He was probably thinking about a previous version of Henge which allowed animal transformation.
Note that this was actually a bit of an in-joke. In the first month or so of the quest we wrote the rules such that if you got henge to a high enough level you would be able to turn into an animal, including being able to turn into a bird and fly. We quickly realized that this would render the world utterly broken and rescinded that ability. The concept of the grue didn't exist at the time we made that change but the quoted paragraph was a joking reference to how obviously we were grueing the much-earlier rules change into being an instance of the grue.

Later on, in the chapter where Noburi asks Asuma for tacit permission to steal some koi, Noburi also says that most beasts don't have enough chakra. But presumably Hazō and Noburi wouldn't have gone through the process of penning up multiple dangerous cannibal monsters if they weren't at all worth draining in the first place. So what happened with those?
Canonically, they didn't have enough chakra to be worthwhile. You tried it with the firegoats, they ate each other and/or died and/or were let go once it became obvious that the attempt was a non-starter. Regardless, you don't have the 'zoo' anymore. Currently, the only sources of chakra available to Noburi are Leaf ninja (either donations from Gōketsu ninja or posting it as a D-rank for others) or draining it from the koi, which he is not doing because he wants to leave them able to breed.
 
Canonically, they didn't have enough chakra to be worthwhile. You tried it with the firegoats, they ate each other and/or died and/or were let go once it became obvious that the attempt was a non-starter. Regardless, you don't have the 'zoo' anymore. Currently, the only sources of chakra available to Noburi are Leaf ninja (either donations from Gōketsu ninja or posting it as a D-rank for others) or draining it from the koi, which he is not doing because he wants to leave them able to breed.
Speaking of koi, what's the status of the whole thing? Did anyone ever show up, are we at war with Mist over them being pissy over the expert's death?
 
Speaking of koi, what's the status of the whole thing? Did anyone ever show up, are we at war with Mist over them being pissy over the expert's death?
@ContextBot and anybody else that wants a chance to snipe faflec, here's your chance :3

It's been a month (July 31, Chapter 365) since then according to the timeline. Ami mentioned it when learning about SC training (August 20, Chapter 377)

There should be someone new, since then.

Also, how many Mist ninja are currently in Leaf? Ami, Kurosawa Hinji, Wakahisa Yasuji(?), Wakahisa Wataru(?), New Wakahisa expert?

Is Ren colonizing us? @eaglejarl , @Velorien ?
 
So, notes from Metal to the Core:
Haru's Stealth is 15 +- 12, probably around 15.
Haru rolled 53 for Taijutsu twice and didn't reroll, so that's probably his +0 or +3 number after LB bonus and chakra boost. His base Taijutsu is therefore probably in the 40s, so subtracting boost gives 48, and LB is probably +3 or +4, so his taijutsu is around 44/45 on +0/+3, so likely in the 41-45 range.
Haru's Alertness is between 30 and 40, since he went between Akane and Noburi on initiative. Possibly 40 with lower Athletics than Akane, possibly 30 with higher Athletics than Noburi.

Haru's XP total is considerably lower than Hazou/Noburi's indicating that his Talent is around 2.5-3 or so, i.e. in the same skill band as Akane (sans Hazou-boost). That makes me think he's running a narrow pyramid around Taijutsu. I'll work up a
 
It's been a month (July 31, Chapter 365) since then according to the timeline. Ami mentioned it when learning about SC training (August 20, Chapter 377)

There should be someone new, since then.

Also, how many Mist ninja are currently in Leaf? Ami, Kurosawa Hinji, Wakahisa Yasuji(?), Wakahisa Wataru(?), New Wakahisa expert?

Is Ren colonizing us? @eaglejarl , @Velorien ?

