Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Oh! What about putting a seal along the flat of a shuriken? Surely she's able to curve shots, right? It'd be a little obvious, but...
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Boomerang!
Seal License - Updated
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
Let's try this again. A big thank-you to @Adept_Woodwright, @Halberdier, and @Jello_Raptor for volunteering to make suggestions and vet changes.
Your seal licenses have come through, making both Hazō and Kagome fully recognized Sealmasters of the Village Hidden in the Leaves. To maintain this privilege, the Hokage Tower requires a fee of 100 explosive tags of various tiers per month.
Any seal intended for sale outside of the sealmaster's clan must be approved by the Tower. Applications to sell seals which have been approved previously consist of scheduling an appointment to demonstrate to a currently-approved sealmaster that you can explain and safely produce the seal. For this purpose, Jiraiya has signed off on Hazou producing the seals listed below.
Applications for the right to sell seals never previously approved by the tower must include a one-time fee of (20-100 depending on how draconian the Tower is feeling) copies of the fully functioning seal or set thereof for testing and the village reserve stock, along with written instructions governing the seal's intended uses and a copy of the sealmaster's notes in case the sealmaster dies before anyone else masters the seal.
This acts as a rudimentary form of patent protection/incentive: every sealmaster other than the inventor who makes that seal, or any seal derived from it, gives 50% of gross revenue from said seals to the original inventor for 2 years.
So long as you maintain your license, you may freely sell seals which lack 'substantial military applications', a classification over which the Hokage's administration maintains sole discretion. At present, these include:
The letter informing you of your licenses emphasizes that, though it should go without saying, buying or selling regulated seals without a receipt, or granting access to classified knowledge or equipment to unauthorized persons, is treason.
Your seal licenses have come through, making both Hazō and Kagome fully recognized Sealmasters of the Village Hidden in the Leaves. To maintain this privilege, the Hokage Tower requires a fee of 100 explosive tags of various tiers per month.
Any seal intended for sale outside of the sealmaster's clan must be approved by the Tower. Applications to sell seals which have been approved previously consist of scheduling an appointment to demonstrate to a currently-approved sealmaster that you can explain and safely produce the seal. For this purpose, Jiraiya has signed off on Hazou producing the seals listed below.
Applications for the right to sell seals never previously approved by the tower must include a one-time fee of (20-100 depending on how draconian the Tower is feeling) copies of the fully functioning seal or set thereof for testing and the village reserve stock, along with written instructions governing the seal's intended uses and a copy of the sealmaster's notes in case the sealmaster dies before anyone else masters the seal.
This acts as a rudimentary form of patent protection/incentive: every sealmaster other than the inventor who makes that seal, or any seal derived from it, gives 50% of gross revenue from said seals to the original inventor for 2 years.
So long as you maintain your license, you may freely sell seals which lack 'substantial military applications', a classification over which the Hokage's administration maintains sole discretion. At present, these include:
- Party Trick
- Air Freshener (probably no market)
- The eight basic Chime seals (probably no market)
- Explosive tags
- Alarm seals
- Air Dome
- Storage seals
- Usamatsu's Glorious Life-Saving Purifier
The letter informing you of your licenses emphasizes that, though it should go without saying, buying or selling regulated seals without a receipt, or granting access to classified knowledge or equipment to unauthorized persons, is treason.
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Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
- Location
- Snarksville, Snarkland
Thanks for the reminder. I have removed all occurrances of the word "OPSEC":
The vote is really split. Both leading plans look really good, to be honest.
I can't decide
Mine has a better name though and really at the end of the day that's all I care about
Pedantic clarification: 100 explosive tags each?
(to be clear, I don't have a strong opinion either way, but it should be explicit which one it is)
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This has an interesting effect of making Sealmasters welcome competition in a way. The Tower likely has an internal budget of how many seals they're interested in buying in a month and they stop when they hit that limit. You want to hit that limit so that you can then sell seals to other ninja for your own prices. If there are five sealmsters than each of them have to contribute less of their output then four sealmasters in order to hit the limit.
