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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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I know that Kagome can do this with vests and bag-straps (Noburi's gift IIRC) but this isn't limited to just explosives. It's better than that. Also: we don't always get access to Kagome.
You can make a thin -laptop shaped box as I outline in that post to get an omnidirectional Macerator grenade with a handful of Macerators. (If you want to use 3 :1 ratio of Misterators to Pangolin Pepper or Dragonfly Dust (we should grab more of this) , you can do so).
You could also make some sort of "Coconut Bomb" with a soccer ball sized polyhedral shell (one that can be cut in half, assemble each "half" separately, attach together. I have a mental model of this but after ~10 minutes of searching I can't find the right one on Wikipedia). This could also potentially use Macerators, and allow us to use a handful of them at once.
The point is not "This would be a good thing to have." really. The point is "I can explicitly think of ways we can probably design this to deliberately skirt the action economy in a combat round so that this thing only takes a supplemental or two to use."
The later seems decently good to have IMO.
Remark: I dislike these people immensely but I don't actually wanna murder anyone of course. I am pretty sure that's the actual standpoint of most of us outside of the joke of sending them all to the sun, but at this point I feel the need to clarify my personal stance.
Probably not the most thread relevant topic of conversation anyway though
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Don't wanna be that guy, but are you awarding the 3XP for getting scoring info?
Point: Kagome's shaped charges are awesome, completely agreed, but they're also probably the kind of actual trump card we shouldn't try to use at the Exams. Without them, our attacks are generally limited to spherical explosions, which are generally unwise to mount on one's body 
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E: Also, I'm pretty sure they don't come in training tag level, so they're horrifically lethal (as they should be for splatting stinking stinkers, of course).
.E: Also, I'm pretty sure they don't come in training tag level, so they're horrifically lethal (as they should be for splatting stinking stinkers, of course).
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AHA! As the laws of irony and fortune demand, I have literally just found the shape in question!
Coconut Bomb Schematics
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"I want to use ~8 seals in a given round, and I have some preptime beforehand."
Coconut Bomb "Half":
Attach LBF elements and ammunition on opposite faces.
(the angles might need adjusting, worst case scenario is we just have a cube with one missing face. )
From what @eaglejarl said about how he mentally pictures LBF's working, this seems possible.
If they don't work as he said he pictured (ink sides facing each other), then we can do this with a different small polyhedron (I assure you there are enough of these that there is an alternative).
Coconut Bomb:
Attach ninja wire with some wax on the interior edges of each half in such a way that pulling it passes it through the LBF's (shouldn't be difficult)
Attach each "Coconut Bomb half"at the missing face with wax/glue and some (perhaps thicker or triple braided) ninja wire wrapped around and tied to the other ninja wire. Jutting out as a detonation cord.
Alternatively, skip the det-cord step and just glue the halves together if you want to smash in half.
I think all of Team Uplift can (if using seals with a second or two of delay/timers): Smash it on the ground (underfoot maybe) and GTFO
Keiko can: Throw or otherwise disperse these and then smash it with a kunai or shurken. Smashing this will in all likelihood activate everything too. (Takes more than a full round of combat). Just throw them (full round of combat).
Hazou can: Smash underfoot or otherwise activate with detcord, and then GTFO (HLaM).
Noburi can: Activate with detcord, rip in half. Do this with Misterators if he wants ~8 of them activated at once.
Pros: Skirts the action economy. Versatility in seal usage. No shaped charges!
Cons: Awkward to carry, each one is a bit of an arts and crafts thing that might take an hour or two to make.
Remember: The entire purpose of this is to skirt the action economy on general seal usage.
Potential Problem: These can be used with Skywalkers to do high-altitude aerial bombardment without timers... However, this already exists out in the wild. So if anything it benefits us from thinking of it first, as far as IC stuff goes.
Thoughts and criticism, as always, appreciated.
Edit: Also with how I have the ninja-wire frame on the edges of this, if you smash it over your knee or something to separate the halves, the ninja wire framing should be pulled off the interior edges and pass through the LBF's.
