I want this now. Even just so we can gloat in front of Ami that our group has the better name.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
I want this now. Even just so we can gloat in front of Ami that our group has the better name.
If Tsunade's still pissed over the Clans restricting Med-Nin training (that was a thing right?) she might be willing to adopt someone like Kabuto to lead a reformed 'Senju' Clan as long as they lobby to support her work. Of course she probably has tons of hangups about the idea, but if there's enough incentive she might be able to be convinced. Doesn't change the current vote issue but it does offer a possibility to tip the future odds, add some allied adoption capacity and exploits the Founding Clan UBI.
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No. It's a BS myth that training to become med-nin is illegal.
Wasn't there a thing with a clanless Genin saying the system was deliberately but deniably screwing the clanless applicants out of the training programme to favor clan nin? I remember Tsunade getting angry when told something about it and promising to investigate.
EDIT: Right, found it, you're right Tsunade dismissed any outright barring but did go to take a look. Still checking to see if she's checked in on her findings yet.
EDIT 2: I think she's expecting Hazou to look into this and doesn't plan to herself. Not seeing her bring this up again or serious investigation in the story posts since. Could be serious soft discrimination like with RL cultural IQ tests or literacy tests that clanless aren't prepped for at the academy or aren't actually necessary if Tsunade train's civilians. Doesn't cost much to check (conversations with clanless med-nin) and may provide leverage over Tsunade.
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Emstar
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@eaglejarl @OliWhail @Velorien
Like the explosives tax, does the Tower care where the above skywalker tax comes from so long as they are getting
(#SkywalkerCertifiedSealmasters)*100
per month?
(@Kiba or someone else, can this be thrown into QUINOA plox if unanswered?
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This refers to how taxes are collected. Urbanites are clustered tightly enough that it's convenient to cut out the intermediate layers of tax collectors and therefore increase the total amount making it to the Hokage.
Rihaku
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Prices per individual seal are still different, as mentioned in the post. Just not massively so. You can imagine the logistical difficulties of the QMs sorting out exact prices for every seal type.
Plus, Sealmasters are extremely intellectually active and it'd be incredibly boring to scribe the same seal over and over again for months on end!
A jounin-grade seal is a seal that requires a jounin sealmaster to make. For example, any seal with a TN high enough that a chunin-grade sealmaster can't make it, or any seal with effectiveness scaling to sealmaster ability that has jounin-grade ability behind it.
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Discuss Cultural Contingency with clan?
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The life of a software engineer, encapsulated in a single sentence so beautifully.
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Tax rate for all ninja is 80%, with the first R42,400 (i.e. annual subsistence income for a ninja) not taxed. See below about refunds for clans.
What's the tax rate for civvies? Could we route our money making schemes through a S̶h̶e̶l̶l̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶p̶a̶n̶y̶ civillian company who buys a plot of land out in the wilderness from the Daimyo (maybe with a loan from the Nara? 1 degree of seperation so people can't accuse us of being corrupt something something), then has us clear the land? We buy the loan from the Nara for a fair profit, buy the land from the civvies, perhaps with more desirable land inside the walls for their business? Maybe putting our compound to use? Then sell the monster free land in a clan head auction, the Nara and Keiko helpfully saying how valuable the land is.
The nice thing with this plan is everyone wins, we just win more. More taxes for the tower/clans from the farmed land means they're incentivized to support the scheme. The fact that it boosts quality of life for everyone involved is just a side benefit.
Edit: The final step would have to be done through the civvies to avoid the 80% tax huh. Maybe keep it in their name then adopt the civvies afterwards? The rules only frown on adopting ninja after all.
What's the tax rate for civvies? Could we route our money making schemes through a S̶h̶e̶l̶l̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶p̶a̶n̶y̶ civillian company who buys a plot of land out in the wilderness from the Daimyo (maybe with a loan from the Nara? 1 degree of seperation so people can't accuse us of being corrupt something something), then has us clear the land? We buy the loan from the Nara for a fair profit, buy the land from the civvies, perhaps with more desirable land inside the walls for their business? Maybe putting our compound to use? Then sell the monster free land in a clan head auction, the Nara and Keiko helpfully saying how valuable the land is.
The nice thing with this plan is everyone wins, we just win more. More taxes for the tower/clans from the farmed land means they're incentivized to support the scheme. The fact that it boosts quality of life for everyone involved is just a side benefit.
Edit: The final step would have to be done through the civvies to avoid the 80% tax huh. Maybe keep it in their name then adopt the civvies afterwards? The rules only frown on adopting ninja after all.
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Emstar
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Not enough time for us to hash out specifics yet. I also expect there to be a hard cap on meaningful data gathered from miscellaneous questions, especially if QMs are busy the next 24-48 hours.
