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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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faflec said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail My understanding is that the Iwa negotiations have been afoot for the whole day. What information do we have on how that's proceeding and what the other clans have been doing?

I mean, I'm presuming that we've gotten something.
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They've been running around helping with disaster relief and doing a great job of it. Always escorted by Leaf ninja, but they've been the soul of courtesy and helpfulness to every single person in Leaf. They've even been decent to the civilians!
 
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Shadowwarp said:
They're definitely up to something then
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Gathering information on the extent of the damages while simultaneously endearing themselves to the Leaf populace in a similar fashion to what Ami did.

Which means we might have an ally in her, in the sense that she won't want people trying to steal her schtick.

Edit: What the fuck am I saying, helping people is our schtick.
 
faflec said:
Gathering information on the extent of the damages while simultaneously endearing themselves to the Leaf populace in a similar fashion to what Ami did.

Which means we might have an ally in her, in the sense that she won't want people trying to steal her schtick.

Edit: What the fuck am I saying, helping people is our schtick.
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"They must be evil and behind this whole mess."

"Why do you say that?"

"They're doing the same thing Ami did."

"Y'know, I think Ami may have had something to do with this."

"That's crazytalk."
 
MEW construction cheat sheet:
For a wall 2m tall and 0.25m thick, a single Effect 1 MEW cast will create 2m of wall.
  • This scales linearly with Effect.
Very roughly, doing the job instantaneously is about half as efficient as doing it with a casting time of 'several minutes' which is about half as efficient as doing it with a casting time of 'ten minutes'.
  • 30 minute cast times cost so little they may as well be free.

If Hazou is building alone or with minimal chakra refilling:
He will be best served casting at 10 minutes until he runs out and then casting at 30 minutes for the rest. Each 100 CP gives you about 10 casts at 10 minutes a cast, so a 200 CP Hazou would get 20 casts done in 200 min (~3h) and then spend the remaining 280 minutes of the day casting about 9 more times at 30 minutes.
  • With 100 CP Hazou can make about ~45m of wall in 8h.
  • With 200 CP Hazou can make about ~60m of wall in 8h.
  • With 300 CP Hazou can make about ~75m of wall in 8h.

If Hazou has significant chakra refills:
He will be best served at some ratio of '10 minute' casts and 'several minute' casts, as Hazou needs only 500 CP to spend a full day on '10 minute' casting but needs 3000 CP to spend a full day on 'several minutes' casting. Roughly, every ~50 CP beyond 500 can turn one '10 minute' cast into three 'several minute' casts in the same timeframe, so your benchmarks are this:
  • With 500 CP Hazou can make about ~100m of wall in 8h.
  • With 1000 CP Hazou can make about ~140m of wall in 8h.
  • With 2000 CP Hazou can make about ~220m of wall in 8h.
  • With 3000 CP Hazou can make about ~300m of wall in 8h.
Interpolate linearly.

I don't have the cheat sheet for Effect 2+ castings, but suffice it to say that the shorter casting times are less effected and the longer casting times are more effected, and overall I don't think there's that much gain in efficiency.

@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail, if you want to copy it into a QM doc or something I won't mind. I'll be keeping a link to it around anyways in case anyone asks a question about the topic.
 
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You are a Iwa-nin:

You had been sent on a mission of peace to ensure that Leaf won't blame an attack on you and to neutralize Leaf as an enemy in the upcoming ninja war. You are given instruction in no uncertain term to be polite and helpful as you can.

You have heard about the Goketsu. They are weird? Choosing to care for civilians who had been hurt in the disaster. What is it in it for them? You did hear about the clanhead's penchant for charity toward mudfoot.

You wondered about who perpetuated the attack. It's either Akatsuki or Cloud. If it was Akatsuki, you idly wondered why your village hadn't been attacked yet. Or you wonder if your fellow village ninja.

Even if it was true, it's not helpful to achieve whatever goal you have right now. Gain rapport and push for favorable negotiation.
 
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Shadowwarp said:
And MEW continues to be THE most useful jutsu in Hazo's kit.
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Papa J, supporting us even in death.

faflec said:
NB: The only people with contracts in Leaf (and who are not fucking evil) are Asuma and Keiko. One would observe that they are probably really fucking busy right now. Tsunade is a giant ??? but if she is actually in Leaf she's probably still really busy helping people.

Maybe we can offer to have Mari take over some of Keiko's (non-Nara) duties in exchange for her freeing up her time for Noburi? Or Asuma, either/or.
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If Asuma is still teaching Neji, we should get in on that, for efficiency of labor. From a resource allocation viewpoint, Asuma delegating Keiko to teach, and assigning a Dog recipient, so she can teach 3 people summoning at once would help provide a massive jump to Leaf's utility and combat in 3 months. At the cost of Shikamaru's support network. There were whisperings that Kabuto had been trained to summon by Orochimaru, could we get Kabuto to teach?

Sentient Tree said:
I'd just like to point out how awesome Hazō is being here. Noticing his potential fuck up and correcting it, and then noticing that Mari might be being unstable. He's come a long way from being Mr. Foot-In-Mouth, and it's showing.
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I know! I'm so proud of him. And I appreciate both these small moments from the QMs (thanks QMs), and the effort the hivemind's been putting into it. 100 chapter ago Hazou would be fairing Very poorly right now, I think.

MMKII said:
Can anyone think of other potential Team Disunity issues like "Mari is working herself to the bone" , "Noburi is probably upset he doesn't get the cool technique due to bullshit bloodline stuff.", "Shikamaru is coping like a particularly wet cabbage but is just not dealing with it right now." and the like?

