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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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- USA
SC XP:
Keiko: 0.4x * 4 (base) = 1.6
Akane: 0.3x * 4 (base) = 1.2
@eaglejarl @Velorien
Also, can you confirm that tying the DC on the Resolve check for SC leads to the character taking 1 mental stress, or does a tie mean the character won?
Keiko: 0.4x * 4 (base) = 1.6
Akane: 0.3x * 4 (base) = 1.2
@eaglejarl @Velorien
Also, can you confirm that tying the DC on the Resolve check for SC leads to the character taking 1 mental stress, or does a tie mean the character won?
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
Agreed. The original plan was to set up a Goketsu Mining Town and do the tax thing with them, but... Yeah, that's not going to happen anytime soon. But we can still take the idea and move it to a few farms!
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- The state of Paranoia
This definitely makes me think we're right that Konoha's tax rate is high enough for reducing it to generate more tax revenue. We're on the right side of the Laffer Curve.
Especially this part. It's the typical elitist argument used when socioeconomic mobility is low. "Obviously they aren't getting richer because they're just lazy. Look at Luckyguy #5 over there, he made it, so why can't everyone just do the exact same thing as him?"
We definitely need to clear some land and start proving our idea works.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
Sage mode.
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- He/Him
Would it be worth visiting Jiraiya's other hideouts to see if he had any info about this written down? Or anything else he may have written about paths to power.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
Seems like it'd be easier to just get the Toads to fess up eventually?
We can probably piece it together from that one homework project that I'm not sure is still real.
- Location
- North Wales
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
There's a long list of what Hazou has sensed of other auras, but has Hazou asked anyone present at any of his 'I have DETERMINATION!' events whether they sensed anything at all from him during the act? Keiko and Haru have demonstrated flavours without full manifestations.
Everyone's desensitised to the smell of their own house. Rather than try to work out what his smells like from the random contents he can see strewn about, or trying to desensitive his nose (which I guess in this metaphor would be an out-of-body experience?) it's worth asking friends who've visited in the past for their own impressions, if they got one.
At the very least Noburi gets an excuse to rib Hazou about his personal hygeine.
Everyone's desensitised to the smell of their own house. Rather than try to work out what his smells like from the random contents he can see strewn about, or trying to desensitive his nose (which I guess in this metaphor would be an out-of-body experience?) it's worth asking friends who've visited in the past for their own impressions, if they got one.
At the very least Noburi gets an excuse to rib Hazou about his personal hygeine.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
[X] Action Plan: Moar Science
Take the clan + Keiko (after making whatever arrangements necessary to do this without having them felt too put upon) and do a quick science experiment (yay bonding!). Ask everyone capable of it to toss some killing intent at you (on an individual basis; repeat all of this separately at Akane if she is willing) in the following experiments:
Take the clan + Keiko (after making whatever arrangements necessary to do this without having them felt too put upon) and do a quick science experiment (yay bonding!). Ask everyone capable of it to toss some killing intent at you (on an individual basis; repeat all of this separately at Akane if she is willing) in the following experiments:
- Blank room (control group).
- Hang a Casino Seal/Vibrator seal from the target's neck though. Give another set to Kagome ( who is standing by on the side) and the individual doing the killing intent.
- Room with Hiding in the Mist cast.
- Extremely plausible excuse for why if anyone asks: well, how does line of sight affect this phenomenon?
- In actuality, Noburi is using his bloodline to check for any weird chakra-related things that might be going on in the room.
- Clear this with him in beforehand to see if he has any objections or other input on this bit. Modify things accordingly.
- While the target of the killing intent is underneath a (hopefully mostly benign) genjutsu.
- Make sure to experience the genjutsu first without any killing intent to get a sense of what is supposed to be going on.
- Do it with the killing intent. Does something weird happen?
- If there any interesting results, classify them as clan secrets as necessary.
- Location
- Under a Rock
Hey! We've only ripped a hole in the world like three or four times! We should really check on that one rift...
No, pulling a Hazo is when we stick our foot in our mouths.
Huh. More words of wisdom from Kagome.
I seem to remember chakra beasts having something to do with hedges. But now that hedges aren't real, it makes sense that they have a different explanation.
You know, I think that out of everyone, Kagome is the one that trusts Hazo the most. Maybe its because we drew him out of isolation into a loving family. Kagome is awesome, we should have more scenes with him.
Yeah, this seems about right. Still, something to brag about to the other spirits.
Jiraiya never made it seem easy. Being clan head and Hokage at the same time nearly killed him. Yeah, he would have had an easy time managing the clan, but it was like 6 people at that point. He had been managing larger groups for decades.
