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- Academy City
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- They
That seems a bit optimistic. He was fighting the sage's brother when he died; what's the odds he traded the body to the sage? Be on the lookout for zombie Hanzo looking to kill us.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
- Location
- United States
Dang it autocorrect!
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
The point is to figure out that weird sealing failures can retcon reality in weird retroactive timey-wimey ish way I think
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Would doing that out of character as I thought was proposed actually affect Hazou's characterization?
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
It's a design decision to not actually talk to Keiko; the first portion is pretty much all about "we need to acknowledge first that we have made a mistake", because I'm worried that Hazou won't have thought it through even that far.
When the time comes to talk to Keiko, I do intend to either borrow it or vote for a plan that expresses something similar.
Now that I'm back, I'd like to reiterate that I have made massive changes to the plan; this is why I'm going to ping my voters; the Ino section for one is totally different.
@Evenstar, @Esryok, @Cariyaga, @Asquil, @faflec, @BG-Scout, @Raichu1972, @fiirofa, @Torpling, @The king Chad, @Inferno Vulpix, @Sentient Tree, @Rafin
Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
- Location
- Snarksville, Snarkland
We aren't trying to get henge to come back. We're doing this with the aim of investigating what eaglejarl has alluded to as world-building he didn't think the players would ever get after. It's no one's intention to cause more work for the QMs just for the sake of it. EJ has stated it isn't just a throwaway gag and shifts like this have major implications for the world and how events play out.
Can you take a step back and look at this from another angle? What if the reality you know actually was demonstrably very weird in surprising ways? Does it make sense for you to ignore that?
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
@Lailoken I hear you. But I think that we can get back to that once the winning plan involves talking to Keiko.
@Inferno Vulpix could you add something about talking to Keiko regarding the sale of food and/or hunting rights to Summons?
@Inferno Vulpix could you add something about talking to Keiko regarding the sale of food and/or hunting rights to Summons?
- Location
- Yes.
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
@Inferno Vulpix, @QTesseract, what do you think about the following:
With the actual meeting with Ami happening next update?
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- Location
- Germany
I agree. The Amis are already working towards our interests. In addition their way of social manipulation is highly compatible with Hanzo's (Both characters are governed by multiple minds). There is alot he can learn from their multi character emulation skill. I would like to propose an alternative to the direct approach in dealing with them. Bear with me, it's a little convoluted.
- Buy a small Hyuuga doll
- Get a Goketsu and a Nara stamp
- Get a blank piece of paper, write points on top and hang it up in the kitchen.
- Put the Hyuuga doll on a string and hang it below for Fifi to bat around
- Stamp the page once for each diplomatic point team Goketsu has scored towards the Hokage election (lets say two)
- Invite Ami for a study of social interaction in personal spaces with the purpose of better character modeling + plus there will be cake
- Train by creating a fitting personality to match the personality she is displaying (deception training)
- At one point show here the points page, explain that she is currently leading, points are marked on a honor system and that she already has her stamp. No further explanations
- Tell her the other player is finding it to bothersome to mark his points, so you as the game master are marking for them (Nara stamp)
- Tell her she is currently leading on points, but you will catch up
- As the superior Dungeon master, offer her the scorekeeper / gamemaster position. It will allow her to introduce house rules.
- Change topic, persona or start baking
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- Location
- Academy City
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- They
That's quite smart, I like it. Mari worked with Ami, which goes the other way too; Mari might have some insight into how she operates for us, and it covers the goal of helping us target our favor optimally. I'd say I'm now voting for your plan, but I was already doing that because I liked it already, this is just better.
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
I'll repeat my stance that the plan cache is not for people to unilaterally (or with a very small minority) push things into. It's more for things that have general acceptance and the only question is how and when.
I've seen people start plans by copy-pasting most of the cache and working from there, to get started on everything not yet done. Putting ideas that don't have consensus into the cache is a risk of causing headache from events like that.
(If you feel like I've made a mistake and let something like that in when it shouldn't, please inform me. I'm not infallible and if I've failed my admittedly only-just-taking-shape rules then I'd like to correct it)
Looks much better, thanks!
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Sidebar: Grumble, grumble, dumping FlexSpace. The only truly beautiful theme. Grumble, grumble.
I'm assuming that's a typo for "Naruto", but who is Shilamary?
Note that Ami is a Mori and not a Kurosawa. If you want her to teach general social skills that is at least feasible but she cannot teach you the use of the Iron Nerve.
Note that once something dies its chakra disperses. If you want to drain them then they need to be brought back alive.
EDIT: Also, the chapter where Asuma mentioned psychiatrists has been retconned to say priests. +1 XP as a thank you to @TaliesinSkye for the suggestion.
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Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
[x] Action Plan: Impure World Domination
[X] Action Plan: You can only have one #1 Priority
[X] Action Plan: You can only have one #1 Priority
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- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
The plan is rather that Ami could try to persuade Ren to give Hazou permission to learn Iron Nerve Socials from a Kurosawa, like Hana. The impression I got from Hana is that she'd teach us if she were allowed, so clearing the permission obstacle enables our access.
I'm also aware that this might not work, since I don't know much about Ami and Ren's situation or the nuances of how Ren would feel on the issue, but given what we've seen from Ren and the AMI, I feel like it's possible enough to be worth considering.
The situation has changed a great deal. Chances are that Ren could be convinced to sign off on it, or that Hana could be convinced to just do it anyway since her primary reason for not doing it earlier was concern about clan retribution and her family's safety. Even if she doesn't formally train him in secret techniques she is a more valuable resource than any of them.
If you want to patch things up with Keiko, offering her a solution which involves selling food instead of weapons at the same time would probably win a lot of points.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
I'm still limited to a phone right now, but I'll add that too when I get to a computer. It's a pretty great idea.
- Location
- Yes.
Shikaku's and Mari's love child.
- Location
- USA
@eaglejarl Shikamaru, sorry. I want a council to figure out if there is a way to concede the hat without being annihilated.
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- He/Him
It goes against my personal policy to point out things like this, but I would note she said pretty much this exact thing. In the afternoon discussion: "I've been distressed for a long time over this, and don't want to keep selling weapons". In the evening, she elaborated with, "I feel like my hands are covered in blood and I'm responsible for countless deaths".
Strictly speaking, debatable. In an alt timeline where Hazō never became the PC, there is a perfectly alive Hanzō doing the job instead of him. MfD has not presented a stance on multiverse theory.
For reference, I think you people are amazing for the way you think and the amount of thought you put into playing this quest. I'm sorry the social stuff is so difficult and frustrating, but at least that makes it properly simulationist.
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We tried to outsource social stuff to Hazo but he's not very good at this social stuff.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
It always surprises me when people say this. I think he actually handles social stuff better than average for a 14-15 year old. I also think that he has visibly improved. I suspect there's an element of negativity bias -- negative outcomes stand out in the memory more than positive ones.