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@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Do we have rough answers to these questions? Or is this a case where you would like us to provide a decent set of possible options and you might decide to canonize or change some details?
The first draft is currently under review. We'll get back to you, but thank you for the offer. If you want to propose answers we certainly aren't going to say no. Fair warning: It might be wasted effort depending on when we see them / if we like them better than ours / etc, so please don't be annoyed if you spend time on it and then ours comes out before yours.
 
Idea: We train Goketsu civilians in martial arts now that we lack bodyguards.

Another idea: Appoint someone to be advocate or barrister before Hazo for ninja accused of crime against the Goketsu.
 
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Civilians cap Taijutsu at 10, that's what a highly trained civilian looks like. Even dozens of them are pretty much helpless against even a genin
We no longer have Yakuza bodyguards, but we still need bodyguards since ninja are outnumbered by civilians by a wide margin and can't look after them.

I am not expecting civilians to survive an encounter with a genin, let alone a chunin. But we do want to protect clan civilians from petty criminals and the like.
 
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Fewer bits would still be viable. Going from full capacity to empty instantly would be pretty distinguishable from nonlinear dissipation.
2 or 3 maybe, 4 or 5 is where I'd say things get too muddled. He has to inject charka every so often too. Like every five minutes he has to drain some chakra from his buddies and see if it works? This is a very clunky system for not much information
That doesn't work if they are far away.
We could easily backchain to Hazou with a bunch of mites. Mites are really good at stealth. Like the Byzantines and their signal fires. Bonus that we can deploy it as soon as we train Arachnids in operating seals.
Are you talking about the time it would take Noburi to go to Great seal? If so, sure. If you were talking about the time it takes to verify whether the method works, that takes minimal time, although some cost in chakra lost.
Basically this, since they're nowhere near getting a Toad there. I think we should focus on communications for our next seal. You could have a paired element that sends a pulse of light whenever the other half experiences chakra adhesion. Sort of a combo between skywalkers, and a party trick. That sounds doable since most of the components are something Hazou has good experience with. Then we just invent Morse code to go along with it.

Although now that I think of it Hazou hasn't researched skywalkers, so maybe we should do that. Sealing is 44 after we heal, that should be enough. Although we might have to raise Calligraphy.
 
Nahh we need to finish STARS instead of hoping to another project
What is STARS? I think that's from before I joined the thread

EDIT: nvm I found your post, I think ARS, and MARS should be within Hazou's capabilities. That gets it down to a supplemental action. STARS sounds like it might be a little more difficult since we don't know of any Substitution triggered seal. I'd say research ARS, then MARS, then comm seal (plz), then STARS
Didn't Hazou make a Skywalker (specifically Kagome's version) that Kagome considered good enough for use?
I didn't think Hazou infused them, just copied with IN. But if he passed Kagome's Calligraphy roll that should mean he can pass the Calligraphy roll for his variant.
 
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Are we able to create basic seals like explosives and storage scrolls before we fully heal? Maybe the best thing we can do to aid the war effort is to just crank those out so that Leaf's ninja have better equipment than the enemy.
 
EDIT: nvm I found your post, I think ARS, and MARS should be within Hazou's capabilities. That gets it down to a supplemental action. STARS sounds like it might be a little more difficult since we don't know of any Substitution triggered seal. I'd say research ARS, then MARS, then comm seal (plz), then STARS
We have the complete tech line. Casino seals are the key. Since they can have an effect in response to chakra just have to specify it to detect substitution. You then have everything for STARS
 
