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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Oh also, Jin and Shinzō need to fuck. Assuming they're of age.

To bad Ami will have prevented that since it would give both of them an emotional anchor that's not her.

@Velorien: Are they of age?
 
Lord Marshal said:
It's ridiculous how Ami is everywhere and we still have no idea what's her endgame, that girl is made of smoke and mirrors.
She also has her own trusted minions, with a really strange relationship i would add.
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It's not weird. They had crushes on her as children, and she nurtured those feelings to make them loyal minions.

She stokes their attraction just enough that both are constantly aware of their feelings towards her without ever getting cathartic release.

MMKII said:
I have some morbid curiosity regarding what we'd get out of vague open ended requests.

"Grant me power."

"Save us all!"

"Work with me to save the world."

etc
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I'd go with:

"Help us achieve our coherent extrapolated volition."
 
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Jello_Raptor said:
It's not weird. They had crushes on her as children, and she nurtured those feelings to make them loyal minions.

She stokes their attraction just enough that both are constantly aware of their feelings towards her without ever getting cathartic release.



I'd go with:

"Help us achieve our coherent extrapolated volition."
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"Also ignore the fact that I just referred to myself in plural."
 
Velorien said:
Try now.

You can rank the quest list by number of posts. If you find anything more complicated, do let me know.
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You can also sort by views, in which case we're #6. There's other things as well, but I don't find them relevant.

MMKII said:
I'm not denying that Shed Skin was an amazing piece of work, I'm just saying there's no point in comparing the activity of the two since we have fundamentally different quest structures.

Picking "[vote] Use the Headhunter technique to counter this attack, try to engage in CQC afterwords." out of a handful of options is just plain different from the paradigm we've got going on here. Especially when you consider incentives for high voter participation. We don't really operate that way, so its sort of like comparing apples and oranges. Both are pretty good, but they're awesome for different reasons and in different ways.
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Hey, I'm a mercenary. I pledge that, for the next update, I will give bonus XP of floor(unique voters /10)-1

If I wanted to be REALLY mercenary I'd make it a Patreon reward, but I'm not quite that far gone to the dark side. :>
 
Cariyaga said:
"Also ignore the fact that I just referred to myself in plural."
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I wish we could get an AU where we take direct control of Hazou and explain the extradimensional hivemind of technologically advanced beings that are secretly puppeting him to Ami, and offer an alliance to fix the world because its inefficiencies and injustices offend our sensibilities and it's a fun challenge.

If anyone would be up for that it'd be Ami.
 
eaglejarl said:
You can also sort by views, in which case we're #6. There's other things as well, but I don't find them relevant.


Hey, I'm a mercenary. I pledge that, for the next update, I will give bonus XP of floor(unique voters /10)-1

If I wanted to be REALLY mercenary I'd make it a Patreon reward, but I'm not quite that far gone to the dark side. :>
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Does bonus XP overflow if it goes below 0?
 
Cariyaga said:
"Also ignore the fact that I just referred to myself in plural."
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No, given how Ami conceptualizes her psyche as multiple identities that form into a greater whole, the plural thing is safer.

Imagine if we asked "Help me achieve my coherent extrapolated volition." And she accepted while taking 'me' to refer to our 'Hazou as Goketsu clan head' identity.

Hell it's still safer even if she assumes 'our' means "all of Hazou and Ami" since that implies a values handshake.

Of course none of these open ended requests work if she treats a favour as having a discrete work requirement after which it's discharged.

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You know, she's probably one of the few people in the setting who is capable of an actual values handshake with us.

I think our safest and most useful option might be in the vein of:

Perform a values handshake with me such that:
  • Your values and mine become equivalent.
  • My aspiration to "Treat all humans (civilian and otherwise) as equally inherently valuable." is preserved in our final values.
  • My tendency towards "Approximate preferece utilitarianism" is preserved in our final values.
  • My revulsion at the idea of "nonconsensual or involuntary death of sentient beings" is preserved.
That both of us change our values is very important here.

