don't we already have those? I didn't remember Kagome doing any particular innovation in that area. Is he just learning how to make them too?
We have them, but only in a limited supply since only Jiraiya knew how to make them. Kagome has been working on them for awhile now. As far as I remember, this is the last mention of it:
"Whoa, whoa! I never said you were, Sensei. I don't think that. No one thinks that. You've always been there for us. I was just saying that you've taught them well and it's nice to see that they can take some of the load off of you so that you have time to work on other things...speaking of which, what are you working on?"

"Right now? Those anti-Hyūga-stinker seals." He glowered. "Stupid Jiraiya-stinker, making them all complicated and stuff. I'll get it, though! And maybe I'll even figure out a simpler version! That'll show him. They can call it the Kagome Super-Awesome Stinker Blinder."
 
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We have them, but only in a limited supply since only Jiraiya knew how to make them. Kagome has been working on them for awhile know. As far as I remember, this is the last mention of it:

IIRC the Grue decided that no Hyuga-Seal didn't make sense, so every clan can make those, no one knows how they work(Only Jiraiya and his S-rank sealing knew), but they work.

Anti-Byakugan seals can be made by any senior sealmaster, for sale exclusively to the Tower.

A miscellaneous historical note: Jiraiya completed the original seal during that tumultuous period in between the Minami splitting off from the Hyūga and receiving official clan recognition (with all its attendant protections) from the Hokage.
 
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IIRC the Grue decided that no Hyuga-Seal didn't make sense, so every clan can make those, no one knows how they work(Only Jiraiya and his S-rank sealing knew), but they work.
Oh so then I assume we just have them permanently active in important rooms. I was wondering why we had stopped leaving the city for important meetings as frequently.
 
1) Such an action is extremely OOC for us (remember when we suggested assassinating an enemy summoner and Asuma was like "how OOC of you"? this is way worse

2) Ninja can run really fast and it's a big encampment. The odds of us not allowing even a single person to escape is pretty low and failure would be very bad.
I don't agree that this is OOC for Hazou. This the same village that murdered thousands in the Collapse. There might even be some of the ninja who caused the Collapse at this base. They are sitting on a possible asset to save humanity and they would never cooperate to help Hazou. Their deaths are a regrettable necessity.

I think skywalkers give us an incredible advantage tracking enemy ninja over water. If we can neutralize their tunneling, I think we have a very good chance of pulling off the attack successfully with no survivors.
 
Luckily the encampment is on an island a mile away from land. And that we can have the entire island covered in shadow clones and summons
I don't think we should use any shadow clones, shadow clones are not an effective combat jutsu b/c of the chakra splitting. Even with Noburi and the summon network we would run out of chakra really quickly. I think it would be much more effective to use exclusively summons.
 
I don't think we should use any shadow clones, shadow clones are not an effective combat jutsu b/c of the chakra splitting. Even with Noburi and the summon network we would run out of chakra really quickly. I think it would be much more effective to use exclusively summons.
Nahh here's the thing with Nobs and prep work SC increase your net chakra. Because every clone has a max reserve equal to your base. So any time a shadow clone pop you get more chakra
 
Why are we planning an attack on a location that almost certainly has no summoning scroll? This isn't a video game where you're guaranteed rewards for completing the sidequest, and there's no good reason for there to be an Arachnid Scroll just sitting there for us to take.
 
Why are we planning an attack on a location that almost certainly has no summoning scroll? This isn't a video game where you're guaranteed rewards for completing the sidequest, and there's no good reason for there to be an Arachnid Scroll just sitting there for us to take.
Because it's a fun and interesting challenge to plan?

That if it doesn't have a scroll we find out in a day instead of potentially weeks to months.

Cause it would make EJ happy to write.

Cause the XP rewards would be huge.

Cause it helps create a reputation that we can use.
 
PSA: Rules clarification for Elemental Mastery.

The following has been added to the jutsu doc listing for Elemental Mastery:

The caster can choose the final temperature that the affected area will reach and (obviously) can choose how long they concentrate. If they stop concentrating they cannot start concentrating again. All other aspects of the jutsu, including duration, cannot be altered.

EM cannot be used on an area where a prior instance is in effect. EM cannot be used on an area where EM has expired but the temperature has not yet re-stabilized.
 
I think skywalkers give us an incredible advantage tracking enemy ninja over water. If we can neutralize their tunneling, I think we have a very good chance of pulling off the attack successfully with no survivors.

Is it reasonable to assume Rock has Skywalkers

Because it's a fun and interesting challenge to plan?

That if it doesn't have a scroll we find out in a day instead of potentially weeks to months.

Cause it would make EJ happy to write.

Cause the XP rewards would be huge.

Cause it helps create a reputation that we can use.

