I believed all the genin died, and those who did survive are basically veteran chunins.
No, a few of them lived. I'll pull up exact quotes later but I think 3 genin survived and have since been adopted. Many genin were promoted and then died, and a couple who weren't promoted also died. We also adopted I want to say 2 academy students who will be genin at some point in the near future
 
Can you imagine the fights Honoka and Harumitsu would get into?

"Hazou-sensei is better than Kagome-sensei!"
"You shut your mouth, Harumitsu! Kagome sensei wins all!"
 
@Velorien

Is it possible to have Kei fill a role?

The terms of her marriage, as I understand it are:
  • Is a member of both clans.
  • Uses the Nara name.
    • This is inferred from her doing so. She might also be able to go double-barrelled if she likes.
  • Cannot betray the secrets of either clan.
  • If one clan is about to do something that would step on the others' toes she needs to warn them.
  • Where Nara and Gouketsu interests conflict, Nara has priority.
  • Must obey Shikamaru but not Hazou
    • Ordered by Shikamaru, and not signed off on by Hazou, so probably not actually a part of the agreement. If this was pressed, I don't see Shikamaru winning the argument unless he was willing to divorce her over it — which he likely isn't.
    • Also, frankly, this seems to go against the central premise of "member of both clans" that was a major conflict of that part of the story. If you aren't compelled to obey a clan head, then in what sense are you in the clan?
    • Also also, Vel, you forgot this was even a thing once, confidently asserted that she had to obey Hazou, because otherwise the "dual clan" thing makes no sense, and I had to remind you that you'd written otherwise.
    • IMO this part could just be easily retconned that she has to obey Hazou by removing that line from the chapter where she read the terms of her marriage.
*clears throat*

Okay, that got away from me a little, because I was distracted by a tangent, but my point is that it doesn't really seem that Kei couldn't fill an organisational role based on those terms?

Obviously, she's busy as all hell already, but I don't see any reason in the above as to why she (or her shadow clone sisters) couldn't be doing core Gouketsu work if required.

The first thing to note is that you do not know the actual terms of Kei's marriage. Those were decided between Jiraiya and Shikaku as part of their deal, and Hazō never looked into them. The items you list above come from the Nara Consort Welcome Pack, which may or may not reflect them.

You do know that Kei's situation is highly unusual. Normally, once you marry into a clan, you're expected to expend your time and effort on that clan's behalf; your connections to your old clan are primarily social. Lord Hagoromo would be bewildered and appalled if his political wife (should he have one) went on regular strolls to her parents' compound to do their accounts while there was work waiting for her at home.

In Kei's case, her degree of freedom is influenced by three noteworthy factors.

1) The Nara are one of the world's most progressive clans (as far as Hazō knows).

2) Shikamaru and Kei share a close friendship rare among politically-married couples.

3) Kei has an independent power base practically unheard of among clan consorts.

None of this matters to your actual question, however, for the following reasons:

1) Whether Hazō can give Kei orders only matters if he wants to make her take a role against her and Shikamaru's wishes (which would lead to backlash from the Nara, the KEI, and Kei herself).

2) Kei physically can't take on a new full-time job; Hazō would have to order her to drop existing activities (which would lead to backlash from the Nara, the KEI, and Kei herself).

3) Snowflake's legal status is not the same as Kei's legal status; rather, it is a black hole which you will go insane if you stare into for too long.

@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail @Paperclipped The Goketsu has adopted a number of ninja beyond the core Uplift group. Haru, Atomu, Reo, and Mai are the most notable, but we have quite a few Genin as well. What is Mari's opinion of their skillsets in the context of filling a leadership role?

Related: Atomu and Reo are apparently charismatic or have a strong personality, but I am unsure how this translates to their ability to fulfill a leadership role based on the mechanics.
It would be unusual to appoint a new adoptee to a leadership role, but perhaps in time they could grow into a suitable candidate, and you could sheperd them in that direction by appointing them below someone who currently fills the role (as with Mari and Haru).

Atomu or Reo might make a good ambassador. In Mari's estimation, Mai is not charismatic in the right way.

Note that there are potential narrative consequences associated with allocating a crippled ninja to a role. Among other things, this is why Mari does not think Atomu/Reo/Mai would make a good diplomat, as other clans would not respect them at all.
 
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  • Ambassador:
    • Responsible for interacting with the common people.
    • The ambassador adds their Rapport AB to the organisation's Reputation score.
    • The Gōketsu Clan does not currently have an ambassador.
  • Administrator:
    • Responsible for managing the clan's internal affairs.
    • The administrator adds their Management AB to the organisation's Bureaucracy score.
    • Gaku is currently the Gōketsu Clan's administrator.
  • Diplomat:
    • Responsible for building relationships with other clans and groups of interest.
    • The diplomat adds their Empathy AB to the organisation's Influence score.
    • The Gōketsu Clan does not currently have a diplomat.
  • General:
    • Responsible for the clan's military readiness.
    • The general adds their Intimidation AB to the organisation's Might score.
    • The Gōketsu Clan does not currently have a general.
  • Leader:
    • Responsible for inspiring and directing the clan.
    • The leader adds their Presence AB to the organisation's Loyalty score.
    • Hazō is currently the Gōketsu Clan's leader.
  • Spymaster:
    • Responsible for intelligence gathering and counterespionage.
    • The spymaster adds their Deceit AB to the organisation's Intelligence score.
    • Mari is currently the Gōketsu Clan's spymaster.
  • Treasurer:
    • Responsible for handling the clan's lands and material assets.
    • The treasurer adds their Examination AB to the organisation's Wealth score.
    • The Gōketsu Clan does not currently have a treasurer.
My thoughts...
  • Akane has already served as an Ambassador, of sorts, with the clanless and civilians on the estate. We should reaffirm this. It's been stated within the narrative that almost everyone likes Akane. Even Tsunade likes Akane.
  • Noburi has kind of been the Goketsu diplomat. He and Akane have been general troubleshooters, but [that one social spec jonin whose name escapes me at the moment] saw Noburi as the power behind Hazou, the one who ruled in the shadows. Given that Noburi is basically tied to Leaf for the foreseeable future, and given that Noburi is already on good terms with most jonin of Leaf due to facilitating their training... it seems like fertile ground to build something more official.
  • Yuno is a good combat ninja and should be in charge of the clan's military readiness. She's strong, she's smart, and Noburi said that Yuno was looking to be more useful with the clan. Put her as the General.
  • Kagome should be the Goketsu Treasurer. Kagome likely has a high Examine stat (not to mention possible prior experience, due to his time as a black-ops info spec).
 
