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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Velorien said:
VELORIEN: I told you those XP lootboxes were a bad idea.

EAGLEJARL: I wasn't the one who said Out resistance should be a Resolve roll.

PAPERCLIPPED: [whistles innocently as players carry on with FOOM optimisation]
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Honestly even if the XP lootboxes thing does sorta break things mechanically, it would have been much weirder if literally noone could "Stand on the shoulders of giants" as it were on knowledge based skills like Sealing and medical knowledge, and instead everyone had to reinvent the proverbial wheel by themselves.
 
Just rearranging the organisation infopost so it's easier to read...

Administrator: Gaku
(Management AB to Bureaucracy)
  • Bureaucracy is how efficiently your organisation is run; allows you to more effectively take advantage of opportunities or respond to problems as they arise.
  • Administrator is responsible for managing the clan's internal affairs.

Diplomat: EMPTY
(Empathy AB to Influence)
  • Influence measures your organisation's political sway through concrete personal connections, understanding of key external players, and ability to create consequences for those that disagree with your plans.
  • Diplomat is responsible for building relationships with other clans and groups of interest.

Spymaster: Mari
(Deceit AB to Intelligence)
  • Intelligence is how effectively your organisation can acquire pertinent information and uncover secrets, as well as how effectively your organisation can monitor and prevent other groups from gathering intelligence on you.
  • Spymaster is responsible for intelligence gathering and counterespionage.

Leader: Hazou
(Presence AB to Loyalty)
  • Loyalty is how loyal the people of your organisation are to the organisation's leadership and its overarching cause; allows the organisation to work harder on tasks of particular importance.
  • Leader is responsible for inspiring and directing the clan.

General: EMPTY
(Intimidation AB to Might)
  • Might is your organisation's capacity for physical violence; can be used as a threat, or directly exercised.
  • General is responsible for the clan's military readiness.

Ambassador: EMPTY
(Rapport AB to Reputation)
  • Reputation is how your organisation is perceived in the public eye; affects passive attitudes of characters and other groups towards members of your organisation.
  • Ambassador is responsible for interacting with the common people.

Treasurer: EMPTY
(Examination AB to Wealth)
  • Wealth represents money, businesses, lands, and other material or financial assets owned by your organisation, especially those that produce ongoing value.
  • Treasurer is responsible for handling the clan's lands and material assets.
 
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roobee said:
if the in-character official diplomat was a healthy ninja. who was always accompanied by the unofficial but de-facto civilian diplomat. who tells them what to say. could we use the unofficial civilian's diplomat AB bonus? while still having the clans respect the ninja diplomat?
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However little clans respect a crippled ninja, they will respect a ninja commanded by a civilian far, far less.

In general, please do not try to game these rules with multiple people or switching roles around quickly or such. You do not have to appoint anyone to fill any role. If you would like to, you can, but there will be no allotment for chicanery.
 
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MadScientist said:
Just rearranging the organisation infopost so it's easier to read...

Administrator: Gaku
(Management AB to Bureaucracy)
  • Bureaucracy is how efficiently your organisation is run; allows you to more effectively take advantage of opportunities or respond to problems as they arise.
  • Administrator is responsible for managing the clan's internal affairs.
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  • Perfect administrator.
  • Maybe assign some civilians to be his aides and learn on the job to improve our overral Bureaucracy score?

Diplomat: EMPTY
(Empathy AB to Influence)
  • Influence measures your organisation's political sway through concrete personal connections, understanding of key external players, and ability to create consequences for those that disagree with your plans.
  • Diplomat is responsible for building relationships with other clans and groups of interest.
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  • Noburi or Akane are plausible choices.
  • Don't pick a crippled ninja or civilian, please. As funny as it would be.

Spymaster: Mari
(Deceit AB to Intelligence)
  • Intelligence is how effectively your organisation can acquire pertinent information and uncover secrets, as well as how effectively your organisation can monitor and prevent other groups from gathering intelligence on you.
  • Spymaster is responsible for intelligence gathering and counterespionage.
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  • Perfect spymaster.
  • A long long time ago, Mari began looking for teenage civilians she could train into social specs. Not heard anything more on that front, but it may improve our intelligence to have a few mini-Maris running around. I believe Haru is already being nudged into this role?

