, constant suffering. It robs us of the opportunity to learn from our mistakes, and the ability to improve ourselves. It prevents us from taking responsibility for the future. It has the power to end our entire civilisation, our entire species, cutting off our infinite potential. If mankind is going to fulfil that potential and create an enlightened society, death has to go."

Orochimaru studied Hazō.

"I disdain appeals to emotion," he finally said.

Hazō gulped.

"On the other hand, I do not disdain common sense."

Hazō breathed a sigh of relief.

"Besides," Hazō added, "there has to be at least one deceased person you and I both want to see again."

"I wonder," Orochimaru said.

"I'm sure there's a way in which we can work together without the need for…" Hazō hesitated.

"Invasive surgery," Orochimaru supplied.

@faflec Has Orochimaru read the report about us opening a portal to the Naraka Path?

Additionally, how much of an open secret is our pursuit of this topic? I remember us talking about it to Ino in a random and unsecured teashop (and I recall directly telling Shikamaru about it as well).

I really don't want to make him interested in us again.

Also, yay, another lead for Project Necro. @eaglejarl, I hope you don't mind if we take a while to pursue this one. As fun as "Action Plan: Break Into Orochimaru's Basement" would be to write, I don't see it getting popular support.
 
Hazō looked at Mari, but this time she had no trick up her sleeve. Instead, she held still for a few long seconds, as if making up her mind.

"Actually," she said to Orochimaru, "I've been thinking about a research topic you might find interesting. Tell me, what are your thoughts on cognitively-independent shadow clones?"

Oh, no. Mari, no.

"Impossible," Orochimaru scoffed. "A dead end of research. Do you think I would require apprentices if I could have assistants of my genius with the potential to generate different ideas from the same stimuli?"

Hazō tried to open his mouth to stop her. He tried. But whenever he looked at Orochimaru, he felt a lingering shadow of that inexorable compulsion, of iron walls separating him from his will. To lie to Orochimaru would be to reject his own existence.

"There is one," Mari said. "I could introduce her to you—or to her original, at least. I believe she's currently in one of the far outbuildings, lecturing her summon on proper behaviour."

"The very notion is preposterous," Orochimaru said. "I'll believe it when I see it." He rose from his seat to follow her, carelessly knocking one of the ritual sacrifice cards to the floor.
Also, friendly reminder that SNOWFLAKE OPENLY ACTS AS COGNITEVLY-INDEPENDENT ENTITY.

Seriously, Mari told Orochimaru what is essentially common knowledge (even if many civilians think the Snow Globe is just an elaborate Nara social experiment) and that was all it took to send him straight to verify.

Orochimaru could have learned of this at any time and we would have had no warning. An offhand comment from Kabuto would have been enough.

@FaintlySorcerous @Noumero This might have some arugmentative value, in the right framing.
 
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@faflec Has Orochimaru read the report about us opening a portal to the Naraka Path?
HDK. He quite possibly has the report available but doesn't give a fuck.
Additionally, how much of an open secret is our pursuit of this topic? I remember us talking about it to Ino in a random and unsecured teashop (and I recall directly telling Shikamaru about it as well).
Reasonably open to anyone who cares about it (Shikamaru literally helped us make a mission work with a Hyuga and Sasuke.
 
HDK. He quite possibly has the report available but doesn't give a fuck.

Reasonably open to anyone who cares about it (Shikamaru literally helped us make a mission work with a Hyuga and Sasuke.
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkk

Orochimaru is a ticking time bomb on so many levels. For the past few months we've been a single read report away from him gaining a massive interest in our work on Project Necromancy and a single overheard comment from him learning about Snowflake.

I......I think we should get Ami's help. We need some contingencies.

(Side note. Why the fuck don't the Nara have a contingency prepared for Orochimaru becoming interested in their (or Mori's) bloodline?)
 
