Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

Velorien · Dec 7, 2021

Shrooms said:
I thought I was told on discord the other day that this was mostly civilian builders, (not that it really matters at this point) now I don't know what to believe!

Some things that took months, yes. Everything you did with MEW, like putting up a wall around the compound when you moved in, and the emergency shelters after the Collapse, no.

Shrooms said:
How much chakra does each clone need to do resolve training?

Depends on what they're doing, but probably not much. However, it is assumed that shadow clones perform the full range of training, same as the user. Mechanically, this is because all SC XP goes into a general pool like normal XP, instead of being tracked separately. Asking us to change this is unlikely to end up in your favour. Narratively, it is because there's a limit to how much benefit you can gain from any single training method. For optimal results you need to vary the activities, which may mean practicing staying focused while doing different things.

Shrooms · Dec 7, 2021

Velorien said:
Depends on what they're doing, but probably not much. However, it is assumed that shadow clones perform the full range of training, same as the user. Mechanically, this is because all SC XP goes into a general pool like normal XP, instead of being tracked separately. Asking us to change this is unlikely to end up in your favour. Narratively, it is because there's a limit to how much benefit you can gain from any single training method. For optimal results you need to vary the activities, which may mean practicing staying focused while doing different things.

Nah this makes sense to me, ninja have to do maintenance training too to make sure the skills they already have don't get worse. Looks like LM has started doing some calcs using 50 CP per clone for training, does that seem sufficient?

Velorien · Dec 7, 2021

Shrooms said:
Nah this makes sense to me, ninja have to do maintenance training too to make sure the skills they already have don't get worse. Looks like LM has started doing some calcs using 50 CP per clone for training, does that seem sufficient?

If your training consists of 2-3 rounds' worth of chakra expenditure per clone, sure.

Oneiros · Dec 7, 2021

We should get back to work trying to get 7th path chakra farm to work. Hides OPSEC with regards to chakra and helps us crack sage mode

Shrooms · Dec 7, 2021

Oneiros said:
We should get back to work trying to get 7th path chakra farm to work. Hides OPSEC with regards to chakra and helps us crack sage mode

We aren't even using the farm on the Human Path because the koi need to breed. Do you want to wait another 4 years to get a koi farm in the 7th path (assuming the eggs can be transported there)?

EDIT: I wonder if the nature chakra of the 7th path would affect the koi. Would it kill them? Would we be able to safely drain them if it didn't kill them?

RandomOTP · Dec 7, 2021

Just received news of a death in the family. My activity within the hivemind is likely to decrease for the next week or two. l pre-submit my apologies if I act out of character for a while.

Oneiros · Dec 7, 2021

Shrooms said:
We aren't even using the farm on the Human Path because the koi need to breed. Do you want to wait another 4 years to get a koi farm in the 7th path (assuming the eggs can be transported there)?

EDIT: I wonder if the nature chakra of the 7th path would affect the koi. Would it kill them? Would we be able to safely drain them if it didn't kill them?

I was thinking of constructing a farm using native 7th path fauna as our chakra source. But a better idea would just to drain the summons directly

Shrooms · Dec 7, 2021

Oneiros said:
I was thinking of constructing a farm using native 7th path fauna as our chakra source. But a better idea would just to drain the summons directly

When nobs gets Sage mode that seems like a really good idea. Pretty sure that will kill us at the moment though

Lailoken · Dec 7, 2021

Velorien said:
Honestly, no. The chakra science especially. I must say I'm confused about what makes it sound fun to you (IC, as a way to spend time with Snowflake).

The thing is, if she doesn't have her own memories, she doesn't have her own personality, which would be tantamount to saying that she is not a person. If you wish to suggest to Snowflake that she claim this in the name of OPSEC, more power to you.

Edit: More generally, I'm confused about what this is meant to defend. Shadow clones having their creators' memories is the main thing everyone knows about the technique, since otherwise they wouldn't share the creators' skills or be able to pass as them, and would be strictly worse than elemental clones. Snowflake having her own memories is an effect of the Frozen Skein which it is useless for anyone to know about.

??? No, it doesn't.

Also, I named Mari. Why would you tell me what her name is or is not referencing?

Reasonable overall, with the caveat that I would say there are always things you can do at a given time, and often some of them are time-sensitive.

Mari (given name) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Perhaps it's just an interesting coincidence.

Pharos · Dec 7, 2021

[X] He Blinded Me With Science
Yay for Snowflake date. Can we add gathering and reporting current skyslider capabilities to Asuma? Time and materials needed to manufacture, ability to cast jutsu, how easily it can be stored in seals and put together, distance and speed in different conditions.

