On Discord, I made the observation that underground sealing failures would be a whole new kind of horror. @Sir Stompy pointed out that, due to this, Rock likely does most of its sealcrafting on that one island. Let's attack it.
 
2a) Rock has no known summoners, nor have they ever been known to have a summoner.
Rock probably has the spider scroll, but no way to use it since they don't have anyone to train the summoner.

We can use this when peace talks begin. Either let Rock trade the scroll to us as a major bargaining chip, or we can give them summoning training as a major bargaining chip. I favor the second option because it opens up instantaneous trade/communication between our villages and can be used to facilitate peace the same way training Harumitsu is supposed to between Gōketsu and Hagoromo.

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The second option also gives us a bargaining chip, instead of Rock. I think Asuma will appreciate being able to get more concessions out of them, even if he doesn't like giving them another S ranker.

the Fumi Clan, which has shown the ability to create massive suits of earth armor around themselves, amounting to an enormous golem figure fifty feet tall with the user embedded somewhere in its body.
The best way to destroy these is obvious, and highlights how in our spare time we should be scribing explosives for the frontline troops. Every extra explosive is one less Fumi killing our ninja.
 
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Either let Rock trade the scroll to us as a major bargaining chip, or we can give them summoning training as a major bargaining chip.
I doubt they'd be eager to let Leaf gain yet another Scroll given the increasing synergy of having mass renewable armies, but if we somehow beat them hard enough maybe they would give it up (which I currently don't see happening, at least until we get more directly involved with the military intelligence operation and can better grasp our odds)

And I definitely don't want them to keep or use the Scroll. For one thing, under no circumstance would Asuma let them learn Summoning from Leaf imo. They've made it thus far without Summoning, and I doubt they'd be willing to give enough away for Asuma to consider a trade worth it. Secondly, it would be ass for an enemy of Leaf to become the new Arachnid Summoner and have to interact with them during the DRAGONWAR stuff. Kumokogo would probably defend Hazou but it would still be kind of annoying. I'm also not eager for an enemy of Leaf to get stronger and doing one nice thing for them is not going to change their hearts, they're just going to use it against us at the earliest possible opportunity.
 
I doubt they'd be eager to let Leaf gain yet another Scroll given the increasing synergy of having mass renewable armies, but if we somehow beat them hard enough maybe they would give it up (which I currently don't see happening, at least until we get more directly involved with the military intelligence operation and can better grasp our odds)

And I definitely don't want them to keep or use the Scroll. For one thing, under no circumstance would Asuma let them learn Summoning from Leaf imo. They've made it thus far without Summoning, and I doubt they'd be willing to give enough away for Asuma to consider a trade worth it. Secondly, it would be ass for an enemy of Leaf to become the new Arachnid Summoner and have to interact with them during the DRAGONWAR stuff. Kumokogo would probably defend Hazou but it would still be kind of annoying. I'm also not eager for an enemy of Leaf to get stronger and doing one nice thing for them is not going to change their hearts, they're just going to use it against us at the earliest possible opportunity.
What about a scroll exchange? Don't teach them anything, but exchange it with-do we even have any free scrolls available?
 
for waterproofing seals. the typical method for explosion seals is coating it in something waterproof right?
since that doesn't work for skywalkers. what other methods are there?
how about using waterproof paper? does that exist?
 
I mean the arachnid scroll would be convenient but any scroll would suffice, so long as kagome reaches the 7th path
True.
Why would we even have a free scroll available?
I forget if Asuma is sitting on one and deciding who to give it to.



Speaking about scrolls, I just realized yesterday that if Hazo downloaded the Great Seal, he also downloaded an entire Summoning scroll way back when. That's a first right? Would that be worth anything to Leaf's Seal Masters? Asuma? Oro?
 
He didn't unfurl it all the way IIRC
I'm assuming that since he could download the Great Seal without having to view all of it, a similar quirk of the Iron Nerve might have been engaged when he saw the scroll.
Of course, he'd have to mentally review the seal in small chunks or risk damage.

Im drawing from the quote below.
One more tiny bit of good news: The Iron Nerve did in fact store parts of the seal that were occluded from the angle Hazō was looking at, so he's fairly sure that his mental image includes the entire thing.
 
The best way to destroy these is obvious, and highlights how in our spare time we should be scribing explosives for the frontline troops. Every extra explosive is one less Fumi killing our ninja.
This isn't obvious to me, why are explosive seals better than lightning ninjutsu, which is extra effective against earth nature?
I'm assuming that since he could download the Great Seal without having to view all of it, a similar quirk of the Iron Nerve might have been engaged when he saw the scroll.
Of course, he'd have to mentally review the seal in small chunks or risk damage.

Im drawing from the quote below.
You'd think so, but IN did not download the Summoning Scroll, it might not even be possible.
 