Ami is a deep state agent confirmed
 
The koi are installed and there are Mist staff caring for them. The missing ninja remains a mystery. The piscitists are saying that there is a balancing act between using the koi for chakra and letting them grow and breed. They breed approximately once a year under very specific conditions (water temperature, food, etc) and have a 1-year maturation period before they are capable of breeding. If you draw on them for chakra then they will not breed. Assuming you want to grow your stock then you should not draw chakra from them for another 6-9 months.
Speaking of koi, what's the status of the whole thing? Did anyone ever show up, are we at war with Mist over them being pissy over the expert's death?
It's been a month (July 31, Chapter 365) since then according to the timeline. Ami mentioned it when learning about SC training (August 20, Chapter 377)

There should be someone new, since then.

Also, how many Mist ninja are currently in Leaf? Ami, Kurosawa Hinji, Wakahisa Yasuji(?), Wakahisa Wataru(?), New Wakahisa expert?

Is Ren colonizing us? @eaglejarl , @Velorien ?
bruh the layup was right there

Yes, Mist staff have shown up, no war has not been declared, the fishy ninja appears to have been eaten by locals.
 
No. You've left that one fallow. The salterns are still sitting there but have not been harvested yet.
Salterns multiple, or just a prototype? Also, did those require Akane's Elemental Jutsu to properly work or am I misremembering?

And a couple more questions:
  • Did Gaku ever get that fancy title? IIRC Hazō told him to choose one for himself, or at least said that he'd consult his opinion. Personally I'm partial to something like Chief Administrator.
  • Is the first stage of the Nara Foundation already operational?
  • How do Hazō's Shadow Clones cope with not having his bloodline? Or with anything else really? We haven't had any chapters featuring a Hazō Shadow Clone since he was laying next to his very first one.
  • Who is the KEI Representative on the Clan Council?
  • How many clanless ninja is Hazō currently "losing" against in his regular gambling nights?
  • How many clanless ninja do not associate with KEI?
 
NOTE: We haven't actually specced out Haru's Lightning Bucklers jutsu yet. @Velorien and @OliWhail are both unavailable right now so I'm going to fudge something together based off of Akane's Flame Aura jutsu. That works by giving you an "On Fire" Aspect and (Effect) tags on that Aspect each round. (i.e., it's a buff that scales with your skill in the jutsu) The tags can be passed to teammates and used on any relevant skill. I'm going to restrict Lightning Bucklers as follows: It gives you the "Lightning Fists" Aspect with (Effect) tags on it each round, but the tags can only be used on Taijutsu, cannot be passed to others, and apply to all Taijutsu rolls made that round. Additionally, the Bucklers convert your Taijutsu into Energy damage, so physical armor does not apply. As with Flame Aura, the Lightning Buckler tags give a bonus based on the level of LB, not whatever skill you're using them with. I'm not sure how long the jutsu should last ; for now I'm going to assume that it lasts the entire fight but I'm actually inclined more towards only a few rounds. It'll depend on what we get when we spec it out. but it doesn't matter because the fight only lasted one round. *sigh* This may not be how we do Lightning Bucklers in the future. Also, the final version might end up being less powerful as compared to what we see here.
We need a design for the Lightning Bucklers jutsu that he's been shown to use. Keep in mind that he's a poor, clanless genin with an elemental nature that is relatively uncommon so it can't be wildly OP. There was a tentative ruleset used for it somewhere that might be appropriate but would require review. @faflec ?
Lightning Bucklers

TypeManeuverStrain
ElementLightning0
Effect1 to AB+10, +30, +60, +100, +150...
DurationHalf a minute+30
Durability0
Range-1
Cast SpeedSupplemental+75
AOEn/a
AdvantageReflexive Casting+30
AdvantagePartial energy conversion+20
AdvantageTunable Lethality+60
DisadvantageOnly Taijutsu-5
DisadvantageStatic Effect-10
Cost42, 46, 52, 60, 70 CP210, 230, 260, 300, 350 Strain

The user forms handseals and coats their hands in sparking lightning that extends the reach of their attacks and gives every strike a biting edge.

While the user has the technique active, they gain the Aspect "Electrocuting Touch". Each round, they get (Effect) tags on the Aspect, refreshing on their turn. These tags can only be used on Taijutsu rolls and provide a bonus of +(Effect).