Again, dating Snowflake without having her mesh well with Akane and Ino is dangerous imo. Still, a single date is a good way to see where things go. I can't think of any date improvements, but I do want catgirl ears for Snowflake. How can we achieve that???

I'm not voting for Damn Consequence plan due to timeskip. I also don't think celebrating the skysliders at this time is the right way to go about it. They still need testing refinement, and investigation into manufacturability. Also I think Hazō has a high chance of making a social blunder by asking Hokage to congratulate civilians personally. I know its funny to imagine a civilian being shocked, but Asuma might not be amused and we are at war. Another possible social blunder is if painting flowerpots is socially acceptable to Yuno, since it could be taken as coming into her or something. Why not ask Noburi first? I do like celebrating Akane's birthday, but Hazō-pilot will do that anyways. You can't socially embarrass yourself if you never do social things *taps head*. And being embarrassed on dates is fine, expressing vulnerability is good.

RandomOTP said:
Just received news of a death in the family. My activity within the hivemind is likely to decrease for the next week or two. l pre-submit my apologies if I act out of character for a while.

I'm sorry to hear that. You're pre-forgiven for any out of character actions.

Shrooms said:
When nobs gets Sage mode that seems like a really good idea. Pretty sure that will kill us at the moment though

Draining summons on 7th path will kill us? Aren't they not chakra constructs but full living beings? I can see how it'd be easy to keep buying chakra a secret if we buy from toads/dogs/pangolins/spiders on the seventh path.

Velorien · Dec 7, 2021

RandomOTP said:
Just received news of a death in the family. My activity within the hivemind is likely to decrease for the next week or two. l pre-submit my apologies if I act out of character for a while.

Please take care of yourself, and don't worry about thread contributions or acting out of character. Even if you hadn't said anything, I would just have assumed you were taken over by lupchanzen, an unfortunate twist of fate for which you cannot be blamed.

Edit:

Lailoken said:
Mari (given name) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Perhaps it's just an interesting coincidence.

The "truth" spelling is number 1 on that list. I explicitly gave you the kanji and readings corresponding to number 4.

Shrooms · Dec 7, 2021

Pharos said:
Yay for Snowflake date. Can we add gathering and reporting current skyslider capabilities to Asuma? Time and materials needed to manufacture, ability to cast jutsu, how easily it can be stored in seals and put together, distance and speed in different conditions.

I had that but I removed it, pretty sure Velorien doesn't really like writing that stuff. Could add it back and be offscreened I suppose.

Pharos said:
I'm not voting for Damn Consequence plan due to timeskip.

Paper removed it I think

Oneiros · Dec 7, 2021

Shrooms said:
When nobs gets Sage mode that seems like a really good idea. Pretty sure that will kill us at the moment though

Yes using this as an explicit strategy to get more information about nature chakra and get closer to sage mode is an explicit upside of this plan. We obviously don't pull the trigger till confirmation that it's safe

faflec · Dec 7, 2021

@Shrooms I'll vote for your plan if you include a scene celebrating Akane's birthday.

Pharos · Dec 7, 2021

Shrooms said:
I had that but I removed it, pretty sure Velorien doesn't really like writing that stuff. Could add it back and be offscreened I suppose.

Paper removed it I think

Yeah offscreen it. Just the action of reporting it is enough. He mostly removed it but still had the timeskip by preference line. And timeskips are very dangerous imo, I don't like even the possibility.

And yes what faflec said can we have an Akane bday scene?

For GM fun points, snowflake is already there. We could also interact with Keiko if we have a reason?

Shrooms · Dec 7, 2021

faflec said:
@Shrooms I'll vote for your plan if you include a scene celebrating Akane's birthday.

Pharos said:
And yes what faflec said can we have an Akane bday scene?

That's outrageous! Done.

Shrooms said:
[X] He Blinded Me With Science
Word Count: Low

After training Kagome for the day, ask Snowflake to hang out. It's wartime after all, so they should make memories together while they can! Hazou hasn't been around her nearly as long as the others.

BE MINDFUL OF HER THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS, YOU WANT TO BE A SUPPORTIVE FRIEND AFTER ALL. NO SERIOUSLY HAZOU, PAY CLOSE ATTENTION.

Ami-Style training: Have Snowflake toss practice Kunai at Hazou to help him train back up to field-readiness. Have Hazou face away and dodge them solely by the movement of their shadows.

Celebrate Akane's birthday.

Offscreen Stuff:

Update Asuma on current Skyslider capabilities.

The first successful Skyslider, model name "Michiki", has been made.

Is this useful enough to think about scaling production up?

Emphasize the contributions of the civilian team

Hazoulation:

Give the team a large bonus.

Congratulate them and thank them, but note that their work isn't over yet.

Tools like this could be imperative to winning the war

Any improvements to stability, flight speed, and duration could be helpful.

Obviously there is plenty more space to expand on the birthday segment if yall so desire

Lailoken · Dec 7, 2021

Velorien said:
Please take care of yourself, and don't worry about thread contributions or acting out of character. Even if you hadn't said anything, I would just have assumed you were taken over by lupchanzen, an unfortunate twist of fate for which you cannot be blamed.

Edit:
The "truth" spelling is number 1 on that list. I explicitly gave you the kanji and readings corresponding to number 4.

Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a linguist.

Pharos · Dec 7, 2021

Lailoken said:
Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a linguist.

You good, Lailoken? You've been all over the place recently.

faflec · Dec 7, 2021

Shrooms said:
Is this useful enough to think about scaling production up?

What does this mean, exactly? Are we talking about mass-producing the current design, scaling production of better models, xor something else?

Shrooms · Dec 7, 2021

faflec said:
What does this mean, exactly? Are we talking about mass-producing the current design, scaling production of better models, xor something else?

Yes.
(idk i stole it from paper's plan

)

EDIT: Perhaps "How many more would you like them to make of this model?"

Lailoken · Dec 7, 2021

Pharos said:
You good, Lailoken? You've been all over the place recently.

I've just been through botulism food poisoning and spent days curled in a fetal position vomiting on myself and crying in agony. I've been recently reminded that, if I do everything right, I might have five years left to live and two or three of those might be functionally independent instead of chained to cords, wires, and IV lines forgotten in a hospice somewhere. Y'know the funny thing about veins bursting like overloaded pipes? It doesn't actually hurt. It feels like popping bubble wrap. You feel something on your foot and look down and, oh you're geysering blood. Then it keeps happening over the course of under a minute until you are covered in bruises and your skin has turned lemon. It's like something out of a horror film.

How has your week been?

Lord Marshal · Dec 7, 2021

Shrooms said:
That's outrageous! Done.

Obviously there is plenty more space to expand on the birthday segment if yall so desire

My price is the same for everyone, Join the "Shiny For Akane" Crusade, everyone is accepted!

Lord Marshal said:
Would you be willing to add something along those lines?

Explain Akane's situation, skillset and time-sensitive nature(With her consent) of the situation to Cannai . Does he have a Jutsu that can help her survive? If needed, You won't teach it to anyone else aside from her ,you just want her safe.

Ask Noburi to do the same with the Toads.

Search the library for appropriate jutsus.

Worse scenario, we obtain a good jutsu for Akane and use another training plan.

Pharos · Dec 7, 2021

Shrooms said:
That's outrageous! Done.

Obviously there is plenty more space to expand on the birthday segment if yall so desire

Is it a good move to name it Michiki? A whole team worked on this.

Aside from speed and steerability, improvements to casting jutsu while flying and ability to pack it up and transport it seem important.

Also, I recall someone mentioning mixing or treating spider silk with other substances to improve the material. Can we suggest that? I'll try to find the specific post

Lailoken said:
I've just been through botulism food poisoning and spent days curled in a fetal position vomiting on myself and crying in agony. I've been recently reminded that, if I do everything right, I might have five years left to live and two or three of those might be functionally independent instead of chained to cords, wires, and IV lines forgotten in a hospice somewhere. Y'know the funny thing about veins bursting like overloaded pipes? It doesn't actually hurt. It feels like popping bubble wrap. You feel something on your foot and look down and, oh you're geysering blood. Then it keeps happening over the course of under a minute until you are covered in bruises and your skin has turned lemon. It's like something out of a horror film.

How has your week been?

That does not sound fun.

Its been pretty good, thanks. My favorite niche indie game, Troubleshooters: Abandoned Children just updated and the new content had me estatic.

Shrooms · Dec 7, 2021

Lord Marshal said:
My price is the same for everyone, Join the "Shiny For Akane" Crusade, everyone is accepted!

We're intending to speak with the Dogs in the next update, kinda makes sense to me to have the conversation then, personally

Lailoken · Dec 7, 2021

Pharos said:
Is it a good move to name it Michiki? A whole team worked on this.

Aside from speed and steerability, improvements to casting jutsu while flying and ability to pack it up and transport it seem important.

Also, I recall someone mentioning mixing or treating spider silk with other substances to improve the material. Can we suggest that? I'll try to find the specific post

That does not sound fun.

Its been pretty good, thanks. My favorite niche indie game, Troubleshooters: Abandoned Children just updated and the new content had me estatic.

I just found out that Timothy Zahn wrote a new Thrawn book, so hooray. Perhaps I am allowed to have some nice things.