Leader: Hazou
(Presence AB to Loyalty)
  • Loyalty is how loyal the people of your organisation are to the organisation's leadership and its overarching cause; allows the organisation to work harder on tasks of particular importance.
  • Leader is responsible for inspiring and directing the clan.
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  • Absolutely zero out of ten smoothbrain pick. This should clearly be Jiraiya. Swap immediately.

General: EMPTY
(Intimidation AB to Might)
  • Might is your organisation's capacity for physical violence; can be used as a threat, or directly exercised.
  • General is responsible for the clan's military readiness.
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  • Yuno or Haru are plausible choices.
  • Maybe one of the crippled ninja could re-train as an Intimidation-spec?

Ambassador: EMPTY
(Rapport AB to Reputation)
  • Reputation is how your organisation is perceived in the public eye; affects passive attitudes of characters and other groups towards members of your organisation.
  • Ambassador is responsible for interacting with the common people.
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  • IIRC, Vel said Atomu could plausibly fit this role. If not him, then, again, Noburi or Akane are also plausible.

Treasurer: EMPTY
(Examination AB to Wealth)
  • Wealth represents money, businesses, lands, and other material or financial assets owned by your organisation, especially those that produce ongoing value.
  • Treasurer is responsible for handling the clan's lands and material assets.
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  • Kagome, maybe...? It would drag him away from research, though...
  • IMO we should just train a civilian or five to be a Hecking Good Accountant.
 
cog-nito said:
Honestly even if the XP lootboxes thing does sorta break things mechanically, it would have been much weirder if literally noone could "Stand on the shoulders of giants" as it were on knowledge based skills like Sealing and medical knowledge, and instead everyone had to reinvent the proverbial wheel by themselves.
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To some degree sealmasters are reinventing the wheel, each and every one of them. But more importantly, the slow advancement of the field over time, the gradual accumulation of institutional knowledge that makes it easier and easier to learn and grow, can be easily represented by lower TNs.
 
Recommendation to QMs (@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail @Paperclipped):

Provost
(Highest Research-stat AB to Innovation)
  • Innovation is used for research projects that involve general work from the organisation, rather than the attention of specific individuals (like with the sanitation and hang-glider projects).
  • A provost is responsible for overseeing and consulting on the research projects conducted by the organisation.
This should streamline civilian engineering projects if you're currently just eyeballing how progress is going.
 
MadScientist said:
Recommendation to QMs (@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail @Paperclipped):

Provost
(Highest Research-stat AB to Innovation)
  • Innovation is used for research projects that involve general work from the organisation, rather than the attention of specific individuals (like with the sanitation and hang-glider projects).
  • A provost is responsible for overseeing and consulting on the research projects conducted by the organisation.
This should streamline civilian engineering projects if you're currently just eyeballing how progress is going.
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Chief Technical Director is a less exotic term. Moreover, we don't have anyone explicitly suited for this position, as everybody basically worked on a sum total of one engineering project. We lack the technical maturity to appoint one.

I would prefer an engineer who worked across projects and learned multiple discipline to take the rein.
 
Kiba said:
Chief Technical Director is a less exotic term. Moreover, we don't have anyone explicitly suited for this position, as everybody basically worked on a sum total of one engineering project. We lack the technical maturity to appoint one.

I would prefer an engineer who worked across projects and learned multiple discipline to take the rein.
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"Provost" isn't exotic. It's just a senior university post. Also, mechanics-as-written, any researcher-spec (most likely Hazou or Kagome) would be a good fit.
 