Additionally, when the user lands an attack that uses this Aspect, the user may convert up to (Effect) points of Physical stress into Energy:Lightning stress. The total stress dealt is still the same.

This technique can only be cast at the maximum Effect available to the user.
 
Can someone explain to me how SC FOOM works in game mechanics terms? I thought that in order to raise skills the primary currency is XP, with training only needed to justify expenditure. How do Shadow Clones exponentially play into that? Or has there been a rules change/clarification specifically regarding that?
 
Can someone explain to me how SC FOOM works in game mechanics terms? I thought that in order to raise skills the primary currency is XP, with training only needed to justify expenditure. How do Shadow Clones exponentially play into that? Or has there been a rules change/clarification specifically regarding that?
When you train with SC, you get +10% bonus XP (non-compounding) per SC you have training for a "training block". You are limited by how long your clones last (max at SC40 when you can get 3 blocks.clone), how many clones you can make (based on your chakra reserves - Hazou/Keiko can make 4, Akane can make 5, almost 6), and your Resolve, since reintegrating clones requires handling the clone feedback.

We crunched some math, and it turns out that Resolve is the limiting factor. Also, Resolve can be increased with Shadow Clone training. So you just train Resolve, get more clones, train Resolve faster, get more clones, train Resolve even faster...

This is aided by Noburi being around to provide chakra refills (but it is not necessary), since he really removes the need to go to SC40 and CR~40 to be bounded by Resolve again.

The growth is not exponential, it is linear - the amount of time per Resolve level stays about constant at any point in the growth. However, the system makes things sublinear for everyone else, so it's still awesome.
 
Can someone explain to me how SC FOOM works in game mechanics terms? I thought that in order to raise skills the primary currency is XP, with training only needed to justify expenditure. How do Shadow Clones exponentially play into that? Or has there been a rules change/clarification specifically regarding that?
Compounding Paperclipped's explanation, getting deeper into the mechanics:

For every 3 hours of Shadow Clone training (one 'training block') you get 10% of your base XP that day as bonus XP. This stacks across multiple clones (2 clones each training for 3 hours gives +20% for that day) and if you do multiple training blocks in a day (1 clone training for 9 hours gives +30% for that day). It has to be 3 hours in one go, though, so you can only start training when you hit SC 30 and your clones last for 3 hours. In addition, a single clone can only train for 9 hours a day, any further training on that one clone gives no benefit.

But the real meat and potatoes is the Resolve check when a clone pops. Based on how many total clone-hours you've used that day, an 'attack' of sorts is made against you, opposed by Resolve. Failing the check can cause you shifts of damage (which quickly fade) or Mental Consequences, which don't. As such, the number we care most about is how many clone-hours we can safely run in a given day, without risk of our heads exploding.

(It should be noted that when clones pop in sequence, there's a Resolve roll for each clone of escalating difficulty as the clone-hours accumulate after each pop, but if clones pop simultaneously it's just one Resolve check with the DC based on all of the clone-hours, and as such it's always optimal to simul-pop, and we can assume with FOOM that this is what we do)

We know how the DC is formed and we know our Resolve stats, and everything else to simulate the roll, so this is a solvable problem. Since our Resolve defense involves rolling Fudge Dice (4 dice of {-3, 0, +3}) there's some randomness, but it's constrained. As a result, we can figure out how many clone-hours we can run while having no risk of taking a Mild Consequence even on a -12, and thus perfectly guarantee our safety.

(we actually only go for 'safe on -6', because -9 and -12 are really rare and Mild Consequences are mild enough that it's more efficient overall to squeeze a couple more training blocks in even though we'll get a Mild Consequence every so often. The effects of consequences are accounted for in our model, as well.)

The clone-hours is the primary gate on how much SC training we can do in a day, and that increases with our Resolve, but we also have to factor in our Chakra Reserves. Shadow Clone costs 150 CP plus 25 CP per clone created, and as such 4 clones would cost a total of 250 chakra, almost all of all of our pools. Akane can swing 5 clones, but nobody can do 6 clones at once. Two things reduce this limitation: SC 40 and Noburi refills.

