So, um...I still don't see why we can't just ask Noburi to step in after a half hour or so. Is it because of the constant possibility of him appearing at any moment that's the issue?
Ah. No, asking him to step in in thirty minutes is not an issue. I meant that only doing this would leave us with no clear protections against hostile outcome pumps. Which is probably fine, since the grue is probably not an outcome pump after all, but...
 
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Ah. No, asking him to step in in thirty minutes is not an issue. I meant that only doing this would leave us with no clear protections against hostile outcome pumps. Which is probably fine, since the grue is probably not an outcome pump after all, but...
Hm. Maybe tell him to step in in 30 minutes, OR if he discovers something exciting about his adoption targets?
 
The first two are barely acceptable FMPOV, I'm not going to freak if we get screwed (though I will get a bit pissy). The last one...no. My concern involves getting shoved into a fucking killbox after some Hyuga shit claims us to be writing down intel and dragging us in. Keep in mind that we'd be writing down this stuff, meaning they'd have actual evidence to back up their claim.
Real talk if the Hyūga try to kill box us then they aren't going to worry about evidence. We aren't missing nin who you can bury in a shallow grave. If they move against us it's going to be a civil war. Where we have more firepower than they do

Edit: Also if they move against us they don't have an S-ranker backing them up. So we won't go quietly
 
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Edit: Ah, wait. I'm overcomplicating this. We just need to assign Noburi some hours-long task he's going to enjoy doing, then say that we're going to engage in a 30-minutes paranoid exercise with Kagome and that he's welcome to join us whenever. Make it so that he can choose to interrupt us at any moment, but that he is unlikely to want to interrupt us.

What does Noburi like that he could be doing alone in our clan compound? Yes, yes, I hear Mari's giggles too.
Hm. Maybe tell him to step in in 30 minutes, OR if he discovers something exciting about his adoption targets?
That's not sufficiently random, I think.

Noburi has an internal definition of "something exciting" and access to the adoptees' data. Say it's a 20-pages document. Every page of said document is already set in stone: it either contains something exciting, or it doesn't. If Noburi reads it sequentially, he can't "spontaneously" discover something exciting: he'll discover it only once he gets to the page which contains it. The only variable here is said definition of "excitingness": the grue may nudge Noburi into momentarily thinking that what's written on Page 5 is exciting, even though it's not.

But then we don't know how many pages there are, how likely it is that a page includes something exciting, what kinds of things Noburi may consider exciting with a nudge and how often they appear in the document... It could be either too likely, or too unlikely, or too likely to be a false positive (i. e., there's no outcome pump, just something genuinely exciting on Page 5).
 
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Actually, walking up to and asking every jounin available to experience their aura sounds interesting. It should either alleviate Hazou's PTSD through exposure therapy, or drive it into full-blown psychosis.
 
Okay, I'm being an idiot. The grue is not an outcome pump.
He'd grab his old disguise kit and—

Where was his disguise kit, anyway?

He found he couldn't remember, so he opened up the oilskin pouch strapped to his belt...except it was already open and he was holding its contents? Wow, he was getting dementia before the age of sixteen!
This isn't how an outcome pump would have handled it. It would have made Hazou actively think of something new, distracted him with a new topic; instead, it repeatedly erased his memory — induced a very unlikely event even though there were cheaper alternatives. Hazou spilling tea was a circuit-breaker, not an act of grue.

Why did I think it was an outcome pump? Because people were panicking about Final Destination after the update dropped, and I felt clever for conceiving of a countermeasure, never stopping to re-examine the cached thought. Sheesh.

I'm removing the section about Goemon's letters. Noburi can join in thirty minutes, or be there from the beginning.
 
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Okay, I'm being an idiot. The grue is not an outcome pump.

This isn't how an outcome pump would have handled it. It would have made Hazou actively think of something new, distracted him with a new topic; instead, it repeatedly erased his memory — induced a very unlikely event even though there were cheaper alternatives. Hazou spilling tea was a circuit-breaker, not an act of grue.

Why did I think it was an outcome pump? Because people were panicking about Final Destination after the update dropped, and I felt clever for conceiving of a countermeasure, never stopping to re-examine the cached thought. Sheesh.

I'm removing the section about Goemon's letters. Noburi can join in thirty minutes, or be there from the beginning.

The grue is Fifi.
 