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Awesome.AHA! As the laws of irony and fortune demand, I have literally just found the shape in question!
Coconut Bomb Schematics
or
"I want to use ~8 seals in a given round, and I have some preptime beforehand."
Coconut Bomb "Half":
Pretend the bottom face is just nonexistent.
Attach LBF elements and ammunition on opposite faces.
(the angles might need adjusting, worst case scenario is we just have a cube with one missing face. )
From what @eaglejarl said about how he mentally pictures LBF's working, this seems possible.
If they don't work as he said he pictured (ink sides facing each other), then we can do this with a different small polyhedron (I assure you there are enough of these that there is an alternative).
Coconut Bomb:
Attach ninja wire with some wax on the interior edges of each half in such a way that pulling it passed through the LBF's (shouldn't be difficult)
Attach each "Coconut Bomb half"at the missing face with wax, glue and some (perhaps thicker or triple braided) ninja wire wrapped around and tied to the other ninja wire. Jutting out as a detonation cord.
Alternatively, skip the det-cord step and just glue the halves together if you want to smash in half.
I think all of Team Uplift can (if using seals with a second or two of delay/timers): Smash it on the ground (underfoot maybe) and GTFO
Keiko can: Throw these and then smash it with a kunai or shurken. Smashing this will in all likelihood activate everything too. (Takes a full round of combat)
Hazou can: Smash underfoot or otherwise activate with detcord, and then GTFO (HLaM).
Noburi can: Activate with detcord, rip in half. Do this with Misterators if he wants ~8 of them activated at once.
Pros: Skirts the action economy. Versatility in seal usage. No shaped charges!
Cons: Awkward to carry, each one is a bit of an arts and crafts thing that might take an hour to make.
Remember: The entire purpose of this is to skirt the action economy on general seal usage.
Potential Problem: These can be used with Skywalkers to do high-altitude aerial bombardment without timers... However, this already exists out in the wild. So if anything it benefits us from thinking of it first, as far as IC stuff goes.
Thoughts and criticism, as always, appreciated..
Since seals are (I assume) either rectangular or square, would a box be the most efficient way of stacking the maximum number of seals in a given area? Just glue a bunch of the seals on to a wooden board, with their edges lined up either touching or a small, set distance away from each other (1 cm?). You do the same with an identical board and the corresponding seals. Then do the same thing two more times so that you have 6 boards total, and use glue or something to turn them into a box with each side facing the one that holds its corresponding seals. Orientation can be handled by drawing an arrow on each board that shows which direction the seals are aligned in.
Things that need optimized:
Dimensions of the boards. We want to not have any space that isn't being used by a seal or to hold the box together. Furthermore, we want this to be small enough to carry long distances using skywalkers, so the dimensions should be a multiple of whatever width/height a seal takes up, plus however much is necessary to glue the boards together, AND should be as close as possible to the minimum distance that LBF seals need to be from each other to activate.
Uses: A bomb. Mainly for arial bombardment.
Drop it from a height, and watch the fireworks.
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Advantage over Coconut Bomb:
Contains more seals than a Coconut Bomb, and (I think) more seals per volume.
May be easier to put together, since it's just a box. I don't know of any reason for people to have perfected polyhedron shaped containers already, while we can be sure that boxes exist. Therefore we should be able to find someone who can help us put together a box pretty easily, if for some reason it isn't intuitive for Hazou (like with gunwands).
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Basically: It depends on too many details that the QM's likely havent thought about in this way yet, for us to know for sure.
However: I think the above design works as advertised in most cases, modulo some scaling and slight screwing around with the shape in question to get the angles right.
I'm a bit fuzzy on the dimensions for the Coconut Bomb. I think it would have to be basketball to beach ball sized. It might not even be roughly spherical. To use the design above, worst case scenario is you have a big rectangular box that can be divided into two cube shaped open-faced boxes. The size might end up being a bit longer box with similar shape to you average "24 pack of beer or soda cans".
There's a whole other slew of ways I can think of to utilize LBF elements + Seals + ninja wire + wax + "not super complicated wooden object thingy" to make some useful one-shot things but this is the one I think we'd get the most utility out of long term.
