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For max value would need a second Wakahisa but might still be viable with just Nobs if we don't want to play diplomat
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
I am getting tired of pointing out that Mist has their own geopolitical reasons to want this fight over with as fast and clean as possible and the Wakahisa have perhaps the largest inter-village investment of any clan anywhere short of perhaps the Kurosawa, who have their own ample reasons to support the Mizukage. Oh, also a named character is closely related to no less than three other named characters.
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Listen you don't have to sell me on this. I 100% want to take a trip to mist to do diplomacy since Hazō can't go into the field
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Both of us have Patreons. @eaglejarl writes a bunch of different things, but I believe my patrons are mostly MfD players, so in a sense, it is a source of income for me.
For however much it counts, your combined efforts are worthy of applause.
This a link to Embrace of the Earth, a prospective Armor jutsu that our opponents might have access to. Intended for Melee Weapons or Taijutsu fighters it makes the user sadly vulnerable to most ranged ninjutsu. Note that as an Armor jutsu it's probably a Clan secret of some kind, could be the foundational jutsu of a minor ninja clan.
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Since when was God a force for good? Are we talking about the same imaginary sky-fairy who last talked to humanity when it was still trying to figure out how to bang those weird shiny rocks into useful implements and did it to issue edicts to the powerful which conveniently produced autocatalytic homeostasis of the powerful?
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Can you please cut it out? It's just an exclamation.
Fine. Perhaps I snapped.
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I...don't know how to put it, so let's preface it with this: I find the idea interesting and insightful, and this is not a feedback for you in particular, but for a general trend of the hivemind(One from which i am not immune from) on this plan.
This is my biggest concern with the plan: i have the distinct(Possibly false) impression we are being taken captive by the allure of a shiny new interesting mission, full of explosion,Mastermind!Hazou and consequences to the point of ignoring the problems it could bring.
For example, the fact we would put our family (Keiko,Noburi,Hazou) in possibly the most dangerous role is...not being ignored, but not being given the weight it deserves in my opinion. Yes they can retreat to the 7th Path and are not in the frontlines. But everyone has a plan until they get kicked in the face. I feel the "Oh well, 7th Path retreat" doesn't address the entirety of Rock trying to kill them. It means a lot of secret techniques and contigenties, Clan secrets, Bloodlines, thinker Clans, ect...
It also has more important,long-term consequences, such as putting Keiko,Noburi and Hazou on "Personalized Kill-Team" list for every village, arguably even more than a Jinchuuriki, as Naruto is an S-ranker that requires an equal force to kill. This doesn't mean we shouldn't do it, but i don't see any careful consideration on the long and short term pro and con of such action.
Also starting an all out race for other summon scrolls with our leads still open and not addressed.
There are other considerations to make about it and we should careful discuss those before starting the fuse on this grenade,imho.
I like the plan, i'm one of the people that noted the potential of the Summoning Army, but using Summoners as bait is not a light choice, nor it is assaulting Rock in front of the world with such power.
TL;DR Shikaku is right, follow Shikaku's "Think carefully because flipping the table" advice.
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In fairness this plan if pulled of completely should lead to the utter destruction of Rock as a major village. So I'm not to worried about if they decide to kill us since they won't exist
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I'm confused, i don't see how your argument is connected to the part you quoted?
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I'm dumb this morning and can't read. so Ignore that
Though mostly I'm in agreement that we don't need to do use summoners as bait plan. With the summon army we should just assault Hidden Rock itself. If Rock tries to hit our summoners they will have to deal with Tsunade and Oro. If we are worried about being ambushed just bring a team of sensor nin. That way our squishies can bounce in advance
I profoundly enjoy seeing that I am not the only person who thinks this way.
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Our family is safer the sooner we end the war. A decapitation strike would do that. Otherwise Keiko and Akane and Noburi and so on are likely to be sent on many missions much like this fort assault until Rock gives up. That's my main motivation at least. Biggest issue with a plan at this scale is the chaos factor, there's just too much to account for. That's part of the measurement of the risk/reward
There is no way they aren't already there. All three of them were at the top of the previous Chuunin exams, and all three of them are known to have a Summon Scroll. Hazou alone is probably one of/the most wanted man alive due to Skywalker fame, and he knows Shadow Clone too.
