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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Tua said:
Merchant Information Network Observing and Researching Internationally?

The M. I. N. O. R. I. will have eyes everywhere.
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Yes, that is now the official name as far as I am concerned.

Whatever portion of Hazou I represent has just mentally labelled the storage seal containing our merchant intel network notes as such. Perhaps more of you can join me in this so that we can move to the "actually write it down" stage.
 
MMKII said:
Yes, we should do that.


Some sort of network of merchants that reports back to us and sells our wares. Hmm... they could be doing minor economic intelligence work for us as well maybe? Maybe we can call it the "Merchant Intel Network" ..?
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The Merchant Intel Network can link up with other organizations that share similar goals. For instance, the Leaf-mist trade group should ally with progressive groups based out of there, making it the MINAMI.
 
faflec said:
Has she set up a schedule with Noburi to do so? Sometime soon, perhaps?
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IIRC she's gone on record saying she's not comfortable with this. Whether thats due to accurate reasons, her typical imposter syndrome stuff, or her strong personal preferences independent of those two thats anybody's guess.
 
Noburi may or may not benefit from using two teachers(Asuma and Keiko). This will force Noburi to synthesize knowledge from said two teachers and ask clarifying questions.
 
MMKII said:
IIRC she's gone on record saying she's not comfortable with this. Whether thats due to accurate reasons, her typical imposter syndrome stuff, or her strong personal preferences independent of those two thats anybody's guess.
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eaglejarl said:
Noburi's eyebrows went up. "Well, that wasn't intimidating at all." He shook his head. "Do you think you can teach me?"

Keiko hesitated. "Perhaps? I am uncertain and I would be afraid of doing it improperly. You might be better off going to Sarutobi Asuma. He is the Monkey Summoner and, given who his father was, Sarutobi is far more likely to be a competent teacher than I."
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I read this as her thinking Sarutobi would be a better choice moreso than Keiko being a bad choice; either way, I'd rather it be with Keiko since I don't want us to be owing Sarutobi a favor.

Still, we're going to be asking her and it's still her choice. ...also need to talk to Kabuto and see if it's even possible, fml.
 
faflec said:
I read this as her thinking Sarutobi would be a better choice moreso than Keiko being a bad choice; either way, I'd rather it be with Keiko since I don't want us to be owing Sarutobi a favor.

Still, we're going to be asking her and it's still her choice. ...also need to talk to Kabuto and see if it's even possible, fml.
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Sure, we might as well give it a shot.
 
Lailoken said:
Y'know what would surprise the hell out of everybody without being openly contestable? Offering clanship to every clanless ninja who survived the Clash of the Titans and all the civilian dependents of everybody who didn't.
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Problem is power saturation.

Doing that would make it much harder to control the clan.
 
Could someone add to the QuINOA: "Has Noburi scheduled and met with Kabuto regarding Summoning/SC interactions with his bloodline; if so, what were the results, if not, when will he?
 
Lord Marshal said:
Aside from the fact that said plan has more than a few flaws that need to be resolved, some of which are massive and impossible to resolve.
"Give, little by little, weapons to everyone" it's a long term strategy completely that is disconnected from the Pangolin deal, that we can implement regardless of what we do with the current deal, and the Pangolin will be forced to accept it unless they want to be the only ones without seals.
So equating the two doesn't really make sense.
Aside from this, we have no idea how much time this plan will need to be implemented, or even when we can start implement this.
As it is now the answer is "We'll stop the deal...when we create Uplift in the 7th Path is guess?" that...is not answer, is the equivalent of a Kage saying "Well, we'll bring peace and prosperity when we conquer everyone" while making scorch squad: yes, of course, but point is not the long term strategy, but what are the parameters to stop the really bad thing you're doing now.
Saying you kick orphans in the face because in the future you will create a world without orphans is not really an answer.