Of course, since the limit isn't announced or promised in any way, the Tower can punish any Sealmaster attempting to game the system by only going up to sell seals after their rivals by buying the seals anyway. I imagine over time there gets to be an informal equilibrium where a sealmaster brings in their selection once a week (since receipts last a week) and they have a pretty good idea how many the Tower will actually buy, barring wartime emergencies driving up Tower demand.
Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
- Location
- Snarksville, Snarkland
Whelp, it was good while it lasted. RIP Hazou, you will be missed.
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
Nor is skywalker, PMYF, or 5SB.
Though I think Kagome selling LBF is *probably* okay, and it not being included may have just been a slip on our part.
Yes, each, though Jiraiya's seal tax has been ruled by the Hokage's office to be fulfilled via fulfilling his duties as Hokage.
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Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
- Location
- Snarksville, Snarkland
Hazou: Excuse me, I'd like to get clarification. Here's an extensive list of seals my clan can produce that aren't mentioned on my license. I'd like to know, are they classified as military or not?
Clerk:
The economics will vary greatly based on whether the "standard rate" is above or below actual market rates.
If it's above market rates, then basically the game plan is to spam the Tower with "hey, wanna buy some seals?" and otherwise attempting to game the system so that these rents accrue to you rather than other sealmasters.
If it's below market rates, then the game plan is to batch-negotiate sales before getting the receipt, for delivery after submitting sufficient seals to the Tower to get them to start declining to purchase seals. No money changes hands before the receipt so everything is legal - you just entered a mutually beneficial forward contract where when you agree to attempt to get seals approved for sale, they agree to purchase a certain quantity at a specific rate.
(BTW, are forward contracts a thing in this setting, or do we have to invent them?)
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Collusion among sealmasters is probable and frankly beneficial.... knowing who the other sealmasters in the village are and having a chance to interact with them can only be to the good.
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
With right of first refusal, the Tower has no need to set their prices above market rates. They want to pay enough that you sell them the number of seals they need, but unless market rate is really low (i.e. doesn't exist) that price isn't going to be high for no reason.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
On the note of skywalkers: How would one go about providing them to the tower in exchange for cash or favors otherwise? Surely they wish to incentivize those sealmasters that can produce them to do so somehow...?
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
@OliWhail @eaglejarl @Velorien
I am happy with the license. Thank you for the time investiture! I think the 50% cut of profits due to blueprint ownership is a very nice touch.
I am happy with the license. Thank you for the time investiture! I think the 50% cut of profits due to blueprint ownership is a very nice touch.
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- Yes.
So we can't pay the tax via storage seals or the like, just explosive tags? Hm. Must suck for the guys who learned storage seals first.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
@OliWhail @eaglejarl @Velorien Is there anything preventing gifts of seals?
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I suspect that allowances are made for apprentices and their masters, but Hazou is sufficiently good at sealing for that to not apply.
Note: this incentivises sealmasters to share their research notes with each other openly, since if someone replicates your seal or creates a derivative seal then you get half the profits for two years.
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- Yes.
So what you're saying is that we should invent a seal that has extreme utility function to the point where it's an auto-include in every other seal. Like an automated self-destruct button for seals we don't want our enemies to get ahold of *cough*Skywalkers*cough*.
Or ARS. Everyone will want to learn it and produce it, and we get revenue.
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- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
It also means we're about to get a couple of representatives hyping up their own seals so they can make money; they're not going to waste the Lord Fifth's time, but some podunk wildlings that're promoted way beyond their rank should be an easy mark to get extra sealing production from.
KAGOME: (bluntly cuts through all their bullshit and calls them stupidheads for not just reconfiguring the Arashi nexus)
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
We could increase incentives for sealing research by publicly announcing that if someone else gets a combat-applicable seal approved, we'll learn it and then make 100 of them to sell to the Tower, thus giving them free money for researching it.
(we may need to make stipulations to avoid people just exploiting the promise without actually researching anything, but it's probably workable if we care to put in the effort)
(we may need to make stipulations to avoid people just exploiting the promise without actually researching anything, but it's probably workable if we care to put in the effort)