That was a thoughtlessly flippant comment, but so are most of my most profound insights. I try to cultivate a state of mind where even I don't really know when I am joking, and the results can be very interesting. Considering that I don't even remember posting it, I'm not at all sure that it isn't important. I'll analyze it further when I have the resources.
 
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That was a thoughtlessly flippant comment, but so are most of my most profound insights. I try to cultivate a state of mind where even I don't really know when I am joking, and the results can be very interesting. Considering that I don't even remember posting it, I'm not at all sure that it isn't important. I'll analyze it further when I have the resources.

Wait. Are you me? o_O
 
Okay, I'm being an idiot. The grue is not an outcome pump.

This isn't how an outcome pump would have handled it. It would have made Hazou actively think of something new, distracted him with a new topic; instead, it repeatedly erased his memory — induced a very unlikely event even though there were cheaper alternatives. Hazou spilling tea was a circuit-breaker, not an act of grue.

Why did I think it was an outcome pump? Because people were panicking about Final Destination after the update dropped, and I felt clever for conceiving of a countermeasure, never stopping to re-examine the cached thought. Sheesh.

I'm removing the section about Goemon's letters. Noburi can join in thirty minutes, or be there from the beginning.
*waggles fingers*

But would it Grue Hiashi for a Scooby Snack?

They're one of your shadow clone alts.

How do you know they're only one...?

But srs I think Kagome would have noticed.

...Or the grue is more horrifying than we imagined. Either or.

Put Fifi on our head (a favorite resting place of hers) and see if Fifi can detect Grue related shenanigans.
 
Hazō considered his options. He could attempt to fling the cat(?) away, but her tail was wound tight around his neck and she'd probably do a good job of taking his scalp and/or face with her. He couldn't Substitute—the way she was wound around him meant that she would just come along. If he had some sort of shapeshifting jutsu then maybe he could make himself thinner, or smaller, or something. Note to self: Invent shapeshifting jutsu. Even if it only let you turn into humans it would be amazing.

Actually, better yet, pay someone to invent it. That sounded much better.

The cat(?) shifted slightly and Hazō's train of thought vanished like a popped soap bubble, instantly forgotten as the tips of spikey little claws tickled his head. He looked up as best he could without moving his head and was able to see nothing but a puff of fur.

Lets play "How many times has the Grue peered at us disapprovingly" ...
 
I disagree, but because my brain is broken before I could rein it in my disagreement became an entire imaginary gameshow about how Pein working with Akatsuki didn't mean that we could, and it became this:

Welcome to, The Mastermind, with special guest stars Akatsuki members!

* Bachelor music plays*

Oyabun: I'm your host, here to help match our contestants, would be Masterminds Pain and the Gokage, with a panel of terrifying mass murderers-
*Chime, smash cut*
Oyabun: with a panel of efficient ninja assets, all of them future/past members of the terrorist syndicate-
*Chime, smash cut*
Oyabun: organization known as Akatsuki.

*Camera pans to the side, where Hazou, Noburi, Keiko and Kagome are crammed into one booth, while Pane exists in the vicinity of another, floating several inches off of the ground and emitting intense serenity radiation*

Kagome: Wait, if that stinker is still recruiting then how is the organization already named-

Oyabun: Let's start with our returning champion, notorious Ninja mastermind Pain!

PAAN: Thank you, It's pronounced 'Pein', though.

Oyabun: Isn't that what I said?

Pein: No.

Oyabun: …

Pain: …

Oyabun: And our newest challenger, Hazou of the Gokage!

Hazou: Point of order, we are a nonhierarchical caucus, whose leadership at any given moment devolves onto the ninja or entity most capable of advancing the set of goals that most closely resembles our values handshake, unless-
Noburi: Thank you, he's happy to be here!

Oyabun: Fascinating stuff, Gokage, now let's meet the panel whose loyalty you will be competing for!

*Camera pans to the other side, where Deidara, Itachi and Kisame arrive in their respective idioms, Deidara dropping through the ceiling in an explosion, Itachi having already been there, and Kisame swimming in following a blood trail.*

Oyabun: Here we go, they will pose questions, which our contestants will answer. Answer well if you want them in your secret organization!

Itachi: What is the goal of your organization?