ok we doin this, it's QUINOA time

Shrooms said:
No, a few of them lived. I'll pull up exact quotes later but I think 3 genin survived and have since been adopted. Many genin were promoted and then died, and a couple who weren't promoted also died. We also adopted I want to say 2 academy students who will be genin at some point in the near future
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Velorien said:
  • The two Academy students are still Academy students.
  • The medically-retired ninja is still there.
  • Atomu, Reo, and Mai were adopted, as you said
  • The other two semi-crippled chūnin are dead. They were sent on what was expected to be a low-risk patrol mission along the eastern border with two other able-bodied chūnin but they got unlucky and died: that was when Cloud made their move.
  • Of the 31 genin:
    • 5 joined the KEI. You can check to see if they are still alive.
    • 1 ran off because he thought he was going to be tortured by a fish sex cult leader
    • 10 died on various missions
    • 8 were promoted to chūnin and then died on various missions
    • 4 were promoted to chūnin and are still alive and living on the estate
    • 3 are still genin and living on the estate
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Additionally, this discord message from EJ (of 75% confidence) declares that every ninja on the estate that is still alive has been adopted after offscreen processes (presumably Mari trading around for slots, etc).
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So, the confirmed SUM TOTAL of the ninja currently on the Goketsu estate is the following:
Hazou (Clan Head) (Chuunin)
Akane (Chuunin)
Noburi (Chuunin)
Kei (Part-time) (Chuunin)
Snowflake (Chuunin)
Kagome (Chuunin)
Mari (Jonin)

Yuno (Special Jonin)
Haru (Chuunin)
Atomu (Chuunin)
Reo (Chuunin)
Mai (Chuunin)

Kyo Jin (Chuunin)
Yokoyari Yuma (Chuunin)
??? (Chuunin)
??? (Chuunin)

??? (Genin)
??? (Genin)
??? (Genin)

??? (Academy Student)
??? (Academy Student)

??? (Medically Retired)

Putting our total ninja count at 22 ninja (21 if you don't count Snowflake, 20 if you don't count Snowflake or Kei.) Subtract 3 more from this number to count the total number of field-ready ninja.

OK, time for the part that needs clarifying:

I am not sure about Honoka's status (I know at minimum that she isn't one of the other two academy students mentioned). I lean towards her not being adopted yet, that could be a fun interlude if one of the QMs isn't feeling a plan. Or we can just vote to adopt her when we get back.

Addtionally, some even fuzzier statuses:
eaglejarl said:
No. They are all mostly clanless ninja who don't live on the estate. (I done been faflec'd)

Nakano bowed out because he didn't feel up to it, but the rest are still studying. Kagome-sensei's students in order of acquisition are:
  1. Hazō (sealing, general life advice that mostly relates to explosives)
  2. Honoka (math, other academics, cheating, general life advice that mostly relates to explosives)
  3. Genda, Sugiyama, and Jinno (sealing, general life advice that mostly relates to explosives)
  4. Reo (sealing, general life advice that mostly relates to explosives)
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EJ claims he was faflec'd by this post:
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

No. They are all clanless ninja who don't live on the estate. Yes. Nakano bowed out because he didn't feel up to it, but the rest are still studying. Kagome-sensei's students in order of acquisition are: Hazō (sealing, general life advice that mostly relates to explosives) Honoka (math...
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So I take that to mean that some of them do in fact live on the estate? This could refer exclusively to Reo, or it could apply to some or all of his sealing students. Maybe even Nakano if he lived with us, but just stopped learning sealing. If they do live on the estate, then presumably they are among those that were adopted, or they were adopted in additon to those numbers. At the least, it sounds like Sugiyama is also 'one of ours' based on one of the quotes faflec pulled up. The QMs could just declare that some of those "??? (genin)/(chuunin)" higher up in this post are some of Kagome's students, or maybe Kagome's students joined KEI instead, or maybe they joined us on top of the other people bringing our sum total of ninja to 25 or 26 ninja.
 
I SWEAR there is a bit somewhere where Akane is sparring with another estate ninja and they put her in some kind of Looney Tunes trap or something and I can't find it. I assume she says what their name is at that part though.
 