[X] EJ: Continue Previous Plan

This is interesting. THIS is the level we could be playing at, hypothetically. Ami is a Jonin, sure, but a fairly new Jonin with not remarkable combat power. But this was just clever planning and good timing and making good use out of paradigm shifts.
We aren't doing so bad ourselves, in my opinion. Sure, we're not making our plays in the exact same playground as Ami, but take a quick look at what we've done:
  • We achieved flight, a holy grail of ninja combat, and gave it to Leaf and irrevocably changed warfare forever.
  • We're the first missing-nins to ever come in from the cold, setting precedent for cases like Yuno and Utakata and many more to come.
  • We're the only man on the scene at the Sage-made Great Seal, epicenter of a reality-threatening crisis. We made the journey through fire and claw and are quite possibly the single most important sapient being alive right now simply by placing HOWS to make sure the Dragonwar doesn't become truly unwinnable.
  • We're pioneering education for civilians, giving them the tools to actualize their potential and prove their value to Leaf to everyone's benefit. We even got them to invent flight again, just for kicks.
  • And even just recently, our new Zoo Rush idea has become a key part of Leaf's military strategy, helping it stand on its own two feet against the might of Rock and Cloud.
Ami caught Oro's interest and walked away intact? We caught Oro's interest and rallied enough support to make him back down. Ami changed the fate of villages by elevating the clanless? We changed the fate of the world by giving the EN the tools to resist Akatsuki. Ami's responsible for deposing the Mizukage? Our joining Leaf got three Hokages killed.

We're not Ami-but-Leaf, playing Ami's game trying to match her move for move, we're Goketsu Hazou and our works eclipse something as simple and petty as a regime change, and we're just getting started. Ami's astoundingly competent at what she does, we can never hope to measure up to her sheer mastery of chaotic political systems, but while Ami's reshaping Mist and Leaf in her image we'll be over on O'Uzu cracking open the veil between life and death and undoing every tragedy, when we're not busy breaking some other part of the setting over our knee.

Not being better than Ami at being Ami isn't anything to be ashamed of, not when we have a list of accomplishments this long and a to-do list equally as large.
 
[X] EJ: Continue Previous Plan


We aren't doing so bad ourselves, in my opinion. Sure, we're not making our plays in the exact same playground as Ami, but take a quick look at what we've done:
  • We achieved flight, a holy grail of ninja combat, and gave it to Leaf and irrevocably changed warfare forever.
  • We're the first missing-nins to ever come in from the cold, setting precedent for cases like Yuno and Utakata and many more to come.
  • We're the only man on the scene at the Sage-made Great Seal, epicenter of a reality-threatening crisis. We made the journey through fire and claw and are quite possibly the single most important sapient being alive right now simply by placing HOWS to make sure the Dragonwar doesn't become truly unwinnable.
  • We're pioneering education for civilians, giving them the tools to actualize their potential and prove their value to Leaf to everyone's benefit. We even got them to invent flight again, just for kicks.
  • And even just recently, our new Zoo Rush idea has become a key part of Leaf's military strategy, helping it stand on its own two feet against the might of Rock and Cloud.
Ami caught Oro's interest and walked away intact? We caught Oro's interest and rallied enough support to make him back down. Ami changed the fate of villages by elevating the clanless? We changed the fate of the world by giving the EN the tools to resist Akatsuki. Ami's responsible for deposing the Mizukage? Our joining Leaf got three Hokages killed.

We're not Ami-but-Leaf, playing Ami's game trying to match her move for move, we're Goketsu Hazou and our works eclipse something as simple and petty as a regime change, and we're just getting started. Ami's astoundingly competent at what she does, we can never hope to measure up to her sheer mastery of chaotic political systems, but while Ami's reshaping Mist and Leaf in her image we'll be over on O'Uzu cracking open the veil between life and death and undoing every tragedy, when we're not busy breaking some other part of the setting over our knee.

Not being better than Ami at being Ami isn't anything to be ashamed of, not when we have a list of accomplishments this long and a to-do list equally as large.