The chakra cost is per-clone, and at SC 40 you get three times as many training blocks per clone as you do as SC 30. So even though SC 40 doesn't help us squeeze more clone-hours in (much, it does have a small bonus of its own), it helps us advance past CR limitations and keep on the Resolve highway.

Noburi refills are mainly contingent on the koi being operational, at which point we can draw chakra from the koi to do multiple rounds of SC casting, all but eliminating the CR limitation. The trick is that a) we don't currently have the koi setup operational, and b) even the koi have their limits, and high-end FOOM gets really chakra-hungry if we want to stay at SC 30, so even with the koi we'll want SC 40 sooner or later.

Also yes, it's not an exponential situation, but what it does give us is something more precious than gold: a higher XP rate. We started this quest with something like 2.5 XP/day base, now we're between 3.5 and 4 XP/day because the hivemind ruthlessly optimized Hazou, and it's given us the base stats to stand a chance against clan heirs if we have a clever plan. 10 XP/day is the ludicrous pie-in-the-sky meme numbers we reserve for discussions of the S-rankers of the setting...

...and by the time we're done FOOMing we'll be swinging 15 XP/day.

It's a long-term plan, taking about 5 years to get to that point, but I cannot stress enough how valuable this is to us. XP rate is extremely hard to affect, and the two other jutsu we have that affect it (Pangolin Conditioning Jutsu and Yamanaka Training Jutsu), despite being wonderful treasures people would kill for, pale in comparison to FOOM. We will be gods.
 
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Me:
Is there a range of chakra enhanced species such as dogs? Are any of them safe enough as babies that a civilian could domesticate them (with a small amount of ninja help) and play pokemon?

Velorian:
Some baby chakra beasts are weaker than adult civilians. Hazō lacks the expertise to know whether this would make such a creature safe to domesticate. He does not know of any successful cases, though that isn't saying much since Leaf doesn't know or care what 99% of the world's population is doing as long as taxes are paid on time.

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Can we tack on getting some genin or civilians to look into this (like the sky slider?). Chakra dogs/cats could significantly help civilians (like real ones did irl).
 
Here's my version of Haru's character sheet, put it separate so people could play around with the original sheet still:
Gōketsu Haru: Faflec's Version
I took that as a base and fiddled with the Taijutsu/Alertness/Athletics values a little. In the interest of emphasizing the 'he's fast' thing, I swapped Alertness and Athletics' levels, and then I shaved off some Taijutus levels to even things out a little with Ale/Ath.

The end result is that he doesn't punch as hard as Akane, but he's almost as good at defending as he is at attacking, and though his alertness is trailing behind it isn't trailing by that much.
 
Can we tack on getting some genin or civilians to look into this (like the sky slider?). Chakra dogs/cats could significantly help civilians (like real ones did irl).
Good idea, but let's make it genin. I'm afraid that we'll have a ton of mortality if we use civilians. I'm just imagining the "Shoot her! Shoot her!" scene from Jurassic Park 1.

Even genin won't want to drop their guard while working with them, even if they should be able to beat the chakra beasts easily.
 
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To domesticate chakra beasts, we'll want to find a species that is not only relatively weak at least at birth, but also forms social units like packs or herds, bonds easily/quickly to their parents at birth, won't die if it has to stay in an environment that humans like to live in, and aren't very afraid of humans (that should be easy enough at least since most things probably view us as prey).

Here's where I'm getting this from.
 
Would anyone care to add something with "talk to Mari about not letting Ami completely predict everything and control the course of events completely" etc.? That sounds valuable for Hazou to discuss.
 
Fair. I more meant investigating whether anyone's pulled it off and seeing about formally replicating their success. Check library, put word out we are interested, etc. Follow with making lists of candidate species and genin trials with experts if the former doesn't work out.
 
