I don't think we have, but we're aware of one jutsu that creates a poison gas. The jounin Jiraiya hired to kill Minami that killed Minami used some sort of poison gas. This is a good idea though. Since chemistry isn't really a thing in MfD I think our best bet is some sort of seal or jutsu.
Lab-designed neurotoxin is probably off the table but we should totally find some sort of non-Leaf-exclusive jutsu that can create heavy gas. I don't know if we can seal gas directly but we can get around that by trapping it in large glass containers and then sealing those in Leaf. They'll break and release the gas when they hit the ground.
 
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The answer is abvious give it to gaku.
In all seriousness the most compatible candidate to the scroll on konoha would be chogi, but of course politics come in play so since we need to chose a goketsu mari would get the most out of it but akane have the most compatible personality, haru would be a candidate if he wasant well... haru.



On a unraleted note should we go flr a new element with hazo?
Because if yes id go with fire (more precisely the concept of heat) because we can wapeonize it so hard.
 
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I was thinking we could need Rock to step on obtaining the arachnid summoner contract for us if we don't want such a hard target.

I was thinking that we could have the trade of 7th path spider silk be disguised as coming from Leaf's allies rather than internally so that Leaf isn't targeted by Rock for it.

It'd be the one trade item Leaf probably doesn't want to take credit for. Since Ami revealed there were foreign agents in Leaf, I'm certain more than a few eyebrows would be raised at the presence of the unusually strong silk. That should be plenty of incentive for Rock to step on the gas to find the Spider Scroll for us.

Next step is to just lure the summoner out to location of our choosing.
 
I was thinking we could need Rock to step on obtaining the arachnid summoner contract for us if we don't want such a hard target.

I was thinking that we could have the trade of 7th path spider silk be disguised as coming from Leaf's allies rather than internally so that Leaf isn't targeted by Rock for it.

It'd be the one trade item Leaf probably doesn't want to take credit for. Since Ami revealed there were foreign agents in Leaf, I'm certain more than a few eyebrows would be raised at the presence of the unusually strong silk. That should be plenty of incentive for Rock to step on the gas to find the Spider Scroll for us.

Next step is to just lure the summoner out to location of our choosing.
Ok what exactly is keeping rock to keep the scrool? Like they probably suspect that hidan was leaf doing somehow.
 
Lab-designed neurotoxin is probably off the table but we should totally find some sort of non-Leaf-exclusive jutsu that can create heavy gas. I don't know if we can seal gas directly but we can get around that by trapping it in large glass containers and then sealing those in Leaf. They'll break and release the gas when they hit the ground.
This works if the gas the jutsu makes isn't a chakra construct. Hopefully we can find one like that
 
No, this is the whole "build a defense against your weapon before you build the weapon" thing again

When Akane gets it maybe we should just try tossing in a bunch of explosives and seeing what happens
This is why I don't want to let anyone else know about it until and unless we end up really needing it, like if WWIV starts and we need a way to scare everyone into backing off.
How much xp does Akane need to spend for EM WMD's?
We need to get it to about 40, 45 for it to work in most weather conditions. From its current level of 20 we need to invest 610 XP to hit 40, or 825 XP to hit 45.

In-character though I don't think it'll make much sense for Hazou to tell Akane to grind EM so high when we don't IC know there's a payoff, so I like to instead have her level it alongside Flame Aura (which is really good anyways) until we discover the nuke. Since one of them would be halfcost for those levels we get 915 XP to get both to level 40, or 1130 XP for Flame Aura 40 and EM 45.

Akane's currently getting... call it 7 XP/day. This means if we diverted from FOOM to accomplish this it would take about 87-161 days depending on which above number we use.
 
Ok what exactly is keeping rock to keep the scrool? Like they probably suspect that hidan was leaf doing somehow.
Not sure. Maybe they have a hard time finding it? Might take significant resources to get to it. Or maybe, for some reason, it's heavily protected by some seals. Tampering with the Great Seal might have been a fear of the previous owner, thus the research facility.
 
Not sure. Maybe they have a hard time finding it? Might take significant resources to get to it. Or maybe, for some reason, it's heavily protected by some seals. Tampering with the Great Seal might have been a fear of the previous owner, thus the research facility.
The question is more why they would find for us instead of keeping for themselves, a sumoning scroll isnt the ninja equivalent of a nuke because bijus are a thing but tjey still arent stuff you give tp the enemy. Yeah rationaly would make sence but pepole on that world arent realy rational they are bogoted and xenopoibic as hell.
 
Remind me: What happens if we level Elemental Mastery to sub-nuke conditions, say, level 35? Is the air liquification that occurs at ~EM 40 what does all the damage, and raising ambient temperature by 175C not do much of anything in comparison?
 