I am somewhat curious about this, because again, Summon Scrolls were already known to be extremely powerful artifacts. I can only assume people have been looking for them and failed, and that it's going to be extremely tough even for us having leads you can only get from the 7th Path itself. Only time will tell I suppose. I do think we can expect extra heat on Summoner backs henceforth.
Tbh though I'm not super attached to the idea, I'm down to do something else as long as it's war related
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That is the opposite of what he said.
Please stop being a passive-aggressive ass. Yes, you have generated many excellent ideas for weapons and technology, and I hope that some of them end up in the story because they would be a ton of fun. That said, you nearly always overstate the clan's capabilities. As far as I can recall, none of the ideas that you've proposed in this most recent exchange actually work. There are some that the clan have the foundational tech for and could perhaps research/train into being a weapon, but they aren't there yet. (There were a couple of things I didn't recognize in your post so who knows, maybe those work.)
You're a smart person, Lailoken. You're creative and I like the general direction you want to push things -- more active, more punching, more cool magitech ideas. I don't like the frequently condescending and smug way that you interact with the other players. Please stop.
We're good, thanks. Nailed everything down yesterday.
Eyeball it and we can fiddle with it if you end up being too strict/generous.
Damnit, I knew that was going to come back to haunt us eventually. The grue might eat it or we'll update the rules.
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"Noburi, can you fill me up on chakra for FOOM?"
"...Akane, I've never been able to do that. What's FOOM? Are you okay? Maybe you should drink some water..."
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Since you're the one asking, okay, I'll endeavor. I do, however, maintain my claim on the deterrent trophy of "I can demonstrably escalate faster and harder than you can." I wielded my own compound fracture as an improvised edged weapon against an apex predator to strangle it from inside its own throat before I was old enough to masturbate to earn that one.
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Yes, a decapitation strike has it's advantages. This doesn't mean we should underestimate or ignore the dangers of using chunin as bait against an entire Hidden Village. Will it be worth it? Maybe, but we're not playing against NPC ready to be slaughtered, as the Collapse showed us.
Things generally are in a continuum, almost nothing is on a On/Off Switch in the real world, because policies have limited resources.
"Chunin Summoner with Skywalkers" means the villages will be ready to kidnap you, if they see the chance without starting a war."Can flatten an entire village and singlehandely end a war" is something that gives you a 24/7 active Kill-Team with an Elite Jonin as leader. Minimum.
Worth it? Maybe, but i feel we're not dealing with the hypotesis, going for answers such as "Maybe? We'll deal with it" or "We're already wanted".
Same as above, resource limits. Why Asuma isn't sending his S-rankers to flatten Rock? Because resources aren't infinite and are always needed. Of course "Can Summon infinite murdermonsters and flatten a Village" is the kind of thing that would put "Obtain a Scroll" to the "Fuck it, launch everything and the kitchen sink at it".
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See any individual Summoner can't be this even with a Summoner Wakahisa and backup Wakahisa to funnel chakra, the Summon Clans don't have the firepower to send enough Summons to flatten a ninja village on their own. Even with the Boss, which chunin can't summon anyway. It's the combination of 4+ Scrolls that becomes a superweapon.
Not sure if this contradicts your point, disabling components of a superweapon is still an extremely high priority.
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Also, the other villages won't know how we did it, just that we did. And the only recognizable part of the Summoning Army is...well, the Summons.
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Ok there are 2 parties that will learn about this from the assault. Rock which we will completely destroy as a military power. They aren't going to be able to send out any squads that can threaten us cause frankly everyone stronger than us will be dead. So not worried about that
I suppose you could be worried about Mist being able to pull it off but they won't send death squads against us. It makes much more sense for them to deepen the political alliance they have with us.