Hazou: We seek to bring about an Uplift, which would entail civilian equality with Ninja, as well as a general-
Keikou: Leading off with civilian equality is a mistake, we would receive a more favorable reaction by phrasing it as ninja equality with-
Noburi: It's fine, let's just-
Keiko: You are correct, I'm unworthy of speech, I'll never speak again, and will immediately cut my tongue out in order to spare all of you any furth-
Hazou & Noburi: No, you are the best, the sole fragment of meaning in an unworthy world, we are fortune-
*During the din, Payne speaks a brief sentence, inaudible to the audience
Kagome: Stinker! Time for Boom, Squish!
Gokage: Kagome no!
Deidara: Do it!

Oyabun (desperately): Next question please!

Deidara: Is it ok if we continue to indulge our proclivities while the Master Plan unfolds?

Keikou: What proclivities?

Akatsuki (all at once): Blowing civilians up/Imprisoning people for 24 hours in my rape dimension by locking eyes with them / Dying if I stop going forward

PAAAAINE: Sure, knock yourselves out

Oyabun: Gokage?

Noburi: Hold on, Hazou said something about getting 24 hours of training into one second and locked up, he'll be a sec.
Keikou: And when he's back we'll have to tell him how wrong it is
Kagome: Clan ritual

Oyabun: And now a word from our sponsors

*Advertisement plays for AmiFavorChain, 'They are valuable because people believe me when I tell them they are valuable'*

Oyabun: And we're back

Camera pans over to where Hazou has attached himself firmly to Itachi's leg

Oyabun: And we're back to commercial break

*Advertisement plays for Kagome's tutoring, 'Your child might learn seals slightly better, and has no more than a one in four chance of being exploded' (offer not valid if I decide brainworms are involved)*

Oyabun: And we're back, for real this time

Hazou: We are definitely joining Itachi's-
Noburi: You will not be allowed to murder or mistreat civilians once you are a member of our clan
Kagome: Unless they are Condors
Noburi: Sure, obviously

Itachi: Would there be any penalties for refusing to join your organization? Secondary question, how powerful are you in a fight?

Noburi: None whatsoever, and very recently a single S-ranker beat us up so that we'd know that he could kill us at any time
Hazou: Actually we are all about to be S-rank, and we have seven superweapons, and-

!Pain! : I'm quite possibly either Ninja Jesus or his somehow even more terrifying brother, either way I can effortlessly defeat an S-rank ninja

Kisame: Any bribes? Like if we work for you we get cool stuff?

*Hazou screams in mortal fear and passes out*

Kisame: What? I'm like fifth from being the most frightening in this room, depending on where you count that Keikou girl

Noburi: I'm sorry, it's just, your character design could charitably be described as 'Zabuza, but also a shark', and we used to be missing nin

Painne: I will literally raise you from the dead, all of you, if you fall in my service

*Hazou is instantly himself again*

Hazou: Is there any drawback to that jutsu?

P^ne: Yes, it will...cost me my life!!!

*everyone gasps*

Hazou: So if you raise a dozen people from the dead, then one of them could raise you and eleven more, and then you raise him and eleven more, such that the total number of resurrections at this point is...carry the one...

Oyabun: Is he ok?

Hazou: tears streaming down his face, *whispers* : It's possible, it is actually possible

NoburI: I'm afraid we aren't going to get anything else out of him for a while

*Advertisement plays for Juraiya's porn books: 'Based on true stories, and definitely not secret messages'

Oyabun: And now time to see how things have turned out

*drumroll*

Camera pans over to the contestant side, where Itachi and Kisame have joined P&yne and are putting on the traditional Akatsuki cloud robes, joined by the 3 junior members of the Gokage, who are rapidly drawing clouds on their outfits

Oyabun: I'll be, that's...

Camera pans back over to the Gokage panel, where Deidara and Kagome are working together on a great big seal

*Smash cut*
Jiraiya (scorched, looking somber): No one will ever know the true cause of what some are calling 'the biggest bang', but most experts agree that is was likely the Cold Stone Killers, who remain even now at large.

I only now had the attention to read through this, but I just want to say that I love you and will happily bear your children as soon as I figure out how to defy both nature and reason.
 
...I am lost. How is this related to my post?
I was responding more to the thread in general, and using your post as a convenient hook.

What I wanted to say was that the hive mind is very upset about the action Mari took against Keiko with the goal of "protecting the clan."
I was contrasting that to the time Hazou and co. decided it was necessary to sink a ship for the sake of their goals.
I'm not supporting Mari, just pointing it out.
 
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