Ahhhh... The power of reputation. We claim we did something almost no one else has ever done. Do they laugh in our face? Do they dismiss us outright? No. We are Goketsu Hazo. Damn, have we come a long way.
Yeah, that is fair.
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- He/Him
[X] Action Plan: CHAOS Control
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- Reactive Armor
- Dedicate a few hours of Hazou Prime's time daily to working with Kagome on Reactive Armor seals
- Start the project with low-power training tags that won't do serious damage as proof of concept
- When Kagome feels it is safe enough, have Kagome don the newest CHAOS suit and spar a few rounds with him to test out its effectiveness
- Adoption Tickets
- Get coaching from Mari & Gaku for a meeting with the Amori
- We have the prime grape-growing land that winemakers like the Amori want, they have adoption tickets that we want
- If they still have their adoption tickets for this year, we want both those and the ones they will receive at the start of next year
- If they need more from us, we can offer our land-clearing expertise to help them start growing sooner
- If they're still hesitating on the deal, mention casually that the Shiho are looking to get into the industry too, and audibly wonder idly if they have any adoption slots
- Don't settle for less than 2 slots, but leave with as many as Mari thinks we can wrangle
- Misc
- Send a Hazou clone to help the skyslider team a few hours a day, finish it up ASAP
- Consult with the teeth pupper. How would they feel about a freshly forged teeth mold in the meantime of tracking down their ancestor's?
- Consult with Canoe. How does she feel about being a full-time summon rather than a reverse-summon only?
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- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[x] Action Plan: Ami and Third-Party Introspection
Words: tbd
Sanity check and optimize with Mari and Keiko beforehand.
Words: tbd
Sanity check and optimize with Mari and Keiko beforehand.
- Ami
- Let's clear the air
- We got your message, thank you for your apology.
- We're not angry, we're mostly over it, but we want to talk about how this came to be and how to avoid another incident going forward.
- We know what you were trying to tell us...
- Keiko's Shadow Clones are their own respective persons and that we should encourage Keiko to let them grow into themselves, because to do otherwise is tantamount to infanticide.
- ...our issue wasn't that we disagreed, it was that the way you told us was abhorrent.
- You exploited intimate information about us, making us believe our girlfriend was pregnant (ninja pregnancies notoriously difficult) with our child (bloodline pregnancies even more so) and only after causing us great distress did you reveal it was all a lie.
- You made us worry for the life of someone we hold very dear to our heart.
- You did it, not out of a teasingly-concerned joke to be "safe," but as a political ploy without our permission.
- This steals away our privacy, our freedom, and tramples over any semblance of agency Akane and I had.
- You disrespected me, Akane, and our relationship with her.
- What you did drags Akane's name through the mud.
- Now, if we ever openly date, it'll confirm the rumors in some people's minds.
- Now, if we ever do get married, people will say it's just because Akane "got herself knocked up," or because "Hazou was duped," rather than the love and respect that we have for each other.
- More importantly: when we asked you to leave (because we found ourselves desiring to say things in anger that would've made our working relationship needlessly difficult going forward), you refused.
- You leveraged your strength over me in a similar way to how Orochimaru leverages his strength over everyone.
- You leveraged your strength over me in a way that you've always loathed when it's done to you.
- You exploited intimate information about us, making us believe our girlfriend was pregnant (ninja pregnancies notoriously difficult) with our child (bloodline pregnancies even more so) and only after causing us great distress did you reveal it was all a lie.
- Such cruel methods, though effective in bridging qualia, cannot exist between us.
- We value family too highly to be wholly rational when such methods are used, much as you would be if I had utilized your love for Keiko for something as paltry as communicative efficiency.
- We wouldn't presume that you feel a familial emotional bond towards us, but we'd like to think that we're at least what we said we were: partners
- Partners don't normally treat each other with such cruelty, not if they respect each other
- Help us understand you more, Ami
- If for no other reason than because a better understanding of each other will make our partnership more efficient and productive.
- What's your side?
- Listen attentively, don't interrupt, try not to judge
- Take accountability of our own actions and provide clarity (if Ami requests such or has drawn incorrect conclusions)
- Let's clear the air
- Outside Perspective (Goketsu Clan)
- Sometimes we feel a budding jonin-aura from Keiko and Haru, especially during high-stress moments.
- Have you ever felt that from us?
- What do you think is our foundational character trait/core essence?
- Gaku:
- Buy up viable/could be viable farmland around the aquifer
- If already viable: get farmers to move there, set tax rate at in-game-generous amount [Hazou pilot, sanity checked by Mari, Keiko, and Nara]
- Keep track of their profits
- Update on Blacksmith?
