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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Lailoken said:
Since you're the one asking, okay, I'll endeavor. I do, however, maintain my claim on the deterrent trophy of "I can demonstrably escalate faster and harder than you can." I wielded my own compound fracture as an improvised edged weapon against an apex predator to strangle it from inside its own throat before I was old enough to masturbate to earn that one.
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This right here? This is the sort of passive-aggressive thing I'm talking about. You don't need to swing your "I'm the most badass and could beat you up so be grateful that I am graciously agreeing to behave nicely" balls around. You could have simply stopped after "I'll endeavor" and looked like a gracious and mature person. Instead you had to go off on a vulgar brag that sounds like made-up baloney that I wouldn't put in one of my stories because people would laugh at me for the unrealism. If you want to back it up with actual evidence that such a thing happened, great. Otherwise, stop.

And for the record: My next escalation is to ask a mod to threadban you for a week. The escalation after that is to have you threadbanned permanently. What's yours? Posting some dramatic words?
 
Oneiros said:
Ok there are 2 parties that will learn about this from the assault. Rock which we will completely destroy as a military power. They aren't going to be able to send out any squads that can threaten us cause frankly everyone stronger than us will be dead. So not worried about that
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I think we have to accept that we will miss some Rock nin no matter how successful the attack is. Word is going to get out. Those survivors will probably defect to Cloud or Mist and tell them everything they know.

EDIT: I think Cloud is likely to start something when they find out. Mist or Sand would probably choose deepen their alliance, but people do stupid shit when they're scared.
 
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I know a punching chapter is about to come out --and I am, genuinely, both excited and terrified by that ---but I'm already planning action plans for downtime/decompression time for Hazou. I'm thinking something relaxing with Akane, a dinner date with Ino where they go dancing, and then tea with Snowflake and Kei.

(it now occurs to me that I may yet another barrier between EJ and his punching :p)
 
Can you summon while in the summon realm? If hazou doesn't think it'll kill him. We should test this out. Summon teleportation capability.
 
eaglejarl said:
This right here? This is the sort of passive-aggressive thing I'm talking about. You don't need to swing your "I'm the most badass and could beat you up so be grateful that I am graciously agreeing to behave nicely" balls around. You could have simply stopped after "I'll endeavor" and looked like a gracious and mature person. Instead you had to go off on a vulgar brag that sounds like made-up baloney that I wouldn't put in one of my stories because people would laugh at me for the unrealism. If you want to back it up with actual evidence that such a thing happened, great. Otherwise, stop.

And for the record: My next escalation is to ask a mod to threadban you for a week. The escalation after that is to have you threadbanned permanently. What's yours? Posting some dramatic words?
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Heh. Very well put. I'm going to take it under advisement whilst I go away for a while and wind down before I say something unforgivable after a very difficult week.
 
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eaglejarl said:
This right here? This is the sort of passive-aggressive thing I'm talking about. You don't need to swing your "I'm the most badass and could beat you up so be grateful that I am graciously agreeing to behave nicely" balls around. You could have simply stopped after "I'll endeavor" and looked like a gracious and mature person. Instead you had to go off on a vulgar brag that sounds like made-up baloney that I wouldn't put in one of my stories because people would laugh at me for the unrealism. If you want to back it up with actual evidence that such a thing happened, great. Otherwise, stop.

And for the record: My next escalation is to ask a mod to threadban you for a week. The escalation after that is to have you threadbanned permanently. What's yours? Posting some dramatic words?
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For what it's worth, something that occurred to me recently is that it may be an adaptive habit developed from growing up in an environment where the only people who actually cared if you lived or died were over the horizon and so incompetent that they put you in that situation in the first place. I'm sorry I disturbed your profoundly excellent work.
 
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Lord Marshal said:
Also, the other villages won't know how we did it, just that we did. And the only recognizable part of the Summoning Army is...well, the Summons.
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This sounds like a good thing to me, honestly. An unknown weapon is way more useful than an unknown one

roobee said:
Can you summon while in the summon realm? If hazou doesn't think it'll kill him. We should test this out. Summon teleportation capability.
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No, you cannot
 
Shrooms said:
Hazou having to personally escort a team of dogs across the 7th path to reach arachnid instead of just summoning them to his location.
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He and all previous summoners might not have thought about summoning on 7path. Summoners are rare enough that no one else realizing this is plausible. Given skywalkers worked.
Also it could be that if you summon a dog while on 7path. They appear in the human path at the location that you left the human path.
 
RandomOTP said:
"Noburi, can you fill me up on chakra for FOOM?"

"...Akane, I've never been able to do that. What's FOOM? Are you okay? Maybe you should drink some water..."
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"Water? What's that. Noburi, why are you wearing a barrel. What does "Mist" mean.