Intelligence on Rock forces
[questions about the war]
"It should be understood from the beginning," Shikamaru notes, "that far too much of Leaf's intelligence reports were lost during the Collapse and a tremendous amount of our institutional memory, in particular first-hand accounts, was lost in the battle where the Third lost his life and then in the Battle of Nagi Island. What we have is fragmentary and highly speculative. I would be more surprised if much of it were correct than if it were wrong."
What kind of force estimates do we expect Rock's defenses to contain?
1) Rock's force levels are highly speculative. Best estimates put them between 1,000 and 3,000 ninja overall, although Shikamaru thinks it's closer to the bottom of that range.
What bloodlines/notable jutsu/specialty seals do we know about?
2a) Rock has no known summoners, nor have they ever been known to have a summoner.
2b) Rock has only four known bloodlines: The Tama Clan, known for their advanced intelligence; the Majima Clan, known for the Dust Release which turns things to dust; the Katsumi Clan, which is reported to allow the user to cause anything they look at to explode; and the Fumi Clan, which has shown the ability to create massive suits of earth armor around themselves, amounting to an enormous golem figure fifty feet tall with the user embedded somewhere in its body.
2c) They have two jinchūriki, the Four-Tails and the Five-Tails. Reports about them say that the Four-Tails can take on the form of a massive ape and leaves incinerated corpses and charred battlefields behind. The Five-Tails is a master of taijitsu who can destroy anyone he touches with a single blow.
2d) They have several clans that occupy a military position similar to that of the Ino-Shika-Chō -- they lack bloodlines but their clan-secret or techniques are functionally indistinguishable from such. Specifically:

The Shirogane are weapon users of mythic skill.

The Shikaku have the ability to temporarily give themselves body parts of various animals, granting themselves greatly enhanced speed, strength, and so on. If they give themselves wings they can fly for short distances. The exact parameters of that flight are unknown.

The Atae can animate small objects for a short period, for purposes of espionage or combat.

The Yudan specialize in traps, some of them jutsu-based.

2e) Shikamaru suspects that some of the intelligence reports of these clans' abilities may be exaggerated. He gives no credence whatsoever to the reports of special and powerful jutsu owned by individual ninja, since those inevitably have low report numbers and are given under circumstances that are likely to be exaggerated.
What are the terrain features in and around Rock?
3) All of Earth Country is desert. Not the "all sand and nothing" desert of western Wind Country, the kind of desert you would see in the Australian outback. It's mostly flat with localized hills in certain areas, so sight lines tend to be long but there will be patches of brambles and bushes that provide hiding places. The area immediately around Rock (the capital) has broken ground with modest hills, lots of cracks in the ground, and little vegetation. The single (known) entrance is through a cave mouth about five yards across and four yards high, secured by a heavily-fortified gate. You have no idea why they chose to build there; presumably there is an underground water supply and other life-supporting elements.
What weather conditions can we expect?
4) Hot, dry, and the occasional dust storm so dense that it blocks vision over more than a few yards. Shikamaru is unsure if there is a chakra-related component to these storms or if they are a purely natural phenomenon. [Note from the QMs: This translates to "We don't care if these things make sense given real-world atmospherics for that terrain so don't bother looking it up."]

What forces do we have available for the assault?
5) A dozen jōnin with various specialties, eighty chūnin, and a couple hundred genin if you need them. Essentially all of them are mostly fire jutsu that amount to 'set a thing on fire by touching it/breathing on it'.
Asuma wants the majority of Leaf's forces at home for defense, or at least nearby, including Tsunade, Orochimaru, and Naruto.
 
We have the complete tech line. Casino seals are the key. Since they can have an effect in response to chakra just have to specify it to detect substitution. You then have everything for STARS
My interpretation of Sir Stompy's comment is that it's more of a question of whether Hazou can hit the TN than if he has the tech tree for it, even if there is a way for him to target Substitution specifically it doesn't mean he can actually do it yet since there's no veterancy for it anywhere.

Me personally, I'm not sure what the difficulty of anything is so I'm fine with trying whatever. They all sound pretty useful tbh. Communication seals would be a good seal we are willing to share with Leaf at large and get brownie points, because I have the impression we don't want to share STARS, MARS etc. Could also potentially lead to Necromancy Veterancy if we figure out how to make them communicate across paths (via experimenting with 7th path to human and vice versa) whereas the ARS line gives us survivability and combat prowess which are pretty much always helpful
 
Asuma wants the majority of Leaf's forces at home for defense, or at least nearby, including Tsunade, Orochimaru, and Naruto.
So it looks like most of our options for attacking Rock are going to be sending small squads of ninja, equipped with force multipliers. Seals are one such thing. Maybe we could work on the chakdar to have a higher range of detection, serving as a sort of discount Byakugan? Since the chakdar detects chakra within a set range, it could help to detect underground tunnels.