Counterpoint, there are other challenges than "If your plan doesn't go perfectly the clan gets destroyed" that we can choose for fun, or XP, imho.
 
Counterpoint, there are other challenges than "If your plan doesn't go perfectly the clan gets destroyed" that we can choose for fun, or XP, imho.
Sure. Like everybody here knows we aren't going on this mission. A plan to actually invade a ninja base would never in a million years pass.

The expectation isn't to optimize our assault for actually doing it. It's to optimize for the sake of optimizing.

So I don't see why you want to come in here and just stop people from enjoying themselves when you could simply let us talk?
 
EM cannot be used on an area where a prior instance is in effect. EM cannot be used on an area where EM has expired but the temperature has not yet re-stabilized.
Does this apply for objects affected by EM as well? For example, if Akane makes some ice with EM and then brings it over to another area, can she cast EM on that area?

What about the reverse: if Akane makes ice with EM but then moves the ice over to an area that's been EM'd, what happens?
 
Cause it helps create a reputation that we can use.
If it adds to our reputation it'll get us kicked out of Leaf. If we do this it needs to not look like anyone associated with Leaf doing it, otherwise Asuma will have to sacrifice us to avoid starting a war.

Edit:
We haven't made any lakes of glass before. Why don't we ask @Lailoken about his ideas and use one of them in conjunction with blocking off all possible escape routes.
 
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Ok, we have any info om the etate of the other elemental nations, specialy rock?
Like we have an "aliance" with whater and know that aunt ren have intrest in peace for now because she is tinner ice than asuma (at leas the clans generaly like asuma and are wiling to folow their lead).

Wind is suposed to had sufered the worst but we have so litle info on them that they might go for a land grab on a minior nation,they probably heared what hapened to rock when they tryed to grab fire land.

The new tsukage is probably dead as dicks tanks to hazo and their land grab is a shitshow but i would realy want more info if on them since they are state enemy number 1 right now.

And then theres lightning, we dont know what the fuck is happening at lightning, it worries me.
 
Sure. Like everybody here knows we aren't going on this mission. A plan to actually invade a ninja base would never in a million years pass.

The expectation isn't to optimize our assault for actually doing it. It's to optimize for the sake of optimizing.

So I don't see why you want to come in here and just stop people from enjoying themselves when you could simply let us talk?
It was not obvious to me that this was a strict theoretical with no intention of putting it forward as an actual plan. Making this distinction more clear going forward might be useful - I was starting to feel a need to voice concerns too, but those evaporate entirely given that this is not a suggestion that anyone is going to put into a plan.
 
PSA: Rules clarification for Elemental Mastery.

The following has been added to the jutsu doc listing for Elemental Mastery:

The caster can choose the final temperature that the affected area will reach and (obviously) can choose how long they concentrate. If they stop concentrating they cannot start concentrating again. All other aspects of the jutsu, including duration, cannot be altered.

EM cannot be used on an area where a prior instance is in effect. EM cannot be used on an area where EM has expired but the temperature has not yet re-stabilized.
One of the biggest takeaways of this is that we cannot EM nuke for less than approximately 7 hours. If it's going up at all, it's staying up for the rest of the day. Other than that this largely confirms what we already expected, like how we can't just layer EMs on top of each other to nuke that way.

Question: if we can control the final temperature, is the duration after-concentration a function of the temperature we choose, or is it solely determined by the duration of the highest level?
 
One of the biggest takeaways of this is that we cannot EM nuke for less than approximately 7 hours. If it's going up at all, it's staying up for the rest of the day. Other than that this largely confirms what we already expected, like how we can't just layer EMs on top of each other to nuke that way.

Question: if we can control the final temperature, is the duration after-concentration a function of the temperature we choose, or is it solely determined by the duration of the highest level?
Doesn't voluntarily breaking concentration end the effect?
 
It was not obvious to me that this was a strict theoretical with no intention of putting it forward as an actual plan. Making this distinction more clear going forward might be useful - I was starting to feel a need to voice concerns too, but those evaporate entirely given that this is not a suggestion that anyone is going to put into a plan.

Ohh don't get me wrong I'd love to do it. It's just let's be realistic there's zero chance that it could pass. You don't have to argue against it because you've already won.

Though if you have any thoughts on how we could make it work I'd love to hear them
 
If it adds to our reputation it'll get us kicked out of Leaf. If we do this it needs to not look like anyone associated with Leaf doing it, otherwise Asuma will have to sacrifice us to avoid starting a war.

Edit:
We haven't made any lakes of glass before. Why don't we ask @Lailoken about his ideas and use one of them in conjunction with blocking off all possible escape routes.
Lailoken: *screams in whales, super volcanoes, and magma-spiders*
 
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