Shrooms said:
Well... things like your best friend dying probably doesn't inflict a consequence


Hazou manages to do his projects/teaching and be clan head, though admittedly not every role may be as time intensive as the rest. I get the vibe Hazou is mostly just checking in on everything or maybe tweaking here and there rather than directly managing anything. Still, it's possible e.g. the treasurer role could go the same way.
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Nah, your best friend dying is a TN 45 resolve roll to not lose a round staring at their corpse
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
To some degree sealmasters are reinventing the wheel, each and every one of them. But more importantly, the slow advancement of the field over time, the gradual accumulation of institutional knowledge that makes it easier and easier to learn and grow, can be easily represented by lower TNs.
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Interesting, I conceptualize it more as generations of sealmasters eventually researching better versions of the Sealing stunt.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
To some degree sealmasters are reinventing the wheel, each and every one of them. But more importantly, the slow advancement of the field over time, the gradual accumulation of institutional knowledge that makes it easier and easier to learn and grow, can be easily represented by lower TNs.
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There is a meaningful difference between "More XP lootboxes lying around" vs "Lower TNs" in that the rest of your pyramid does not experience the inflation of accumulated knowledge. Your pyramid could still constrain your sealing ability despite available notes, whereas lowering TNs to reflect accumulated knowledge explicitly means you don't need Sealing to be as high in your pyramid to achieve the same results. Whether one or the other is better or worse simulation-wise is certainly debatable. But it's not like you can monofocus Sealing & Callig as it is either, so being constrained by pyramid is not new
 
Speculation.

Administrator: Sasori
(Management AB to Bureaucracy)

Diplomat: Itachi
(Empathy AB to Influence)

Spymaster: Mari
(Deceit AB to Intelligence)

Leader: EMPTY
(Presence AB to Loyalty)

General: Hidan
(Intimidation AB to Might)

Ambassador: Kisame
(Rapport AB to Reputation)

Treasurer: Kakuzu
(Examination AB to Wealth)
 
Clan Overview

(Thanks to @Shrooms for compiling the list of names.)

Council
  • Leader: Hazou
    • +2 to Loyalty
    • Chunin
    • FOOMer
    • Sealmaster
    • Dog Summoner
    • Earth Element
  • Administrator: Gaku
    • +? to Bureaucracy
    • Civilian
    • Management-spec
  • Treasurer:
  • Spymaster: Mari
    • +? to Intelligence
    • Jonin
    • FOOMer
    • I&S and Genjutsu-spec
    • Water, Lightning, Wind Elements
  • General:
  • Diplomat:
  • Ambassador:

Department of Combat
  • Akane
    • Chunin
    • FOOMer
    • Taijutsu-spec
    • Fire Element
  • Kei
    • Part-time
    • Chunin
    • FOOMer
    • RW-spec
    • Pangolin and Snowflake Summoner
    • Wind Element
  • Snowflake
    • SC
    • Chunin
    • FOOMer
    • RW-spec
    • Wind Element
  • Yuno
    • Jonin
    • MW-spec
    • Lightning Element
  • Haru
    • Chunin
    • Taijutsu-spec
    • Lightning Element
  • Jin
    • Chunin
    • Taijutsu-spec
    • Water Element
  • Yuma
    • Chunin
    • MW-spec
    • Wind Element

Department of Research
  • Kagome
    • Chunin
    • Sealmaster and Crypto-spec
    • Arachnid Summoner
    • Lightning Element
  • Noburi
    • Chunin
    • Potential to FOOM if we get him SC
    • Medic and Ninjutsu-spec
    • Toad Summoner
    • Water Element

Department of Misc
  • Atomu
    • Chunin
    • Disabled (missing fingers and an eye)
    • Earth Element
  • Reo
    • Chunin
    • Disabled (missing right leg above the knee)
    • Fire, Lightning, Earth Elements.
  • Mio
    • Chunin

Tennants
  • "Gouketsu" Haruki
    • Medically Retired
  • Fuyuki Kazushi
    • Genin
    • Sealmaster
  • Jinno Yudai
    • Genin
    • Sealmaster
  • Sugiyama Shinji
    • Genin
    • Sealing Apprentice

Trapped on Another Path
  • Jiraiya
    • S-ranker
    • Disabled (amnesia)
    • Sealmaster, Ninjutsu-spec, Taijutsu-spec, Social-spec.
    • (Ex-?)Toad Summoner
    • Fire, Water, Lightning, Earth, Wind Elements
  • Mai
    • Chunin
    • Disabled (amnesia, burns, and pyrophobia)
    • Ninjutsu-spec
    • Fire Element
  • Misa
    • Chunin
    • Disabled (amnesia)
    • RW-spec.
    • Fire Element.
 
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