The question is more why they would find for us instead of keeping for themselves, a sumoning scroll isnt the ninja equivalent of a nuke because bijus are a thing but tjey still arent stuff you give tp the enemy. Yeah rationaly would make sence but pepole on that world arent realy rational they are bogoted and xenopoibic as hell.
I didn't mean it literally.

I meant that we push them into actually extracting and signing it instead of sitting on it like how they are now.

Chances are the Scroll might be under protections that are stupid hard to penetrate.
 
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Yeah, having rock premier sealmaster the would be a headache worty of being filed in the "hazo" cabinet on assuma's ofice but would be beter than they just sit on it like morrons. But you also have to model the implications of rock learning about the 7th phat trading network, nominaly the start of a scroll arms race.

It isnt right now because hazo dear aunty made us the favor of alianating ami so no way she will help ren consolidate power by giving her actualy usefull info.

Tanks aunty ren
 
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That's a vague hunch, not knowledge of payoff. I imagine it's good enough foundation for Hazou to ask Akane to try it when it's not too much of a burden (i.e. when it's halfcost thanks to Flame Aura) but not enough to go 'pause FOOM, we need to see what's going on here', let alone 'activate nuke OPSEC!'.
Remind me: What happens if we level Elemental Mastery to sub-nuke conditions, say, level 35? Is the air liquification that occurs at ~EM 40 what does all the damage, and raising ambient temperature by 175C not do much of anything in comparison?
Yeah it really kinda just comes down to the liquefication point of air. EM 35 will make air temperatures lower than -150 C and that will be very unpleasant to exist in but it won't cause the air to condense into liquid nitrogen and rain down in a flood as more air is sucked into the area of effect and subsequently cooled into more liquid nitrogen. That liquefy --> vacuum --> more air cycle is the foundation of both the liquid nitrogen flood and the hurricane-force winds, and beneath that it's just an excessively hostile ambient temperature.
 
Yeah, having rock premier sealmaster the would be a headache worty of being filed in the "hazo" cabinet on assuma's ofice but would be beter than they just sit on it like morrons. But you also have to model the implications of rock learning about the 7th phat trading network, nominaly the start of a scroll arms race.

It isnt right now because hazo dear aunty made us the favor of alianating ami so no way she will help ren consolidate power by giving her actualy usefull info.

Tanks aunty ren
I'm thinking most of Leaf believes Asuma tapped his summons to supplement the famine as a one off.

It's possible the train might have already left?
I'm not sure how the bison meat was handled.
 
I'm thinking most of Leaf believes Asuma tapped his summons to supplement the famine as a one off.

It's possible the train might have already left?
I'm not sure how the bison meat was handled.

Is mlre the ability to streamline logistics of you have a sumoner on base camp and homefeomt suply routes becomes thongs of the past, right now most of the ninja world os doing the equivalent as using airplanes a sucide torpedos (meaning they only see summons as a means a wapeons of destruction) hazo realizing the logistical implications on 7th phat trasport will start a scroll chase trough the world. So is in our best intrest to gater as many scrolls since we habe a head start.
 
If it adds to our reputation it'll get us kicked out of Leaf. If we do this it needs to not look like anyone associated with Leaf doing it, otherwise Asuma will have to sacrifice us to avoid starting a war.

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We haven't made any lakes of glass before. Why don't we ask @Lailoken about his ideas and use one of them in conjunction with blocking off all possible escape routes.

Grab Nobby, commission some tensile strength garments, add a few TFs to avoid hypoxia, and nuke the entire site from the ionosphere. Then swoop in and pluck the indestructible scroll from where it is floating on the lake of boiling glass after everybody is dead. This isn't complicated.

Y'know what? Bring sun-element doggo along. He could use some experience shooting lasers at fleeing war refugees.

In fact, can't storage scrolls hold lead shot? With a few accomplices and some timing we could probably end this whole thing literally before they know what's even hitting them.


You've already made this joke.

Ha ha ha. You think he's joking.
 
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I'm guessing since Mari knows about the circumstances of there being rare occasions of 2 summoners, it's not exactly confidential? Does Hazou know the context in which this might happen?
Mari believes there have been rare occasions of two summoners. Your summoning training (and Noburi's, and Kei's) flatly states otherwise. It is up to you which you believe, bearing in mind that Mist did not have any summoners for most or all of Mari's career.
 
Mari believes there have been rare occasions of two summoners. Your summoning training (and Noburi's, and Kei's) flatly states otherwise. It is up to you which you believe, bearing in mind that Mist did not have any summoners for most or all of Mari's career.
Damn, Kisame must've been missing-nin for a long time.
 
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