So the question is, are we going to stop helping with Genocide when we are financially stable? When the hat is given? Because going full Kage and kicking the can down the road because "we're a genius that will find a way" seems pretty irresponsible when we're talking, again, about genocide.
Because otherwise we risk keeping the deal even when we don't need it anymore because "Money is always good".
IC our endgame is not making Hazou another Jiraiya, that sacrifices the little(Even if it's bigger than anything we did) picture for the big one because this is how it works.
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Alright, I'm a bit upset at how you've been levying these accusations at us despite past conversations on the matter making our opinions fairly evident and it just being flat-out rude to treat us with so little faith like we're just itching at the chance to commit more warcrimes, but I'll give you a quick rundown anyways:
  • It has always been the case, since the first arguments on this issue, that we only wish to support expansionist fascists until we have enough revenue that we don't need to. This means once we have salt, ice, and our other big mercantile ideas set up and the revenue from that is enough to sustain the clan we stop.
  • Your opinion that our plan for seventh path peace is fundamentally impossible doesn't seem to be a prevailing opinion, rather the most common stance seems to be that it's got challenges if it's to work but that if we put in the effort we should be able to manage those challenges. And given that we were one Keiko away from being in the middle of implementing it right now, it's far from the same thing as a Kage talking about peace through the supremacy of their own village.
I'm okay if you want to express further skepticism about the Seventh Path peace plan, and I'm also okay if you want to be a watchdog keeping us honest in our incentive structures. I'm even okay if you think it'd be better for the Goketsu to go bankrupt and all that entails than resume the deal, but please give us some credit that you're not the first person to think genocide is bad here.
 
Velorien said:
[checks quest subforum] Well, I'll be damned (likely anyway if the gods read this quest). I always assumed we were a small quest with a very active community, not fourth on the site. You people are amazing.
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Wait, there are site metrics? Rankings? I'm interested. Where can they be found?

MMKII said:
(There's that "Orochimaru time travelled back to the Kyuubi attack and decided to be less of a jackass with his life after that" quest that got obscene amount of votes (hundreds) every voting period, but they used 4-5 different options and specifically offered previews and hints of what each option would do beforehand if the unique voters count reached a certain threshold. Stuff like that is a bit of an outlier and comparing it runs into apples and oranges problems.)

Credit where credit is due: this is all thanks to you three being beyond amazing. Both you and @eaglejarl (and @OliWhail contributes too!) push out an absolutely massive amount of content on an incredibly consistent basis. That goes a very long way. :)
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Hey, Shed Skin was an amazing quest that deserved the attention it got, and it absolutely should count. It's not the only Naruto quest to do that anyway. There are QMs who offer to write extra content or reveal setting information whenever they reach a certain number of voters, for example.

The authors here are great, yeah.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Wait, there are site metrics? Rankings? I'm interested. Where can they be found?


Hey, Shed Skin was an amazing quest that deserved the attention it got, and it absolutely should count. It's not the only Naruto quest to do that anyway. There are QMs who offer to write extra content or reveal setting information whenever they reach a certain number of voters, for example.

The authors here are great, yeah.
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Maybe the QMs could offer content incentive if we reach a certain number of votes. Like, I don't know, put OliWhail on writing duty more.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Hey, Shed Skin was an amazing quest that deserved the attention it got, and it absolutely should count.
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I'm not denying that Shed Skin was an amazing piece of work, I'm just saying there's no point in comparing the activity of the two since we have fundamentally different quest structures.

Picking "[vote] Use the Headhunter technique to counter this attack, try to engage in CQC afterwords." out of a handful of options is just plain different from the paradigm we've got going on here. Especially when you consider incentives for high voter participation. We don't really operate that way, so its sort of like comparing apples and oranges. Both are pretty good, but they're awesome for different reasons and in different ways.
 
Akane's birthday is coming up in a month...I've noticed some people are thinking about giving her that jewelry thing we bought during the courier mission, if we're doing that does anyone have thoughts on how we'd present it given it was initially meant as a boyfriend-to-girlfriend gift?
 
faflec said:
Akane's birthday is coming up in a month...I've noticed some people are thinking about giving her that jewelry thing we bought during the courier mission, if we're doing that does anyone have thoughts on how we'd present it given it was initially meant as a boyfriend-to-girlfriend gift?
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"Here is your birthday present, Kagome helped me pick it out a while ago. Also, unrelatedly as Clan Head I'm increasing your allowance. Yes, you get an allowance. Thanks for being so damn awesome :) "
 
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