It's probably too big to count as a favor though.

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Velorien said:
Please vote in a plan that encourages Ami to extrapolate your volition. What could possibly go wrong?
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I will point out that someone's CEV is defined in terms of the target person's values set.

I mean @Velorien, this is Ami, do you think she couldn't make a good computationally bounded approximation of our CE ....


Wait a second. Ami can make a good approximation of our CEV. @Radvic is one of us.

WE MUST NEVER ASK AMI TO INTERPRET OUR CEV!!
 
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Jello_Raptor said:
No, given how Ami conceptualizes her psyche as multiple identities that form into a greater whole, the plural thing is safer.

Imagine if we asked "Help me achieve my coherent extrapolated volition." And she accepted while taking 'me' to refer to our 'Hazou as Goketsu clan head' identity.

Hell it's still safer even if she assumes 'our' means "all of Hazou and Ami" since that implies a values handshake.

Of course none of these open ended requests work if she treats a favour as having a discrete work requirement after which it's discharged.

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You know, she's probably one of the few people in the setting who is capable of an actual values handshake with us.

I think our safest and most useful option might be in the vein of:

Perform a values handshake with me such that:
  • Your values and mine become equivalent.
  • My aspiration to "Treat all humans (civilian and otherwise) as equally inherently valuable." is preserved in our final values.
  • My tendency towards "Approximate preferece utilitarianism" is preserved in our final values.
  • My revulsion at the idea of "nonconsensual or involuntary death of sentient beings" is preserved.
That both of us change our values is very important here.

It's probably too big to count as a favor though.

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I will point out that someone's CEV is defined in terms of the target person's values set.

I mean @Velorien, this is Ami do you think she couldn't make a good computationally bounded approximation of our CE ....


Wait a second. Ami can make a good approximation of our CEV. @Radvic is one of us.

WE MUST NEVER ASK AMI TO INTERPRET OUR CEV!!
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Isn't that an argument for asking her, though?
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema. Never heard of it, no idea what it's about. I'm guessing magical girl animes, given the title. It seems to be locked though, and its lead over this quest is only around 300 pages.
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PMAS is a Puella Magi Madoka Magica quest. If you haven't seen Madoka Magica, I'll try not to spoil it, but suffice to say that the quest revolves around a massively overpowered OC player character trying to fix a crapsack world (quite a bit like Uplift, actually). Due to the PC's overpoweredness, the main challenges of the quest are social in nature. The main posters spend about as much effort figuring out exactly what to say to people as the MfD hivemind spends on WMDs. It's to the point that ideas about how to use the PC's powers better in combat are frequently rebuffed by the main posters, on account of the PC being OP enough already and the belief that the thread's time would be better spent on social stuff.

Interestingly, while in MfD most salt is almost exclusively between the players and the QMs (it seems to rarely be player vs player), in PMAS salt flows freely between players but never touches the QM (the players frequently have flamewars between each other, but almost never say anything bad about the QM).

PMAS goes slowly. VERY slowly. As in, after several years, they are still in the second week of the quest in character.
 
Velorien said:
Antics are good. It's something that bears further QM discussion, and feel free to keep poking us at regular intervals if we forget about it (there are a lot of spinning plates on both sides of the QM screen). However, right now, I have a feeling that both QMs and players are busy enough with politics work that Ami-style training is less of a priority.
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*poke*
 
Huh, I've wanted to have this argument on this thread for a while:

I tend to see nonconcentual or involuntary death (of people) as a bad thing. With the caveat that if said concent is given under duress (say depression or chronic pain) it doesn't count as concent.

I've met people who see all death of people as bad and would rather replace anyone who wants to die with the closest values-compatible version of them who doesn't.

I tend to find that latter position viscerally horrifying, even though I don't have a good argument against it.

What are the thread's thoughts? How does it change the form of uplift we're going for?
 
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