Cue *Screaming in Kagome* about reality being eaten by dragons or something.

roobee said:
He and all previous summoners might not have thought about summoning on 7path. Summoners are rare enough that no one else realizing this is plausible. Given skywalkers worked.
Also it could be that if you summon a dog while on 7path. They appear in the human path at the location that you left the human path.
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So summoning creates a Chakra construct. So even if you could summon on the path, it wouldn't be them, and would likely lead to Bad Things. Existential dread, at minimum.
 
roobee said:
Can you summon while in the summon realm? If hazou doesn't think it'll kill him. We should test this out. Summon teleportation capability.

Shrooms said:
No, you cannot

roobee said:
Source?
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To the best of my recollection it has never been discussed among the QMs. Personally, I would say that it can't be done, since it doesn't fit with my mental model of how summoning works -- it creates a tunnel between dimensions and constructs a chakra shell into which it imbues the consciousness of the person being summoned. I'd be extremely surprised if @Velorien or @OliWhail disagreed with me and astonished if they both disagreed. We run on a "majority of the caring" system which usually means a majority vote so that's what it would take to make it so this worked.

Not a definitive answer but hopefully satisfying.

EDIT: I should note that I'm posting this because it seems like something they would be obvious from Summoner training.
 
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roobee said:
But if hazou with his summoner training knowledge thinks that there is no reason to believe it will lead to bad things. Then we should test it out
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I would note that in-universe, while there may only be a small number of summoners (and thus more opportunities for shenanigans) this is talking about hacking in a completely new ability using the core of what a summoner is/does (ie summoning) and thus would be among the least likely areas for undiscovered exploits to live.

By comparison, with sealing, we've found the majority of our exploits in either altering non-combat seals or in altering how to use non-combat seals. Thus, it would be much more surprising to discover a secret "bigger boom" hack in an explosion seal (because that's what people making those will be looking for) but it's less surprising to discover a secret "bigger boom" hack in storage seals, because most people working on and thinking about those are going to be thinking about how to improve the storage part of them, not the "but what if we use the time that Hirota lost their arm unsealing a bundle of firewood" part of them.

(All of this is beside the fact that Birdduke already soft vetoed it, I'm more focusing on the kinds of patterns you would find abnormally helpful gains in.)
 
Icehawk78 said:
All of this is beside the fact that Birdduke already soft vetoed it
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Eaglejarl left it ambiguous what he meant by "it can't be done". Whether he means nothing would happen if you tried, or whether only specificly teleportation of summons wouldn't happen while leaving open other effects happening. For example, he mentioned opening a corridor between realms. This interpretation still fits with the scenario where summoning on 7path summons the summons onto the human path in the place you left.
 
roobee said:
Eaglejarl left it ambiguous what he meant by "it can't be done". Whether he means nothing would happen if you tried, or whether only specificly teleportation of summons wouldn't happen while leaving open other effects happening. For example, he mentioned opening a corridor between realms. This interpretation still fits with the scenario where summoning on 7path summons the summons onto the human path in the place you left.
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All Summons on the Human Path pop when the Summoner Reverse Summons, so it wouldn't make sense for it to work that way.
 
Ipsos Custodes said:
I'm curious what you mean by that, if you don't mind elaborating.
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My understanding is that between the three if them, they first get input on whether a given author cares about the answer to a given question at all. Of those who expressed an interest in the answer whatsoever, the majority opinion is the one that holds.

So, if all three care, then whichever answer has the support of at least two authors is the answer that becomes reality. If only one person cares about the answer to a question and the other two don't, then the person who cares gets a unilateral decision on the question. (In a scenario where two of the people care but the third doesn't, I assume they just drag the third in and make them care anyways, if there's not already unanimous agreement among the two who cared).
 
Icehawk78 said:
My understanding is that between the three if them, they first get input on whether a given author cares about the answer to a given question at all. Of those who expressed an interest in the answer whatsoever, the majority opinion is the one that holds.

So, if all three care, then whichever answer has the support of at least two authors is the answer that becomes reality. If only one person cares about the answer to a question and the other two don't, then the person who cares gets a unilateral decision on the question. (In a scenario where two of the people care but the third doesn't, I assume they just drag the third in and make them care anyways, if there's not already unanimous agreement among the two who cared).
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I further posit that it goes something beyond a binary care/don't care system. If someone cares with every fiber of their being there might be some level of deferral to that person.
 
roobee said:
Unless them popping is triggered by the summoner going to the 7path, instead of the summoner being at the 7path.
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eaglejarl said:
Personally, I would say that it can't be done, since it doesn't fit with my mental model of how summoning works -- it creates a tunnel between dimensions and constructs a chakra shell into which it imbues the consciousness of the person being summoned.
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My mental model of why Summons pop when the Summoner Reverse Summons is that without anyone anchoring the tunnel on the Human Path it's swiftly scrambled. That would preclude any Summons hanging out on the Human Path without a Summoner. They have no anchor for the tunnel without one.
 
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