My thoughts...
  • Akane has already served as an Ambassador, of sorts, with the clanless and civilians on the estate. We should reaffirm this. It's been stated within the narrative that almost everyone likes Akane. Even Tsunade likes Akane.
  • Noburi has kind of been the Goketsu diplomat. He and Akane have been general troubleshooters, but [that one social spec jonin whose name escapes me at the moment] saw Noburi as the power behind Hazou, the one who ruled in the shadows. Given that Noburi is basically tied to Leaf for the foreseeable future, and given that Noburi is already on good terms with most jonin of Leaf due to facilitating their training... it seems like fertile ground to build something more official.
  • Yuno is a good combat ninja and should be in charge of the clan's military readiness. She's strong, she's smart, and Noburi said that Yuno was looking to be more useful with the clan. Put her as the General.
  • Kagome should be the Goketsu Treasurer. Kagome likely has a high Examine stat (not to mention possible prior experience, due to his time as a black-ops info spec).
I will observe that Noburi and Kagome have their own projects, and making them spend most of their time on this full-time job might not be the best use of them.
 
it would be cool if we could get some civilians to work as general, treasurer, spymaster, and ambassador.

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Note that there are potential narrative consequences associated with allocating a crippled ninja to a role. Among other things, this is why Mari does not think Atomu/Reo/Mai would make a good diplomat, as other clans would not respect them at all.
if the in-character official diplomat was a healthy ninja. who was always accompanied by the unofficial but de-facto civilian diplomat. who tells them what to say. could we use the unofficial civilian's diplomat AB bonus? while still having the clans respect the ninja diplomat?

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also i think i trust the Nara enough to give them our clan roles
 
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I say all positions are to be co occupied by gaku and kagome even the clan lord. Let chaos rule.
 
In fairness, I think they were actually talking about the nearly-failed reverse summoning, but nonetheless I gotta say interdimensional seizure still sounds worse
I don't think TYS points have to be strictly more traumatizing then all previous instants. Otherwise order of trauma we subject hazou to would matter a lot. And hazou got TYS points from oro lab which was nowhere near worse then earlier trauma he suffered

Edit: can hazou get TYS for the sunset racer and the neck nin?
 
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I don't think TYS points have to be strictly more traumatizing then all previous instants. Otherwise order of trauma we subject hazou to would matter a lot. And hazou got TYS points from oro lab which was nowhere near worse then earlier trauma he suffered

Edit: can hazou get TYS for the sunset racer and the neck nin?
I don't think it needs to be worse than all previous trauma necessarily, it's hard to measure trauma anyways. But if it's a scenario he has basically already experienced, and it isn't nearly as bad as it was the first time, I don't see the need to gain a TYS.

When he looked at the Great Seal and fucked up the reverse summoning he had a seizure in transit, this time he had no lasting injury when the reverse summoning almost failed.
 
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Yeah. "If they don't suffer a consequence, it's probably not TYS-worthy" sounded like a good rule of thumb.
Well... things like your best friend dying probably doesn't inflict a consequence

I will observe that Noburi and Kagome have their own projects, and making them spend most of their time on this full-time job might not be the best use of them.
Hazou manages to do his projects/teaching and be clan head, though admittedly not every role may be as time intensive as the rest. I get the vibe Hazou is mostly just checking in on everything or maybe tweaking here and there rather than directly managing anything. Still, it's possible e.g. the treasurer role could go the same way.
 
HAZOU, DOWNING A 5L BOTTLE OF OUTERADE IN ONE GULP AND BECOMING BETTER AT SEALING: Beyond your comprehension. Sounds like a skill issue.
VELORIEN: I told you those XP lootboxes were a bad idea.

EAGLEJARL: I wasn't the one who said Out resistance should be a Resolve roll.

PAPERCLIPPED: [whistles innocently as players carry on with FOOM optimisation]
 
EAGLEJARL: I wasn't the one who said Out resistance should be a Resolve roll.
Hey now. I want to make it clear:
Cool, Hazō detects the Dragon in time to react [...], he will attempt to unsummon himself. This requires that he not give in to the Out seizure caused by the presence of a Dragon, the difficult of which is increased by the fact that the Dragon in question is focused on killing him and his friends [...] minimum TN of 40 [...] Resolve [...]

Hazō, Resolve (29) + invoke "Toughened Mind" + invoke "Promising Sealing Student" + tag "Getting Hit With This Aura Was The Whole Point of Coming Here Because I Wanted A Resolve Unlock" + 8 (dump remaining 8 FP for the flat bonus) + 0 (dice): 47

Cool. Hazō escapes back to the Human Path and the quest continues.
That was totally him.

PAPERCLIPPED: [whistles innocently as players carry on with FOOM optimisation]
Is it really so bad to want to give Hidan's statsheet an on-screen test?
 
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