Would anyone care to add something with "talk to Mari about not letting Ami completely predict everything and control the course of events completely" etc.? That sounds valuable for Hazou to discuss.
We could just pre-commit to using a banshee seal away from her direction when she starts to interrupt us.
 
Updated Action Plan, edits done in color, let me know if you have any alternate suggestions for wordcount. Kinda long, so I'm thinking about cutting the Aura part and the Gaku part (but keeping the Kagome section). It would bring the word count from 600-something down to 521.

@ting what do you think?

[x] Action Plan: Ami and Third-Party Introspection
Words: tbd

Sanity check and optimize with Mari and Keiko beforehand.
  • Ami
    • Let's clear the air
      • We got your message, thank you for your apology.
      • We're not angry, we're mostly over it, but we want to talk about how this came to be and how to avoid another incident going forward.
    • We know what you were trying to tell us...
      • Keiko's Shadow Clones are their own respective persons and that we should encourage Keiko to let them grow into themselves, because to do otherwise is tantamount to infanticide.
    • ...our issue wasn't that we disagreed, it was that the way you told us was abhorrent.
      • You exploited intimate information about us, making us believe our girlfriend was pregnant (ninja pregnancies notoriously difficult) with our child (bloodline pregnancies even more so) and only after causing us great distress did you reveal it was all a lie.
        • You made us worry for the life of someone we hold very dear to our heart.
        • You did it, not out of a teasingly-concerned joke to be "safe," but as a political ploy without our permission.
          • This steals away our privacy, our freedom, and tramples over any semblance of agency Akane and I had.
          • You disrespected me, Akane, and our relationship with her.
      • What you did drags Akane's name through the mud.
        • Now, if we ever openly date, it'll confirm the rumors in some people's minds.
        • Now, if we ever do get married, people will say it's just because Akane "got herself knocked up," or because "Hazou was duped," rather than the love and respect that we have for each other.
      • More importantly: when we asked you to leave (because we found ourselves desiring to say things in anger that would've made our working relationship needlessly difficult going forward), you refused.
        • You leveraged your strength over me in a similar way to how Orochimaru leverages his strength over everyone.
        • You leveraged your strength over me in a way that you've always loathed when it's done to you.
    • Such cruel methods, though effective in bridging qualia, cannot exist between us.
      • We value family too highly to be wholly rational when such methods are used, much as you would be if I had utilized your love for Keiko for something as paltry as communicative efficiency.
      • We wouldn't presume that you feel a familial emotional bond towards us, but we'd like to think that we're at least what we said we were: partners
        • Partners don't normally treat each other with such cruelty, not if they respect each other
        • Help us understand you more, Ami
          • If for no other reason than because a better understanding of each other will make our partnership more efficient and productive.
    • What's your side?
      • Listen attentively, don't interrupt, try not to judge
      • Take accountability of our own actions and provide clarity (if Ami requests such or has drawn incorrect conclusions)
  • Outside Perspective (Goketsu Clan)
    • Sometimes we feel a budding jonin-aura from Keiko and Haru, especially during high-stress moments.
    • Have you ever felt that from us?
    • What do you think is our foundational character trait/core essence?
Offscreen
  • Gaku:
    • Buy up viable/could be viable farmland around the aquifer
      • If already viable: get farmers to move there, set tax rate at in-game-generous amount [Hazou pilot, sanity checked by Mari, Keiko, and Nara]
      • Keep track of their profits
    • Update on Blacksmith?
  • Kagome
    • Work on increasing the trigger speed of the pressure-explosives
    • Hazou's Shadow Clones could help with the research elements?
 
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#MariDidNothingWrong
Agreed, actually. I just misinterpreted what Hazou's expression meant at the end of Ami's Interlude. Honestly, I can't wait until Hazou's a jonin and can just drown people in soup to solve all his problems. It'd make our lives a lot easier. Lord Hag? Soup. Orochimaru? Soup. Rock getting stupid? An ocean of soup.

Edit: Soup-Face diplomacy is an ancient, well-respect method of diplomacy that traces back to the original founder of our clan.
 
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