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@MMKII I would also enjoy the "check up on Lee/Spar with him (and probably Akane)/Tell him about Gai scene to happen. Partially because I think it would be fun and wholesome, partially because it's as close to letting Eaglejarl write punching as we're going to get for a little while, and partially because if Lee is emotionally adrift and lost without Gai, now is very much the time to strengthen bonds with him. Officially adopting him can wait if he's still one of us in spirit. This all goes triple if he also becomes the turtle summoner (and it would be more efficient for Keiko to teach Noburi and Lee at once (though oh my, I can't imagine that being a fun time for Keiko)). That said, I realize that there's differing opinions, and am generally against changing plans too much just before a vote.
Should we also look at pushing back the meetings? I think it's been brought up that sending a message at 10pm asking for a meeting the next day at a specific time with a Hokage candidate is a bit much.
Good plan though.
[x] Action Plan: Disheartening Lack of All-Consuming Horror (Original Character Donut Steel)
Should we also look at pushing back the meetings? I think it's been brought up that sending a message at 10pm asking for a meeting the next day at a specific time with a Hokage candidate is a bit much.
Good plan though.
[x] Action Plan: Disheartening Lack of All-Consuming Horror (Original Character Donut Steel)
I believe the assumption is that ninja gets missions from the tower, where it's comparatively easy to tax, and not built upon ninja declaring how money they made which requires a whole bureaucracy of tax auditors ninja sniffing through ledgers.
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Oh, Right, the vote.
[x] Action Plan: Disheartening Lack of All-Consuming Horror (Original Character Donut Steel)
[x] Action Plan: Disheartening Lack of All-Consuming Horror (Original Character Donut Steel)
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Huh. Akane has a LOT of unspent XP. Like, "get Chakra to Shadow Clone level" amount of XP. And would also benefit from more Chakra, if we gave her the buffs that we were enthusiastic over giving Lee. Just an observation.
Rihaku
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Ninja are taxed on mission pay, the primary income vehicle for clanless nin, but I don't believe ninja are directly taxed on capital gains and the like. Civilians on the other hand are taxed at very high rates for all economic activity.
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Can we game civillian taxes somehow? Lower their tax burden by telling their income is actually ours?
Heh, no wonder Akane's family was so eager to be adopted
Emstar
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Pretty much any gaming of taxes we do needs to stand up to Nara-tier Tower IRS audits.
Y'know...The kind of tax audit where if your numbers dont make enough sense, you get put in a cellar in T&I and Ibiki's new apprentice breaks your kneecaps until the numbers make more sense.
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No capital gains tax? Omg. Welp, that opens some doors.
The Nara owe us a *fuck ton* of hours, it doesn't need to specifically be Shikas. Write up a basic contract and get us a Nara secretary (Confidentiality unless they notice anything that could damage the Nara clan, good faith agreement etc.), have the secretary work out the kinks of buying wild land and probing into buyers of tame land. Sell half the land we clear, and use the rest for a hospital, academy, and sealing labs. We're probably going to need to go walt disney with this, meaning buying and clearing/maintaining as much land as we can before it gets out in order to keep buying prices low.
Get Tsunade in on this before she leaves.
A Seal academy can make us stupid amounts of money once people start being able to scribe Genin seals. We could offer a contract along the lines of 20% our students net profit goes to us in exchange for a safe place to learn sealing, and if they want to advance further they can cough up an additional 15% to gain access to our beginner level sealing labs for experimentation.
This makes Kagome happy, keeps him busy and is lucrative to boot.
Selling the land is a short term goal, academy mid term, hospital long term.
Emstar
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Its entirely possible we need not trade any of our currently banked hours to get a Nara secretary.
If clan Gouketsu takes on the Nara Skywalker tax burden or a portion thereof equivalent to 20-60 hours of their Chunin/Jonin sealmasters time, those are expensive hours (its much more valuable to them and to their sealmasters that they dont each spend 20-40 hours a month printing skywalkers for the Tower instead of R&D, scribing their own stuff for clanmates, or relaxing) that we could trade in-house for "1-2 middling Nara secretaries, full time, per month" with only 4ish hours of Hazou's time before bed every other day and a Sunday or three a month marathon scribing seals.
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I'm too lazy to do math, but just to check: Y'all remember that Hazou does not scribe seals any faster than anyone else, right? His advantage is in accuracy, not speed.
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This makes Kagome screaming. He repeatedly stated that more than 3 sealmasters in one room is a bad thing that makes someone eaten.
Other ideas are good.
Emstar
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Yeah.
Its two elements per skywalker, so 4 elements per pair. He can scribe 12 elements per hour so 3 Skywalker pairs per hour.
4ish hours a night every other night per month is about 4*3*15 =180 skywalker pairs. We might have to bump that up to 5ish or so depending on the demand, which gives 225. Thats enough to balance out the monthly skywalker tax for two and a quarter of their sealmasters.
I expect us to have to trade this for their chunin sealmasters' time. If they have Jonin sealmasters, they are likely already doing this in house.
I think Shikamaru would see the value though. Whats the time of one or two of Shiori's secretary rivals compared to two-ish of his Kagomes' ? We can even pitch it as good job experience for them.
E: I did the above calc in "Skywalker pairs" since its ambigious whether Skywalkers refers to a set of two elements or a pair of the same.
E^2: I can't grammar today, ugh
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