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Sounds useful. I'm proposing that we also design a more specialized version, which mainly just packs as many seals as possible into the smallest shape possible. Something specialized for wiping out the largest area possible when used against a village. Yours certainly has more utility for most things, but this should still be useful once we need to start arial bombardment of a village or something.
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I guess the only issue I can see with that is
More Exploives =/= Bigger explosion
Unless we find a mechanism that disperses the explosive tags really well. I think Kagome has something like this though.
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Personally: I'm not doing any of these Sealtech inventions at the moment to really do anything like that.
I'm doing it so we can cheese the shit out of a round and a half or so in the Tournament, without any chakra usage.
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We should instead focus on making more ways to destroy villages without killing the people in them!
*Seriously, though, our nonlethal kit needs work.
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Yep! I was talking more to Sentient Tree than you. I love your idea.
I think in the tournament we should use a completely different strategy in each match to show off our tactical genius.
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Kagome maneuver
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I'm not advocating for super duper Go-go-gadget Sealmaster! usage outside of the first round or so. After we get to the quarter finals we can vary it up.
This depends on who gets to the tournament. If we have a slew of ringers, we might need to microplan a strategy for each of them in advance.
Incidentally, that was the inspiration for this, more or less.
Thank Kagome for all his Jashin-touched creations and his infinite explosive wisdom.
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By the way, something @Cariyaga has been talking about but I have neglected to actually look at in depth:
@Vecht had proposed a clusterbomb design a while ago that does everything I want to do with the Coconut Bomb (basically) but more:
@Vecht had proposed a clusterbomb design a while ago that does everything I want to do with the Coconut Bomb (basically) but more:
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[X] Sealingtech Research: Clusterbomb
The main idea being to use combinations of seals on the attachments together with Kawarimi on the partially released objects. Substitute with them or remotely manipulate them with Zephyr's Reach for highly customizable tactics and battleground control.
If we can't time-delay the explosive seal, we should be able to create a physical delayed-action or impact-sensitive mechanism with tripwire that is primed before use.
In Chapter 100 Kagome thinks this is possible. He also showed us his own version "Grapeseed bombs".
These are both kinda small, so presumably they rely on Kagome's miniature versions of seals we have (last I checked, we were not good enough to make 'em this small, but he totally was.)
I don't know if these are still viable after the rules change, and I also don't know if Kagome's grapeseed bomb's are good for versatility (its unclear what exactly is activating the ammo he has around the center explosive. Maybe some of his explosive tags are "Blow up on destruction." ? Seems like a Kagome thing to do.)
However: If we have access to his miniature version of our seals anyway, we can just make mini Coconut Bombs that are more or less ~grenade sized (pineapple grenade or stick grenade, depending on variables).
In fact, we can probably combine all three of them together in some way that create some unholy "any seals you want" clusterbomb device. (But I don't wanna think about how to do that in great depth.)
These are both kinda small, so presumably they rely on Kagome's miniature versions of seals we have (last I checked, we were not good enough to make 'em this small, but he totally was.)
I don't know if these are still viable after the rules change, and I also don't know if Kagome's grapeseed bomb's are good for versatility (its unclear what exactly is activating the ammo he has around the center explosive. Maybe some of his explosive tags are "Blow up on destruction." ? Seems like a Kagome thing to do.)
However: If we have access to his miniature version of our seals anyway, we can just make mini Coconut Bombs that are more or less ~grenade sized (pineapple grenade or stick grenade, depending on variables).
In fact, we can probably combine all three of them together in some way that create some unholy "any seals you want" clusterbomb device. (But I don't wanna think about how to do that in great depth.)
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Lies! Lies and heresy!
Hrmmm... The pangolins laying underground banshee fuckers could probably cause liquifaction and mass damage to masonry. We might have to work up some sort of impedence bridge. With some calculations and a bit of quick testing a network could be laid out to create standing waves and swallow buildings whole.
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Would be useful for killing people, but he's not willing to show off mist drain.