Edit: Updated List Below, also linked in signature
Possible War Moves:

  • SIN-strikes and EM-Nuke
  • Engineered Bio-plagues (made to flourish in underground environments?)
  • Deliberate Sealing Failures
  • Something to do with the Great Seal/3D Seals?
  • Disrupt Rock's food imports
    • Convince the countries that are trading Rock food to stop or send rotten food
    • Kill merchant caravans providing Rock food
    • Destroy bridges and trade routes themselves. We broke the bridge into Leaf, meaning that Rock doesn't have an easy choice of "use Road Pavement Jutsu" to fix the routes... or, perhaps, they do but it would be extremely chakra-inefficient to use it on entire hundred-mile long stretches of road... much in the same way that MEW is good for walls, but is inefficient in terms of walling off villages.
  • Up Chakdar range to find Rock's secret underground tunnels
  • Churn out what minor seals we can with our current Consequences (such as explosive seals, sealing scrolls, and the like) via shadow clone to ensure that Leaf is properly stocked for war.
 
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I want to swing by at Kurosawa diplomacy if we can squeeze it in. Make more trade deals to make everything go round.
 
We have the complete tech line. Casino seals are the key. Since they can have an effect in response to chakra just have to specify it to detect substitution. You then have everything for STARS
That sounds very hard (and therefore a high TN). Casino seals detect anyone molding chakra, not just Substitution. So Hazou has to figure out how to turn "any chakra in the vicinity" to "user Substitutes" those are very different. What if an enemy ninja Substitutes nearby? For ARS and MARS we already have all the components worked out in other seals. But STARS needs a novel triggering mechanism.
 
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3) All of Earth Country is desert. Not the "all sand and nothing" desert of western Wind Country, the kind of desert you would see in the Australian outback. It's mostly flat with localized hills in certain areas, so sight lines tend to be long but there will be patches of brambles and bushes that provide hiding places. The area immediately around Rock (the capital) has broken ground with modest hills, lots of cracks in the ground, and little vegetation. The single (known) entrance is through a cave mouth about five yards across and four yards high, secured by a heavily-fortified gate. You have no idea why they chose to build there; presumably there is an underground water supply and other life-supporting elements.
How does Iwa feed itself? If there's no good agricultural land do they buy all their food from other countries?
 
How does Iwa feed itself? If there's no good agricultural land do they buy all their food from other countries?
I vaguely remember a WoG saying that Rock imports most of its food, and that was why they initially invaded Leaf/Fire Country --to gain fertile land. I also remember Asuma saying something to the effect of "Leaf, unlike most other countries, only really trades for luxury goods, and is self-sufficient in its necessities."
 
Hum, if rock is mostly desert we may want to bring oasis down and destroy bridges, farmland is scarce so cuting iwa itself from the food producing sources seems feasible, burning fields to cause faming,
Iwa itself seem to be prone to flooding, but unless we manage to make a portal seal and put one on the midle of the ocean or make the whaterbed rise i dont think we can exploit that.
But if manage to find the spring of iwa's source of whater we can poisont it with a bio plauge, this would Realy fuck them up.
 
I vaguely remember a WoG saying that Rock imports most of its food, and that was why they initially invaded Leaf/Fire Country --to gain fertile land. I also remember Asuma saying something to the effect of "Leaf, unlike most other countries, only really trades for luxury goods, and is self-sufficient in its necessities."
We should blockade them, cutting off food imports should be #1 priority. Skywalkers to scout should help, lean on our allies in Wind and the minor villages to stop trade with Rock.

We don't have offensive assets to destroy Iwa, cutting off food is a very effective use of our resources. Make sure Leaf-nin are firing any fields they do have. Dry and hot climate should help.
 