- Buy up viable/could be viable farmland around the aquifer
- Kagome
- Work on increasing the trigger speed of the pressure-explosives
- Hazou's Shadow Clones could help with the research elements?
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- He/Him
[X] CHAOS control
Typo?
How about also trying having the owner of said killing intent under one? That sounds like it could be interesting.
Yeah, the explanation was that humans henged into animals and couldn't henge back for lack of development of the jutsu (necessity of hands for use, I think it was.) We can safely assume that henge HAS actually vanished then, right?
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- He/Him
Yep, henge is gone for good
- Location
- Bronx
[x] Action Plan: Ami and Third-Party Introspection
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- He/Him
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- The state of Paranoia
[x] Action Plan: Ami and Third-Party Introspection
- Location
- USA
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- He/Him
Fixed, thanks.
This plan is great! I have a slight issue with this bullet though, curious to hear your thoughts:
Rather than arguing social dynamics with a social spec, we should focus on the core issue (IMO) which is that she chose to intentionally cause non-negligible pain to Hazou and his family: Hazou's pain in the moment, Akane's when she hears the rumours, and then the possible long-term reputational harm to Akane that you've already summarised. This is not something that friends/family should do to each other (or if we don't want to use such labels and instead be more precise: this is not acceptable in the terms of the relationship that Hazou proposes to maintain with Ami).
I feel like the sub-bullets here are listing possible negative consequeces of what she did but miss the core reason why it was problematic in of itself. To me this isn't the right angle to take here because the way social-spec's are written, she probably has some 3D-Chess explanation of why the actual social ramifications turn out to be beneficial for Akane. Even if not, the way Ami is written, she certainly has some 3D-Chess explanation that she believes for why her choice was optimal in the long-term.
Rather than arguing social dynamics with a social spec, we should focus on the core issue (IMO) which is that she chose to intentionally cause non-negligible pain to Hazou and his family: Hazou's pain in the moment, Akane's when she hears the rumours, and then the possible long-term reputational harm to Akane that you've already summarised. This is not something that friends/family should do to each other (or if we don't want to use such labels and instead be more precise: this is not acceptable in the terms of the relationship that Hazou proposes to maintain with Ami).
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
I'm a little confused... isn't that what the quoted section already does? It states that the way Ami phrased her point intentionally caused a significant amount of harm to Hazou and Akane, and then goes on to list why that harm occurred. Sure, there might be some 3-D maneuvering to explain away her actions, but the point isn't the political ramifications in and of themselves, but how those political ramifications will affect Hazou and Akane.
Her intentions weren't "purehearted," but rooted in cold calculation. Furthermore, that cold calculation was done without Hazou/Akane's permission, taking away their privacy and agency. Many mistakes can be forgiven if the intentions are pure, but this clearly isn't the case here, since Ami didn't respect them enough to check beforehand. (This means that Ami assumed they'd be okay with it and didn't respect their agency enough to confirm it, or it means that Ami knew they'd have a problem with such a ploy and didn't respect them enough to not do it.)
It harms Akane's reputation, which hurts both Akane and Hazou. It questions the legitimacy of their relationship in the eyes of Leaf. And not only their relationship, but people will assume they have a loveless relationship going on, and that it was formed out of "obligation" or "deception" rather than the true love that they have for each other.
These points all point out how it harmed them (no one likes to have their relationship/agency/feelings disrespected like that).
That said, I'll admit that the "when we tried to dismiss you" should probably belong in this section, too, rather than the "this is why this behavior cannot stand" section.
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- how about no
I feel like we should come out swinging when it comes to Ami's shenanigans to knock her down a peg. We need to sass her back for her lack of an apology since she believes she did nothing wrong.
If she did nothing wrong that means she made no mistakes: Mari's impromptu soup swirly was all a part of Ami's plan. Hazou needs to cater to Ami's needs in such a scenario so he should present her some storage seals with the same meal items whenever they next meet. After all, if Ami's plans can call for another person to dunk her like a dumpling Hazou, as a good co-conspirator, should try to supply her whenever she needs to stew things over.
If she did nothing wrong that means she made no mistakes: Mari's impromptu soup swirly was all a part of Ami's plan. Hazou needs to cater to Ami's needs in such a scenario so he should present her some storage seals with the same meal items whenever they next meet. After all, if Ami's plans can call for another person to dunk her like a dumpling Hazou, as a good co-conspirator, should try to supply her whenever she needs to stew things over.
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- America
Determination to do the right thing?
You'd call that justice, or righteousness. