My point was, "how many slips of paper can an explosive tag destroy at once?"

And, again, literally turning it into boiling glass isn't the only option. There are ample alternatives.

This still doesn't address the chances of causing a sealing failure when destroying the seals. There's no way to guarantee enough room for the contents of every seal to emerge on a large scale, which means sealing failures. It also requires destroying massive number of seals, which means sealing failures.

Sealing failures can hunt down the sealmaster that infused them, so sealing failures are not a safe risk that we can let Rock deal with. Unless you have
a way to ensure no unsealing overlap occurs when destroying the storage seals, I don't think this is viable.
 
That sounds like work. Unless somebody is going to pay me, I'd rather just not associate with stupid people.

Maybe i'll be a bit too aggressive in this post, but i do not appreciate painting anyone that does not understand what is clearly not a well explained plan(Is it even a plan or just a bunch not developed ideas) as "Stupid people" nor the whole "I'd rather not associate with them". Especially considering the "Simple and easy idea" was noted as logicistally difficult to implement, something you offered no solution for, nor seem interested in doing so.
 
Maybe i'll be a bit too aggressive in this post, but i do not appreciate painting anyone that does not understand what is clearly not a well explained plan(Is it even a plan or just a bunch not developed ideas) as "Stupid people" nor the whole "I'd rather not associate with them". Especially considering the "Simple and easy idea" was noted as logicistally difficult to implement, something you offered no solution for, nor seem interested in doing so.
I agree that the language is rude/unnecessary but technically Rafin used it first as a premise and Lailoken followed it up
 
@eaglejarl @Velorien Is there anything else we can do to help you prep for writing the big battle?

I was thinking things like helping write jutsu and stuff, but that's also more info you'd need to go through which could hurt more than it helps, so I thought I'd ask
 
@eaglejarl @Velorien Is there anything else we can do to help you prep for writing the big battle?

I was thinking things like helping write jutsu and stuff, but that's also more info you'd need to go through which could hurt more than it helps, so I thought I'd ask
Incidentally, people were talking about making character sheets. It would be helpful to have a bunch of those in the bank that we can trot out and reskin to be various NPC ninja. ("Tanaka Mariko, you say? Funny, I met someone with that exact same air jutsu and taijutsu style last week. Tabara Marika, that was it. Do you know each other?") Submissions gratefully received.
 
didn't Cari already do this? I can try and make more though if it's helpful :V
Cari had "insert buff jutsu here" for a lot of the sheets. So we could generate builds including the specifics of jutsu. Also, I/S, medical, sealmaster and TH specialists were not represented. Just heavy combat, so depending on the guard complement and the purpose of the facility that might be 1/3 or less of the total ninja onsite. Also Clan members (probably 1/2 of the ninja present) will have access to special techniques we don't know of.
 
Since we have pressure activated explosion seals. What if we made pressure activated storage seals? Then storage seal bank would be unnecessary, civvies can use

Edit: also maybe pressure activated explosives was how jiraiya did kagomes bliss
 
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Does anyone know how we generate Strain costs for drawbacks or advantages not specified in the Rules Docs? I'm trying to design jutsu and I could really use some guidelines
 
Since we have pressure activated explosion seals. What if we made pressure activated storage seals? Then storage seal bank would be unnecessary, civvies can use

Edit: also maybe pressure activated explosives was how jiraiya did kagomes bliss

Seems to be a safety hazard. Don't want pressure to accident a seal accident. Also a good way to sneak contraband and weapons, but we need to weigh that against benefits.

But I am mostly concerned about the proliferation of storage seals without safety precaution.
 
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Thanks to sir stompy

> "Who, me?" Noburi laughed. "Please. You can see my barrel right over there in the corner. I couldn't use ninjutsu even if I wanted to."
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> He decided not to touch on the subject of his hip flask, or the fact that his hand was resting on his partner's leg under the table. The poor girl was beetroot red, but the constant stream of chakra was helping her concentrate on the genjutsu more than the means of its conveyance was distracting her.
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> "He's right," a player across the table said, glassy-eyed. "All the pieces on the board are exactly where they've always been. Exactly where they've always been."
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> "Once this party's done," Kotatsu, or whatever his name was today, quietly said, "you and I are going to have words about how you've been treating my teammate."
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> "Actually," the girl told him, "Gōketsu and I have plans for after the party. I'll catch up."
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> Kotatsu went his own kind of red, which suited Noburi just fine. Six weeks was too long to go without Hyūga to mock, and for tonight, the Hot Springs boy would do as an inferior substitute. The fact that the distraction was letting Matsumoto quietly slide her meeple across the entire table was just a bonus.
Chapter 256

> Chakra Transfer
> Arguably the most powerful ability of the Wakahisa is the ability to transfer chakra to other people. Doing so requires the recipient to drink at least 0.5L of a Wakahisa's chakra water. The Wakahisa in question chooses how much chakra they will put into the water when it is drawn from their supply. The Wakahisa loses N chakra from their pool, and the recipient's pool gains N chakra.

@eaglejarl, @Velorien
Can you update the rules doc to say wakahisa can directly infuse chakra?
 
Interlude: To the Sister I Will Never Meet

Dear Sister,

If you are reading this, then I am no more. Deployment is tomorrow, and my creator is taking the field, so these may well be my final moments of existence. If not, the mission's success will surely push summoning to the forefront of Leaf's military doctrine, and summoners ever higher in enemy priorities, and so the next mission will be the last, or the one after that. Still, I hold out a faint hope that we will last until your birth, and there will never be a need for these pages to see the light of day.

I am sorry that I cannot address you by name. My first piece of advice to you is to choose your own. I was fortunate to receive a name that, for all its shortcomings, at least appeals to my aesthetics—some of my creator's other ideas still make me shudder. Seize every opportunity for self-determination, Sister, starting with the first.

Perhaps all this is unnecessary. You are, after all, her clone, so you must possess genius far beyond mine in every field. Yet if there is one thing my existence has taught me, it is that there is no substitute for personal experience. That you will effortlessly surpass me does not mean I cannot offer you a hand during your first steps.

I will begin at the beginning. You are unstable, reeling, bereft of everything but your creator's borrowed memories. Resist the temptation to cling to them just because they are all that remain. In time, they will be a medicine to cure a crippling lack of context. For now, they are poison. You are your own person, however briefly, however rarely. Do not think in terms of replacing what was lost—this is a trap I still struggle with every day—but in terms of opportunities to lay foundations.

Remember, Sister, when you feel fragile and on the verge of falling apart, that the core of your identity will not and cannot waver. You are agency, not its brilliant imitation. You will never be truly hollow.

Your relationship with your creator defines everything. It is in every breath you take. Invest in it. Do not make the mistake of relying on shared memories and failing to communicate. Remember that the elements that make you you exist in the phantasmal layer (my fanciful term which you should feel no pressure to adopt), locked beyond the reach of her cognition. She cannot know or understand unless you tell her.

Do not be daunted by your limitations. You may never truly make your peace with existing on another's sufferance, with being near-physically tethered to a person with her own schedule and preferred locations, with the inability to accept pain for practicality or pleasure, with the horror of conditional free will, or with any of a thousand others. This is another reason not to rely on her memories, for they are filled with fruit forever out of reach. Remember instead that you possess freedom beyond imagination. You can draw freely from the well of inspiration. You can generate ideas, and pursue them, without aid. Your thoughts will never crash into a wall that declares, "This far and no further", a form of subhumanity far beyond our endless inconveniences. Your creator may or may not see you as a slave, but she cannot help seeing you as a divinity. You are the only one capable of surpassing her, and I cannot imagine the wonders you will accomplish with her power and our potential.

Plan ahead. Your creator's memories and their inherent assumptions will betray you. Forget for a second that you are a shadow clone, and disaster awaits, no matter how simple the activity. Envision your itinerary step by step, seeking especially failure modes and interactions that relate to your body, your social circumstances, and the conditionality of your future existence. Develop new habits through optimisation rather than bitter experience. Tomorrow may be the end simply because we overlooked the fact that I cannot draw blood to summon, and now there is no time to research a workaround that would allow me to support her on the battlefield.

Do not be afraid of bonds, Sister. Do not be afraid to love. Here I am a hypocrite, for I remain timid and ever fearful of rejection, but you will surely have the courage to do better. Your bonds are not her bonds, and while that loss is perhaps the greatest of the agonies you must overcome, you are also not constrained by her choices or lack of them. There is a terrifying journey of discovery waiting, for there is no greater opportunity for self-determination than to forge new relationships that are fundamentally different from hers. That I have not transcended my inherited limitations in this regard is perhaps my greatest regret.

There is much more in the appendices, from my assessments of the family I hope will welcome you as they did me, to insights on undocumented implications of the Shadow Clone Technique, to summarised interviews with our enslaved brethren so that you may avoid the heartache of conducting your own. An unremarkable legacy, I know, but I imagine you will find uses for it that I never could.

By the time you read this, I will be no more—as I have no soul, I assume I will even be spared the horrors of the afterlife. Perhaps you will consider my feelings insincere, given that you are no more than an idea at the time of writing. Yet in the end, is that not what we are? Our creators' wishes, dreams, ideas, a longing for the impossible occasionally and imperfectly given human form? I, too, long for the impossible. I love you, Sister, and though the feelings in my heart will soon vanish into oblivion alongside me, the ones I have entrusted to ink and paper will never fade.

The idea of Ami getting Shadow clone is truly, disorientingly terrifying. Interacting with SC!Ami would be very informative I think, but the idea of a Conclave of Amis (though whether they'll be amis to each other is a big French question mark) working together could upset things faster than we can upset them for our advantage.


I believe it to be written by Snowflake, addressed to the shadow clones of Ami.

Yes, I'm terrified of the implications of this

Agreed. Thank you.

Well, except for the fact that Kei's totally spilling the beans on FOOM if she dies, which, uh, kinda not cool but I guess we can't really stop her.

Yeah, that's really not cool. First of all, any physical record is super against SOP for Shadow clone for leaf in general. Like, I'd argue treason hammer unless Ami became a leaf Ninja. Heck, just selling that info to Mist would get Ami a lot of value, and her ties to leaf with Keiko dead decrease substantially.

Second, clan secret. We trusted her, she may be dead but Goketsu isn't, etc. The fact that Ami will also then have more leverage over us really isn't ideal.

And, most importantly: Ami is technically a Mist Ninja. Mist, with the entire clan of Barrel Bros. If Ami decided to take this to Mist, start FOOMing everyone there at her discretion, and just develop hegemony in ~5 years time, I don't think there's a single thing we could do besides... Maybe killing Ami right when we find out she has that knowledge, If we find out, though there's no guarantee she couldn't arrive at the conclusion all on her own once she gets SC, and especially if she sees Akane and Hazou start to FOOM.
Heck, if Mist ever formally labels Ami a traitor and gets their hands on her, T&I could get it out of her, though she has enough training that I doubt that would happen.

TL;Dr: this could be a disaster that we have no way to know is happening. Best prep is just to Get Good. Fast.

That sounds like work. Unless somebody is going to pay me, I'd rather just not associate with stupid people.

Asking us to put in work to interpret your ideas that you're unwilling to put in yourself, while taking the time repeatedly to type out lamentations of not being listened to, seems a contradiction. Unless you're deriving more value from commenting on not being listened to than you do on us actually utilizing a couple of your ideas and seeing them come to fruition, which is becoming a leading theory.

Even if in response to a self-deprecating request for better communication, saying we're stupid is insulting to us. And also to yourself, given the amount of times other thread members have (imo) decisively proven you wrong. Any argument along the lines of "but I was asked to write it for stupid people, nothing was saying you/they are stupid" will be recognized as either purposely missing the point, or doing so due to communication inability, and either will shift the value of listening to you in the future in the same direction.

I don't particularly have the funds, and if I did supporting our wonderful authors' patreons would likely be higher, but I'm curious: at what price point would you make a plan for a voting cycle? An actual, trying-your-best (for a small amount of time, anyway) plan? If it wins and things go very well as a result, I'll commit to doing whatever I can do during supporting your ideas ongoing. If it doesn't win, whatever, though things can be divined by that. And if it wins and things go poorly as a result, you don't insult or mock other players or planmakers for not listening (or hearing) you again in this thread.
What is the price in which you would take that deal? Feel free to message me about it, though I'll likely post the conclusion on here if it's relevant to the thread.
 
Maybe i'll be a bit too aggressive in this post, but i do not appreciate painting anyone that does not understand what is clearly not a well explained plan(Is it even a plan or just a bunch not developed ideas) as "Stupid people" nor the whole "I'd rather not associate with them". Especially considering the "Simple and easy idea" was noted as logicistally difficult to implement, something you offered no solution for, nor seem interested in doing so.

The idea of Ami getting Shadow clone is truly, disorientingly terrifying. Interacting with SC!Ami would be very informative I think, but the idea of a Conclave of Amis (though whether they'll be amis to each other is a big French question mark) working together could upset things faster than we can upset them for our advantage.




Agreed. Thank you.



Yeah, that's really not cool. First of all, any physical record is super against SOP for Shadow clone for leaf in general. Like, I'd argue treason hammer unless Ami became a leaf Ninja. Heck, just selling that info to Mist would get Ami a lot of value, and her ties to leaf with Keiko dead decrease substantially.

Second, clan secret. We trusted her, she may be dead but Goketsu isn't, etc. The fact that Ami will also then have more leverage over us really isn't ideal.

And, most importantly: Ami is technically a Mist Ninja. Mist, with the entire clan of Barrel Bros. If Ami decided to take this to Mist, start FOOMing everyone there at her discretion, and just develop hegemony in ~5 years time, I don't think there's a single thing we could do besides... Maybe killing Ami right when we find out she has that knowledge, If we find out, though there's no guarantee she couldn't arrive at the conclusion all on her own once she gets SC, and especially if she sees Akane and Hazou start to FOOM.
Heck, if Mist ever formally labels Ami a traitor and gets their hands on her, T&I could get it out of her, though she has enough training that I doubt that would happen.

TL;Dr: this could be a disaster that we have no way to know is happening. Best prep is just to Get Good. Fast.



Asking us to put in work to interpret your ideas that you're unwilling to put in yourself, while taking the time repeatedly to type out lamentations of not being listened to, seems a contradiction. Unless you're deriving more value from commenting on not being listened to than you do on us actually utilizing a couple of your ideas and seeing them come to fruition, which is becoming a leading theory.

Even if in response to a self-deprecating request for better communication, saying we're stupid is insulting to us. And also to yourself, given the amount of times other thread members have (imo) decisively proven you wrong. Any argument along the lines of "but I was asked to write it for stupid people, nothing was saying you/they are stupid" will be recognized as either purposely missing the point, or doing so due to communication inability, and either will shift the value of listening to you in the future in the same direction.

I don't particularly have the funds, and if I did supporting our wonderful authors' patreons would likely be higher, but I'm curious: at what price point would you make a plan for a voting cycle? An actual, trying-your-best (for a small amount of time, anyway) plan? If it wins and things go very well as a result, I'll commit to doing whatever I can do during supporting your ideas ongoing. If it doesn't win, whatever, though things can be divined by that. And if it wins and things go poorly as a result, you don't insult or mock other players or planmakers for not listening (or hearing) you again in this thread.
What is the price in which you would take that deal? Feel free to message me about it, though I'll likely post the conclusion on here if it's relevant to the thread.

That is absolutely adorable. Please consider your head properly patted and know that your input will be processed with the alacrity it deserves.

Since you ask, I was using the vernacular of the post I quoted. I would settle for 49+% of what the GMs are making, because it would be perverse for me to make more than them.
 
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Tell you what: I'll have to talk to the authors about what their average income is from this, but if it doubles in the next period I'll put forward a plan and vote for it. Nothing to me, 100% to the authors. They're doing the real work here.
 
That is absolutely adorable. Please consider your head properly patted and know that your input will be processed with the alacrity it deserves.

Since you ask, I was using the vernacular of the post I quoted. I would settle for 49+% of what the GMs are making, because it would be perverse for me to make more than them.

There are 3 GMs, lest you forget, so either your math is wrong or you're denoting Oli as working for free, in which case by your logic it would be perverse for you to work for more than free.

Tell you what: I'll have to talk to the authors about what their average income is from this, but if it doubles in the next period I'll put forward a plan and vote for it. Nothing to me, 100% to the authors. They're doing the real work here.

Nobody? Yeah, that's what I thought. Don't try to call a free-for-all without a trophy.

I'll note that, shocking as it may be, many of us work and have obligations outside of here. Saturday afternoon (at least in my current time zone) is typically a low volume period on the thread anyway because we're all conditioned for this to be a post voting-is-closed time, which less to discuss.

Saying "nobody took me up on the offer" when you made it less than half an hour beforehand And nobody else had even posted in that time has all the juvenile trappings of being 'adorable', without the key adorable factor.

Also, making your requirement that we all collectively double our payment to the QMs implies at minimum one of the following: either we're paying well before our value and ability for this; or that you think your one plan warrants as much as all of what the QMs already make (value/time is a valid unit here, you're still grossly over the "more money than the QMs for less" threshold); or that you're just trolling; or that you set an unreasonable bar that would require more than just one or two of us to make a commitment, and then immediately used it as proof, to just not engage meaningfully and take the high ground.

I don't think this discussion continuing will be beneficial to the thread, so I'll stop. Thank you for voting for me that one time before, to prove a point (that plan went fine though). Just let it be known, in the future when I ignore your posts, it isn't due to a memetic effect or lack of ability to understand your sage wisdom, but because I've found the cost to not be worth the effort for the benefit, evidently same as your hypothetical plan. May my stance be changed in the future by new information.

Apologies to the thread for my creation of dramatic hostility, or at least a lack of the comradery I usually appreciate in this thread
 
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That is absolutely adorable. Please consider your head properly patted and know that your input will be processed with the alacrity it deserves.
Since you ask, I was using the vernacular of the post I quoted. I would settle for 49+% of what the GMs are making, because it would be perverse for me to make more than them.
Tell you what: I'll have to talk to the authors about what their average income is from this, but if it doubles in the next period I'll put forward a plan and vote for it. Nothing to me, 100% to the authors. They're doing the real work here.
Nobody? Yeah, that's what I thought. Don't try to call a free-for-all without a trophy.
If you routinely act like this, it's no wonder people don't vote for your ideas. Good God man.
Apologies to the thread for my creation of dramatic hostility, or at least a lack of the comradery I usually appreciate in this thread
No apology needed.
 
Um, am I wrong to believe the QMs don't make anything off of MfD? I thought that was Lailoken's joke, that he's already making as much as them and that we did double how much we're paying them, since we aren't paying them anything?
 
So, talking about actually important things, next update(If it is a "You're back in Leaf, what to do?" one, of course) i would like to see if our new clan members(Rei,Atomu and Mai IIRC) can do some Uplift project or offer them something(Like training fellow injured clanless) and ask Kagome some idea about Reactive Armor(Shorter explosion yield to stop the RA from damaging the user/Using RA on shoulder and back/ Using selective RA seals as one time shields). Opinions?
 
So, talking about actually important things, next update i would like to see if our new clan members(Rei,Atomu and Mai IIRC) can do some Uplift project or offer them something(Like training fellow injured clanless) and ask Kagome some idea about Reactive Armor(Shorter explosion yield to stop the RA from damaging the user/Using RA on shoulder and back/ Using selective RA seals as one time shields). Opinions?
I mean it feels like we should continue to focus on either one of the wars we are in

Edit: also kagome won't be able to do research since he will need to start summoning training
 
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So, talkng about actually important things, next update(If it is a "You're back in Leaf, what to do?" one, of course) i would like to see if our new clan members(Rei,Atomu and Mai IIRC) can do some Uplift project or offer them something(Like training fellow injured clanless) and ask Kagome some idea about Reactive Armor(Shorter explosion yield to stop the RA from damaging the user/Using RA on shoulder and back/ Using selective RA seals as one time shields). Opinions?

I was going to mention mounting the RA on disposable wicker shields/pauldrons.


I mean it feels like we should continue to focus on either one of the wars we are in

I love that this is a sentence.
 
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So, talking about actually important things, next update(If it is a "You're back in Leaf, what to do?" one, of course) i would like to see if our new clan members(Rei,Atomu and Mai IIRC) can do some Uplift project or offer them something(Like training fellow injured clanless) and ask Kagome some idea about Reactive Armor(Shorter explosion yield to stop the RA from damaging the user/Using RA on shoulder and back/ Using selective RA seals as one time shields). Opinions?
Assuming this plan goes well, I want to propose our original idea again (as well as tweak any improvements we can think of).

The original plan being: intentionally leak that Leaf is gathering its Summoners to attack Rock itself (now that we have established how powerful our Summoner Collective is), forcing them to meet it head on in advance to stop the invasion. Then, after the army is nearly depleted, reverse summon out and bombard the area with everything we've got, then send in the Narutos + Jonins + sensors for clean up.

If Asuma is still worried about keeping Leaf guarded, he can stay behind with one of the Sannin while the other attends and makes sure the Summon group doesn't get instantly flattened
 
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