Yes, of course?
If that's the problem, just give the tower more explosive seals.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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Yes, of course?
If that's the problem, just give the tower more explosive seals.
Cariyaga
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Which... does exactly nothing to help clanless genin survive.
e: That said, setting up a standard stipend of seals for young genin sounds like a way to get around anything like that.
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I much prefer that it is done through a state program, rather than Clan Gōtesku doing it to "shore" up their support base.
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But it is a reasonable thing for the clan ninja to complain about.
It's a decent sounding argument that doesn't give away that they actually want to entrench clan power or prevent us from securing a larger support base amongst the clanless.
Politicians lie. A lot.
Cariyaga
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Sure. But that's not how I understood what Kiba said. What I read into what he said was "If you want to provide clanless genin with explosive seals to keep themselves safe, just provide them to the government," which doesn't actually help at all.
It also saps money(in term of opportunity cost) from Clan Gōtesku without doing any effort to prove or disprove that it increases the survivability of ninja.
Instead, we should design a program to test this proposition that better and more equipment increases the survivability of ninja squads and that it is cost effective. Once the proposition is tested, we should then figure out what the next step is.
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I agree. It wasn't a direct responses so much as a side note that I think is with considering.
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For context, it's my understanding that the Tower *at least* equips people going on missions with *at least* a minimal set of seals, if not more/more frequently, which is what the 100 explosives / month is meant to feed.
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I dislike the idea of giving more seals to the government without figuring out how to improve the productivity and/or numbers of sealmasters. It strikes me as an unsustainable solution that eats up more of our time in seal production especially as we work on productivity multiplier seals such as force wall variants.
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Cariyaga
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Hm. That's good to know, but...
That's... 3000-5000 explosive seals per month (guaranteed-income for 30-50 sealmasters). How many of those go to (clanless) genin? I'd imagine most of those go to chuunin and jounin on missions that're more likely to see combat where they'd need them. If ninja go on more than one or two mission a month where they need to use explosive seals, then Konoha would run out, and better to have an excess than too few.
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So what counts as classified equipment? Are explosive tags considered 'classified equipment'? Because I thought we gave a ton of those out for favors/free at the Chunin exams, including to ninja of other countries...
Cariyaga
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It's also no less transparent.
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Seals whose existence is classified.
Everyone knows explosive seals exist.
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To be clear, does this mean 'For two years after the seal has been approved by the tower, anyone else who makes it pays royalties' or 'For the first two years a given sealmaster is approved to sell this seal, they pay royalties on it'? The two interpretations mean very different things from the perspective of the sealmaster who invented the seal.
What does the absence of seals like Force Wall, 5-Seal Barrier, or Lesser Barrier Formation from this list mean? Is it simply that we haven't been approved for them already, or that they fit as 'seals the tower has never previously approved'?
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"You may offer seals accompanied by valid receipts to anyone, at any rate you can successfully negotiate."
Free is a rate, under some lenses. But 1 Ryo per seal is definitely also a rate. And it does not say we need be consistent in this, so we can offer clanless ninja such massive discounts as we choose, and effectively we are giving them away for free.
Some reasonable percentage of our monthy sales should be sold at said rate for charity to clanless folk, and the rest is sold to make us a massive pile of cash.
Everyones happy.
Free is a rate, under some lenses. But 1 Ryo per seal is definitely also a rate. And it does not say we need be consistent in this, so we can offer clanless ninja such massive discounts as we choose, and effectively we are giving them away for free.
Some reasonable percentage of our monthy sales should be sold at said rate for charity to clanless folk, and the rest is sold to make us a massive pile of cash.
Everyones happy.
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AFTER WRITING THE BELOW, I DECIDED IT ACTUALLY JUST LOOKS LIKE PARANOID KAGOMESQUE RANTING.
THIS POST CAN PROBABLY BE IGNORED.
Here are my assumptions, as best I can identify and isolate them:
THIS POST CAN PROBABLY BE IGNORED.
I'm mildly afraid that the Hiashi's of the world are going to see this as a further Gouketsu power grab.
Here are my assumptions, as best I can identify and isolate them:
- Being a clan ninja comes with financial security, political power, and generally speaking 'backup'.
- Having powerful ninja in your clan supports the clan's revenue and political power
- There are far more clanless ninja than clan ninja.
- Clanless ninja who are very powerful, like Guy for example, exist.
- The first and second points suggest to me that clans should be constantly stealing, by 'adoption' or marriage, all the powerful clanless ninja.
- The third point, and the relative financial advantage than clans have over individuals seems to suggest it would be a buyer's market
- That does not seem to be happening/have happened. I could believe that an agreement, spoken or unspoken, exists between clans to not try and steal all the powerful clanless, because that could lead to the village breaking down into internal strife.
Cariyaga
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Good, fuck 'im. It'll give him something else to focus on.
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@Jello_Raptor is correct here
I believe it's the former
That you are not currently approved for them, though we're reviewing the specifics of which seals Kagome is authorized to sell
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As @OliWhail said, it's the first one.
Sure. And if the Tower decides you're jumping through loopholes, they'll send you to T&I. This is a military dictatorship; rules lawyering gets no traction.
Actually, no. Clan ninja have survival advantages, so there are far more clan ninja than clanless. I believe at one point we said it was 2/3 clan. @OliWhail or @Velorien, back me up?
I decided not to vote for either leading plan because I'm really not interested in the least in "Game Night" and wish it could be skipped over with one sentence, "You have game night; it seems to go pretty well."
But apparently 19 voters disagree, so okay, I guess the story will focus in on that update. Really hoping for a time skip and more long term stuff next time though.
But apparently 19 voters disagree, so okay, I guess the story will focus in on that update. Really hoping for a time skip and more long term stuff next time though.