Also, Ami toolkit is diametrically opposite to ours: we have limited informations(Spoons are not infinite) and limited understanding(the difference between the EN and real life) but massive ideas that change the world. Ami has limited ideas(It is telling that her best work was "maximize the resources of clanless ninja/young ninja", but a massive amount of information and calculation power to work with. Therere trying to be better at Ami than Ami isn't anything to be ashamed of, but it's also a type of game we're not equipped to play...unless we want to the QMs to buy a aspirin factory.
 
(Side note. Why the fuck don't the Nara have a contingency prepared for Orochimaru becoming interested in their (or Mori's) bloodline?)

"Found it." Shikamaru extracted a few sheets of paper from the Nara Contingencies Folder (vol. 7). "'In the event that Orochimaru shows undue interest in a Nara kinsman or ally'. The base material is decades old, dating from before his responsibility for the disappearances was any more than a statistical inference, but needless to say, it was urgently updated.

unless we want to the QMs to buy a aspirin factory.
That would have been the perfect Sagemas gift!
 
I would also be careful regarding OPSEC concerns such as the Iron Nerve, for example.
Added IN.
Ami is going to see through any manipulation we make. The only way forward is to be completely transparent and try to genuinely convince her. @Noumero, the "advice for a hypothetical situation" only works if Ami is willing to play along. She probably won't be. Not for this.
I think she would be. She'd previously been more reasonable than I'd expected wrt Mari vs. Kei conflict and Hazou's asking her to act constructive:
"Mari hadn't apologised for Swamp?" Ami asked. She'd gone low-affect, like Keiko did right after coming out of the Frozen Skein, but unlike Keiko's, her voice was thick with suppressed tension.

"Well, no," Hazō said. "By the time we found out about it in the first place, Mari had changed so much that it didn't seem meaningful to ask for an apology. It wouldn't be the same person giving it."

"Keiko?" Ami asked.

"She didn't forgive her," Hazō admitted. "And Mari never apologised after telling us she was responsible, and now Keiko's patience has run out. Things are pretty bad over there. Honestly, if you can think of a way to help, I'd really appreciate it. Right now, they're flat out not talking to each other apart from mission stuff, and I have no idea how to fix things."

Ami didn't respond.

"Ami," Akane said urgently after a few seconds, "please don't make this about blaming Mari. I agree that if Keiko needed an apology, Mari should have given her an apology, but what's important is for both of them to be happy again, and Keiko can't be happy while she's fighting with someone she loves."

"Mari will apologise," Ami said in an ice-cold voice. "To both of us."

Hazō had a very, very bad feeling about where this was going.

"Keiko said it wouldn't mean anything if it wasn't genuine," he said. "I don't know how to make that happen, but I'm confident that whatever you're thinking is not the answer."

"Not an idiot," Ami said. "No, you're right, I shouldn't overreact. I'm sorry about that. I'll give some thought to what I can do to help."
Besides that, I think you're overestimating how much "playing along" will be required. I think the meta-approach itself plays along with some of her stated views on her self-identity, and she might take it more seriously than an ordinary person would've. And if not, well... 1) Door-in-the-Face is the approach I would've taken if I tried to write an object-level plan, and I'm having Hazou default to it, so I think it works out on that front, 2) it would provide valuable data with regards to Ami's thought processes, which is valuable in itself.
Seriously, Mari told Orochimaru what is essentially common knowledge (even if many civilians think the Snow Globe is just an elaborate Nara social experiment) and that was all it took to send him straight to verify.

Orochimaru could have learned of this at any time and we would have had no warning. An offhand comment from Kabuto would have been enough.

@FaintlySorcerous @Noumero This might have some arugmentative value, in the right framing.
Good idea, integrated.
[x] Ami Plan: When in Doubt, Go Meta
Word count: 399
Humour index: 30%

