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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Jello_Raptor
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Good lord, I really hope that we don't need to preserve chakra structure in order to prevent information theoretic death.
Problem is Bijuu exist, and those are clearly minds encoded in pure chakra. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to stick one in Naruto's belly button.
On the other hand, humans are supposed to predate chakra, so we might actually keep most of our brain in our meat.
Vecht
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WHY WOULD YOU DO TH--oh, nevermind.
Cariyaga
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Well, I'm more thinking of Noburi doing that as analogous to CPR -- it keeps the body "alive" while he gets it back in working order.
e: Added to the PK doc, but: @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail What're the numbers as far as we (read: Kei) know on the number of bloodline ninja as compared to non-bloodline ninja?
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Jello_Raptor
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Right, but if enough of the target's mind is encoded in their chakra and that has completely dissipated before Noburi refills it, then you'll just get a vegetable back. Enough of their brain has been erased.
Edit: You'll get a vegetable back if you're lucky.
Cariyaga
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He could always get another Noburi!
Jello_Raptor
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He could always get another Noburi!
I stand by what I said.
Cariyaga
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Oh holy shit. Here's a research project for Noburi: We are aware that Bloodlines occasionally pop up out of nowhere, right? Well, what we don't know is that any random civilians might have bloodlines too, just they can't use them because they don't have enough chakra.
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Maybe it's more like a brain upload? That chakra copies all the information but because it's passive it's not doing anything with it. This could explain how shadow clones work, just that it's able to integrate new information back into the brain ( fuck MfD Shadow Clones must be actually dangerous). Bijuu are just chakra information, that's why you can destroy them and they can reform.
Also weirdly enough, it explains how Canon!Edo Tensei works, you don't really use souls, but the uploaded information (not just the brain but the whole body, Nagato got his healthy body back after all, Madara came back young).
I mean 'infinite' information storage isn't really the weird part of chakra.
Cariyaga
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Jeez, apparently this is Chakra Science Revelation Day or something. This actually makes a lot of sense to me; dunno if it's accurate or not. Let's see, what can we do to falsify it... Uh, other than ask Jiraiya for permission to experiment with Edo Tensei
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We might have to partner Noburi with a Yamanaka for something like that, if medical jutsu can't easily identify the existence of a bloodline. Use Mind Transmission no Jutsu to get the Yamanaka in control of the civilian, then use Noburi's chakra water to give the body enough chakra to try stuff for a moment.
Of course, some bloodlines aren't evident immediately, so we'll probably get false negatives, and we'll get a lot of false negatives if a Yamanaka controlling someone with a bloodline doesn't know how to make it work even when it's immediately usable, but that's easy to figure out one way or another.
Cariyaga
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I was more thinking using Medical Ninjutsu/Knowledge to determine it -- though that'd work too, I suppose
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For the record, I have no problem with y'all insulting each other's parentage, calling each other stupid idjits, or telling the other person that they're Wrongy McWrongPants. (If it gets too heated I'll probably say "Hey, cool it before the mods show up.") My problem is when people call each other dishonest.
Pasted to GM chat, will let you know when we have an answer.
Raxner
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Suppose we research and give civilians physic-only blunderbusses, for protection against chakra beasts. People are inventive--it's not unreasonable to assume that after a few hundred years they get from blunderbusses to modern weaponry. Our world did.
At that point (or potentially even before), you've got a lot of highly experienced gun users using very powerful weapons, all of whom are motivated to make ninjas stop killing them and their families. So they start thinking about how to do that.
How do they do that? EagleJar (I think) already had Orochimaru discuss it in another story. Have two or more shooters ambush the ninja, one shooting at the ninja and the other(s) shooting at potential swap targets. (Sorry, I don't remember the real term at this moment.) If the ninja doesn't have an automatic swap-spell in place, the ninja dies. If the ninja does have an automatic swap-spell in place, the ninja swaps--to a spot that's also getting saturated with bullets. Ninja dies.
This is admittedly weak against Hyugas, with their evil cheating no-ambush eyes--but most ninjas aren't Hyugas, and I don't have to think of everything in advance. There's a whole world of ingenious (fictional) people who would (presumably) like to be secure in their lives to think about how to deal with Hyugas, when the time comes.
Even before that, as civilians gradually morph into non-ninja non-civilians--Samurai with firearms--it becomes worthwhile for Villages to create non-ninja forces to augment their ninja forces. Non-ninjas start getting real military training--helping them get to the point where they could be a genuine threat to ninjas, and be able to force ninjas to treat them as human beings, that much faster.
A critical difference between this and the pseudo-Liberator fiasco is that there is no central charismatic leader preaching against the ninjas. There's nothing for the Villages to squash--just a few civilians with laughable little weapons that protect them from chakra bunnies. Everything is gradual and unplanned, giving this revolution an actual chance to slip under the Kage-radar and make a difference, eventually.
In any event, from Hazo's perspective, what's to be lost? He doesn't, and can't, know all this. All he knows, and all he needs to know, is that if he gives blunderbusses to civilians (if he learns enough to invent them), they can protect themselves a bit better from chakra monsters, which serves the stated goals of Team Uplift.
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Cariyaga
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Setting aside the efficaciousness and likelihood that this happens as you stated (as I'm not in a position to judge that), I don't think that Hazou would be able to get this past the Nara without them thinking this through to that point.
Raxner
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It is possible that either they miss it--after all, it's a chain reaching several hundred years into the future in-world--or that they, or Jiraiya, decide that the time-adjusted risk is minimal and authorize blunderbusses for civilians.
But suppose they nix it. What have we lost? They're hardly going to execute Hazo for not having thought through the implications of firearms roughly five hundred years in the future.
Plus, the physics knowledge that would be necessary for Hazo even to think of blunderbusses has got to come in useful one way or another. Ought to be on our bucket list, if we can find an excuse to set his creative little mind on that trail.
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Aren't the Nara lazy?
H: ...so now fighting can be done by civ--
N: YOU MEAN WE WON'T HAVE TO PERSONALLY FIGHT!?
H: Uhh... I guess?
N: Ahem--the Nara Clan supports this proposal.
Cariyaga
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Physically, yes. Intellectually, no.
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Again, power balance. You give any civilian the power to kill Kages with luck and being unnoticed, and suddenly the Hidden Village system goes way the hell out of whack. It's not just a Shinobi World War Four we have to contend with, but likely a Warring States Period, as people readjust their combat doctrines, get lucky on an assassination, etc. until there are only minor powers in a state of constant war. Let's not go there, m'kay?
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Counter point the world didn't fall into anarchy when we developed guns in the real world. And any kage that can't tank a bullet doesn't deserve to be a kage
Cariyaga
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Japan did.
We went through two world war and an atom bomb, and now we live under the specter of Mutually Assured Destruction and nuclear weapons.
We are lucky to be living under Pax Americana, and even so, we did not achieve world peace that Hazō so desired in the Elemental Nations.
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Yeah but that's what happens when you give radvic a billion dollar budget. That's not a consequence of inventing guns