Didn't Hazou make a Skywalker (specifically Kagome's version) that Kagome considered good enough for use?
Hazou has successfully researched Skywalkers, on account of the absurd amount of bonuses he could stack up with Kagome (the original inventor)'s help. Unfortunately, it turns out that despite having researched them, he was unable to properly infuse them.

All we need to do for Hazou to make his own skywalkers is to get him good enough Sealing/Calligraphy to pass the checks, and since we have Iron Nerve and SSA both of those should be easy once his Severes wear off.
 
Team Chinin (Rock)
Namazu Jishin: Heir of the Namazu Clan, Earth Element users with many unique techniques.
Tama Ruri: Member of the Tama Clan, entrusted with top-level management of Rock mining operations due to their extreme intelligence and unspecified Bloodline Limit. (Keiko addendum: The Tama are known to suffer from a condition which can best be summarised as "tunnel vision proportional to the degree of concentration"; they do not appreciate puns being made on the subject.)
Yakeyama Ganshō: Member of the Yakeyama Clan, secretive technique hackers who specialize in combining the Fire and Water Elements in some unknown fashion.
 
We should blockade them, cutting off food imports should be #1 priority. Skywalkers to scout should help, lean on our allies in Wind and the minor villages to stop trade with Rock.

We don't have offensive assets to destroy Iwa, cutting off food is a very effective use of our resources. Make sure Leaf-nin are firing any fields they do have. Dry and hot climate should help.
Added it to the list below.

Possible War Moves:

  • SIN-strikes and EM-Nuke
  • Engineered Bio-plagues (made to flourish in underground environments?)
  • Deliberate Sealing Failures
  • Something to do with the Great Seal/3D Seals?
  • Disrupt Rock's food imports
    • Convince the countries (such as Wind and the EN's more Minor Countries) that are trading Rock food to cease trade, or to simply send rotten food
    • Kill merchant caravans providing Rock food
    • Destroy bridges and trade routes themselves.
      • We broke the bridge into Leaf, meaning that Rock doesn't have an easy choice of "use Road Pavement Jutsu" to fix the routes. Or, perhaps, they do but it would be extremely chakra-inefficient to use it on entire hundred-mile long stretches of road... much in the same way that MEW is good for walls, but is inefficient in terms of walling off villages.
    • Blockade Rock, cutting off food imports. Skywalkers to scout should help.
    • Make sure Leaf-nin are setting fire to any fields they do have. Rock's naturally hot, dry climate should help.
  • Up Chakdar range to find Rock's secret underground tunnels
  • Churn out what minor seals we can with our current Consequences (such as explosive seals, sealing scrolls, and the like) via shadow clone to ensure that Leaf is properly stocked for war.
 
3) All of Earth Country is desert. Not the "all sand and nothing" desert of western Wind Country, the kind of desert you would see in the Australian outback. It's mostly flat with localized hills in certain areas, so sight lines tend to be long but there will be patches of brambles and bushes that provide hiding places.
Let's do a quick back-of-the-envelop calculation of the carrying capacity of Earth Country. The precontact population density of Australia was between 0.404 and 0.108 people per square mile. Based on a precontact indigenous population of 320,000-1,200,000 and an area of 2.97 million square miles. Using this map of the Elemental Nations and the fact that Leaf is 200 miles across, I'll approximate Earth Country as a square 250 miles on a side. Multiply density by area and this implies that the carrying capacity of Earth Country is 7000-25000 civilians.

Ninja eat more than civilians - 10x as much. Assuming 1200 ninja, at carrying capacity, there's enough food for -5000 to 13000 civilians. So they might not even be able to feed their ninja without imported food. We absolutely need to be targeting food imports. They started this war for a land grab. Let's exploit their very obvious weakness.
 
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Oh we should check if it is safe for noburi to absorb Naruto chakra. And maybe 7path summons too. There are reasons why it wouldn't be safe,jinchuriiki chakra, but it's worth checking
 
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