I'm assuming that since he could download the Great Seal without having to view all of it, a similar quirk of the Iron Nerve might have been engaged when he saw the scroll.
Of course, he'd have to mentally review the seal in small chunks or risk damage.

Im drawing from the quote below.
That is a good point. I'm hoping it gives us veterancy in constructing our own Jiraiya Summoning Scroll out of Dragonflesh :^)
 
This isn't obvious to me, why are explosive seals better than lightning ninjutsu, which is extra effective against earth nature?

You'd think so, but IN did not download the Summoning Scroll, it might not even be possible.
Why not?
I'm sure HDK, but being able to absorb a 3D seal was unexpected but possible.
That is a good point. I'm hoping it gives us veterancy in constructing our own Jiraiya Summoning Scroll out of Dragonflesh :^)
Manufacturing artificial Summoning Scroll would be F****** Awesome!
 
Why not?
I'm sure HDK, but being able to absorb a 3D seal was unexpected but possible.
I don't know why the Summoning Scroll failed to download, but Hazou tried and failed, given that the Iron Nerve did attempt it according to EJ
Not an option, I'm afraid. You can't turn that part of the Iron Nerve off; if you look at a seal for a few seconds, the Iron Nerve will (attempt to) download it.

EDIT: Sorry, I should have said that this is as far as Hazō knows. He has zero evidence that it's possible to shut that off and doesn't have any reason to think it's possible.
This combined with the fact that viewing the Great Seal downloaded even the parts that Hazou couldn't see suggests that the issue was not only viewing part of the Summoning Scroll. The download itself failed.

If Summoning Scrolls are substantially more complex than the Great Seal they might be too large to fit inside Hazou's brain. I got the impression (bloodline fritz, mental trauma) that the Great Seal just barely fit. That's why it might be impossible, ofc if we don't mind putting Hazou in a coma I bet we can do it anyway.
 
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This isn't obvious to me, why are explosive seals better than lightning ninjutsu, which is extra effective against earth nature?
Things that are 50 ft tall will find it hard to dodge or find any kind of cover that can protect them from an explosion.

Also just that explosives are how we solve ALL problems.

Actually, are the jutsu type compatibilities still canon in MfD?
 
And I definitely don't want them to keep or use the Scroll. For one thing, under no circumstance would Asuma let them learn Summoning from Leaf imo. They've made it thus far without Summoning, and I doubt they'd be willing to give enough away for Asuma to consider a trade worth it. Secondly, it would be ass for an enemy of Leaf to become the new Arachnid Summoner and have to interact with them during the DRAGONWAR stuff. Kumokogo would probably defend Hazou but it would still be kind of annoying. I'm also not eager for an enemy of Leaf to get stronger and doing one nice thing for them is not going to change their hearts, they're just going to use it against us at the earliest possible opportunity.
This would be after the Rock war ends/during peace negotiations. We're going to have to make peace eventually, since our superweapon ideas are all falling through. And after that, we would like to avoid a second war with them. If we can facilitate trade with another village then we can reduce the chances of a second war happening.
 
Things that are 50 ft tall will find it hard to dodge or find any kind of cover that can protect them from an explosion.

Also just that explosives are how we solve ALL problems.
Oh yeah they'll draw fire like crazy, although most likely the golems aren't useless since the Clan would be extinct by now.
Actually, are the jutsu type compatibilities still canon in MfD?
Rules doc said:
Elemental Natures and Advantages
Most jutsu are imbued with an elemental affinity. Different elements have advantage over one element and weakness to one element. The circle is:

Fire > Air > Lightning > Earth > Water > Fire​

When two jutsu conflict, the
It straight up looks like this section was never written or partially deleted. @eaglejarl @Velorien does this section actually exist?
 
I don't know why the Summoning Scroll failed to download, but Hazou tried and failed, given that the Iron Nerve did attempt it according to EJ
I suspect it's because Hazou only saw a small fragment of the seal. Presumably Hazou saw over half of the Great Seal, which allowed him to download it in full. (joke: time to level the Iron Nerve).
Actually, are the jutsu type compatibilities still canon in MfD?
Yes and no. There are multi-element jutsu (such as the one Cat used to secure OPSEC for Kei, Noburi, and Hazou that one time), and we know from Enma's slip up that Yin and Yang chakra are probably still a thing, but I think most "unique" chakra elements (Dust, Wood, Scorch, etc) are merely bloodlines.
 
Yes and no. There are multi-element jutsu (such as the one Cat used to secure OPSEC for Kei, Noburi, and Hazou that one time), and we know from Enma's slip up that Yin and Yang chakra are probably still a thing, but I think most "unique" chakra elements (Dust, Wood, Scorch, etc) are merely bloodlines.
I don't think that's what they were asking about, they meant does water still beat fire and does fire still beat wind and so on (since Sir Stompy mentioned that Lightning should beat Earth jutsu)

It straight up looks like this section was never written or partially deleted. @eaglejarl @Velorien does this section actually exist?
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