  • (After Ami, follow the previous plan.)
  • Ask Ami to optimize your approach to the next topic, ensuring it works even given that she helped optimize it.
    • Spend the favour token, if necessary.
    • If Ami refuses, try Door-in-the-Face, then Pragmatic, then Adversarial.
    • Avoid mentioning IN and Asuma's inability to control Orochimaru.
  • Subject: Suppose there was a development that might induce anger and counterproductive desires in Ami. How should you describe it to minimize such outcomes?
  • Approaches:
    • Door-in-the-Face: Start by conveying the situation's emotional truth and the sanctions taken to avoid its recurrence.
      • Conceit: Lead with the emotional impact so Ami knows what to expect, preparing her to process it constructively. Then frame it as already "settled", requiring no further action.
      • Con: Might prime her to view it in the worst light.
      • (Clarification: "Sanctions" mean Kei cutting ties with Mari. "Emotional truth" is Kei feeling that Mari sacrificed her for Hazou.)
    • Foot-in-the-Door: Chronological description that endsby focusing on the sanctions, vividly describing their effect.
      • Conceit: Provide Ami the experience of righteous justice and catharsis vicariously — no need for active action.
      • Con: Ami might consider the sanctions insufficient — bad combination with ending on an emotional high.
    • Factual: Recount the events objectively, without opining.
      • Conceit: Trusting Ami to act fairly and constructively.
      • Con: Ami's "fairness" might disagree with yours.
    • Empathetic: Draw parallels between the situation and some of Ami's actions.
      • Con: Ami might disagree with them, or refuse to care about "hypocrisy".
      • (Clarification: Hazou might be to Mari what Kei is to Ami. Also, Ami invented the FGP and lets Kichi manipulate people into it, all to escape Oro.)
    • Pragmatic: Detail how counterproductive acting on the initial desires would be. Pivot to discussing constructive responses.
      • Cons: Ami might consider the counterproductive actions necessary.
    • Bargaining: Present your best-light interpretation of the situation.
      • Con: You expect Ami to disagree.
      • (Clarification: Mari did her best to save everyone, and it did work. Also: Oro might've learned of Snowflake independently later; this way, you at least had forewarning.)
    • Adversarial: Promise to take sanctions against Ami should she act on her desires, and/or ask to stay her hand, for a favour.
      • Con: Damages your relationship with Ami/indebts you.
      • (Clarification: "Sanctions" might range from refusing to cooperate with her projects to actively obstructing them to withholding FOOM to broadly damaging in-Leaf position.)
    • Distracting: Stage a novel major crisis, leaving everyone too preoccupied for (this) drama.
 
word count: 297​
[x] EJ: previous plan plus dogs​
  • Meet with Canteloupe and Cantilever about visiting Pangolin. Benefits:
    • Seeing new sights, meeting other Summon Clans and hearing their stories.
    • Influencing the world at the Conclave, and influencing Clans. Are there any nicer Pangolins?
    • Inform them that Hokage is willing to pay for this
  • Cannai:
    • Detail our clanmates's abilities and elements. If Cannai knows any jutsu we could share to keep them safe, they would be appreciated.
    • By the way, do you know why Pantsaa would be so scared of a Mori Clan member using the Frozen Skein on the Seventh Path?
      • Explain Thinker Clans and the Five to your understanding if requested.
    • Does he know how the Leopards got a scroll after splitting with the cats
  • Celebrate Akane's birthday.
  • Hazoulation:
    • Give the team a bonus.
    • Suggestion for waterproofing: soak in tannins, interweave or layer with a waterproof material (linen, hemp or wool), or treat with wax
    • Congratulate them and thank them, but note that their work isn't over .
      • Tools like this could be imperative to winning the war
      • Any improvements to stability, flight , manufacturability, and duration could be helpful.
    • Train Akane and any others on Team Uplift to use them from skytowers – using Shadow Clones for safety?.
    • Update Asuma on the current capabilities
      • The first successful Skyslider "Michiki", has been made.
      • Is this useful enough to think about scaling production up?
      • These would also allow for ninja to safely invade deep into enemy territory
        • Such as into Lightning where the Kraken Scroll is located
          • Which we can acquire without causing a diplomatic incident since Cloud already invaded
          • Give Asuma all intel we have on the scroll
          • Stress how obtaining another friendly summoner would help deal with the Dragons
      • Emphasize the contributions of the civilian team
        • Politely request that he visit Michiki in person for congratulations.
 
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