Besides the obvious "The team thinks we may be possessed by demons.", of course.
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Kagome being constantly surrounded by people with not enough of his own space/clan protections. Keiko completely neglecting herself for Shikamaru. Noburi's being bummed out made worse if we can't make actionable steps towards making him a summoner.

Cariyaga said:
Things I want in a plan:

  • Hugs for Chouza
  • Asking Mari, followed by Asuma about:
    • Getting him made Kage asap
    • Getting Hazou sent to check out Mist
  • Talking to Ino and Chouji about Shikamaru
    • As his (likely) best friends, they know better than anyone how badly he's working himself to the bone
    • Offer any help Hazou can, as Shikamaru's friend, to lighten the load. Do what you can to keep him in good mental health.
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Having Hazou in particular sent to Mist seems like a bad idea. Not a sensor, is busy being clan head, and everyone would be SUPER suspicious of us jumping ship given what's going on. Which is why checking out Rock is also out (looking at you @Tua )
 
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Halberdier said:
Having Hazou in particular sent to Mist seems like a bad idea. Not a sensor, is busy being clan head, and everyone would be SUPER suspicious of us jumping ship given what's going on. Which is why checking out Rock is also out (looking at you @Tua )
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The reason we send Hazou is because he's least likely to be killed for espionage if someone from Mist spots him in the air.

Also, I think we should maybe ask Ino to keep an eye on Keiko for us.
 
Hivemind and Character Improvement Initiative: A list of proposals for implementing anti-frustration features and better performance by both hivemind and MC according to a naked mole rat.

Hazo:
* Greater autonomy. Hazo will be able to develop and do things on his own without needing the hivemind help. This benefit us by smoothing over "bumpy" parts of social and political interaction, while the hivemind focus on strategic direction. This required changes to gameplay that may never be implemented.
* Better politician: He should be able to react and understand the political environment better. Solution: Accompany Mari on business. May required the 'Greater autonomy' upgrade. It will also free us from the constraint of having to talk to our teammates before making moves.
* Multiple choices: Outline a set of actions Hazo would consider 'reasonable'. These would be something the hivemind could actually vote on.

Hivemind:
* Character analysis incentive: Good analysis let us place into the context of target characters we may need to interact with. To make the hivemind do this consistently, 1 XP for such effort every update may motivate such effort.
* Character analysis: We need to do them.
* Short, usable, constantly updated checklists. This will help prevent errors if we put in the effort to constantly refine them.
* Early planning: Getting more plans out and early let us focus on improving them instead of panicking.
* More plans: Diversity prevents us from pigeonholing into one plan.
* Veto vote: Use in case of emergency. A veto vote have extra weighted consideration, like three times the normal weight of a vote. Can only be used every five-ten updates or so.
 
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Cariyaga said:
No. That's bad. We do not want to focus our planmaking efforts on improving plans early in the cycle, else we'll miss other opportunities that we haven't seen yet.
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FMPOV, we frequently waited too late, in which case we panic under time pressure. The problem you're seeing is a problem with lack of diversity of plans. Ideally, we have at least three plans that are not carbon copy of each other.
 
Kiba said:
FMPOV, we frequently waited too late, in which case we panic under time pressure. The problem you're seeing is a problem with lack of diversity of plans. Ideally, we have at least three plans that are not carbon copy of each other.
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That leads to the creation of incidents like the most recent one that got Naruto pissed at us, as everyone flees from one aspect of two of the plans and misses the third plan is also terrifying.
 
Kiba said:
Ideally, we have at least three plans that are not carbon copy of each other.
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When everyone agrees on the 'what', and we are hammering out the 'how', we tend to have one plan or one plan and carbon copies. When we are undecided on the 'what', we have multiple plans as people try to advocate different 'whats' to pursue.

To say that we should always have multiple divergent plans is to say that we should never agree on the 'what', which imo would only encourage chaos and distraction.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
When everyone agrees on the 'what', and we are hammering out the 'how', we tend to have one plan or one plan and carbon copies. When we are undecided on the 'what', we have multiple plans as people try to advocate different 'whats' to pursue.

To say that we should always have multiple divergent plans is to say that we should never agree on the 'what', which imo would only encourage chaos and distraction.
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That is not what I am proposing. I think we should make serious effort to considers alternatives to the consensus.
 
Byzantine said:
That leads to the creation of incidents like the most recent one that got Naruto pissed at us, as everyone flees from one aspect of two of the plans and misses the third plan is also terrifying.
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I am not sure if you agree or disagree with me.

Byzantine said:
Jumping off of consensus for the sake of jumping off is not particularly useful or productive.
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There's a different between voting consensus and having alternatives.
 
Cariyaga said:
The reason we send Hazou is because he's least likely to be killed for espionage if someone from Mist spots him in the air.

Also, I think we should maybe ask Ino to keep an eye on Keiko for us.
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Either we'll be too far to kill or it won't matter anyway, I would say.

Also, I'd ask Chouji instead of Ino, or both? Not only does it get us in close enough to kind of have an excuse to give Chouza a hug (if you want that), but also Chouji isn't a clan head and his compound isn't trashed, so his spoons may be a bit better, even with his Dad having a hard time.
 
Halberdier said:
Either we'll be too far to kill or it won't matter anyway, I would say.

Also, I'd ask Chouji instead of Ino, or both? Not only does it get us in close enough to kind of have an excuse to give Chouza a hug (if you want that), but also Chouji isn't a clan head and his compound isn't trashed, so his spoons may be a bit better, even with his Dad having a hard time.
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Good call, I'd say that instead.
 
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