Eisenhelm
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the problem is that we have no idea how chakra works, for all we know it could behave like neutrinos until it enters into contact whit a living being.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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I'm not sure if there's much of anything that we know of (that humans use/control) that interacts with ambient chakra, except for Sage Mode. There's also stuff like the Raiton seal that generates lightning chakra from ?somewhere?
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Eisenhelm
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last update mentioned that seals take ambient chakra to sustain themselves
Eisenhelm
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no wait, I got it: poor man's Great seal.
I imagine Rasengan is pretty close to being pure non-elemental chakra no? If we can a) learn Rasengan and b) get it to interact with something in an interesting way, we're halfway to chakra focusing tech.
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"Hey Naruto, can I see your signature move, that only you, Jiraiya and your dead dad used? I want to learn it to tear it apart for a bunch of experiments"
*Naruto fails a will save*
"... Sure, I've been wanting to show you it for a while now. RASENGAN!"
*Splat*
Quest Over. Thank You For Playing.
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It's coming from the user's own natural generation of chakra though. I'm saying there's not much that focuses the environment's chakra rather than a user's
Eisenhelm
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We should probably try to fix that at some point, we already had a Hokage against us and no one wants to go back to that once we finally give Asuma a heart attack.
How about we teach him the trick in which the shadow clone of an earth clone is functionally the same but it doesn't transfer it's memories back ?
It will cover one of his greatest weaknesses and make him completely inmune to Mari. What better way to Hearn his trust that make ourselves more vulnerable.
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My reading of the ruling in question is that the Shadow Clone is a perfect copy of the Earth Clone, and is therefore basically useless. I admit it's kinda ambiguous though
Ask a Bykugan user if they can see ambient chakra (they probably can) and if they've ever seen it acting weirdly around metal or glass or something like that.
This actually is a good idea in general, Neji would be very useful in placing the seals to drain away chakra from the Great Seal, since he can see the ambient chakra building up.
Heads up that the strobelight seals never got added to the Seal Doc.
EDIT: Also, I don't think Chakradar mechanics were ever finalised (and are missing from the doc if they were).
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What are the logical underpinnings of this? Why should creating a suffering being have potential for endless negative utility, but the positive utility from said being feeling happy be capped at zero?
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*screaming in faflec*
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That is weirdly hopeful... I am immediately suspicious.
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WE'RE ALL GONNA DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Eisenhelm
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Take the compliment.
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We have a couple months, but turtle is VERY far from dog. And odds are the nearest ambassador wouldn't be the best one to travel all the way there.
So, my understanding is that all the Leaf Summon Clans (except probably the Condors) are sending embassies to the Spiders. I'm not claiming that they'll necessarily get there in time, just that it's a definite possibility.
Edit: embassies with a contracted member.
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*pokes thread* cmon, do something WMD-ey
To the first question. I think to most people, it's an instinctual you believe it or you don't. But I'll try to rephrase in case that helps.
World A: There are 10 beings in existence. All super happy.
World B: There are 20 beings in existence. All super happy.
World C: There are 20 beings in existence. 10 super happy. 10 would rather have not been born.
World A and World B are equally good worlds. World C is a worse world.
Hence, if you are in World A. And have the decision to produce 10 more people. At best the world stays equally good. While there is the possibility for it to get worse.
To your second question. My earlier capping of the above situation at equally good was simplistic. There is also
World D: There are 20 beings in existence. All are super duper happy.
Which could happen if bringing 10 more beings into existence made the original 10 happier. So the cap on moral goodness, is how much additional happiness it brings to the people who already exist in the present.
World C is worse then World A by an amount equal to the net sadness of the 10 extra people. Hence, the cap on moral badness of bringing more people into existence. Is the net sadness of the immediate new people, and the net sadness of all new people that will arise in the future due to allowing the immediate new people now (like grandchildren). This probably isn't an infinite cap, given heat death of universe and possibilities of extinction happening anyway in the future (due to supernova or whatever). But the potential is still pretty large.
I think your logic here is spotty at best. You're not treating happiness and unhappiness as different values of the same variable. I don't agree with this model in the slightest.
I think the best way to do this is A=10, B=20, C=0 and D=40.
EDIT: I think I see what you're saying, future beings have no positive moral weight in your model. They can only contribute bad things. To be blunt, why count the negative and not the positive? It's nonsensical.
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When difficult topics like this come up, I like to break things down and number the components to make for easy reference. I find that it helps the discussion. Let me try to do that here:
- Assume for the sake of discussion that (un)happiness can be quanitfied
- The hedon (H) is the quantum of happiness/pleasure/etc
- The dystychon (D) is the unit of unhappiness/pain/etc
- Neither H nor D is privileged. 100 D and 100 H have the same moral weight / importance / however you want to phrase it, except in opposite directions.
- It's normal for a sentient being to have some amount of H and some amount of D at the same time. For example, right now I have a large number of H because I just finished making and eating deep-fried apple blintzes, but I also have a few D because my shoulder is cramping.
- At any given instant, a sentient being will have a happiness score which is their individual (H - D) total at that instant. (Mine is definitely positive at the moment.) Let's refer to this score as Si for individual i
- A sentient being has an overall happiness score that is the sum of the happiness scores at every instant of their life. Let's refer to these as Ti for individual i.
- Both Si and Ti are always finite.
Restating:
A. Making a child who dies with Ti > 0 is morally neutral.
B. Making a child who dies with Ti < 0 is morally bad.
(Note: You do not account for the case where Ti = 0.)
Your theory that genocide could ever potentially be a good action rests on both premises being true. You affirmed that you had no valid reason to believe either of them are true:
Killing someone is an irreversible action. I strongly suggest that you figure out a better grounding for your premises before you start killing, or even advocating for killing. Until you have that grounding, your theory is invalid. (I also believe it to be unsound as I think the premises are false, both that's a separate issue.)
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This is an outstanding and important idea and not just because we'd get to see YouthSuit!Neji.
...that might be a lot of it, though.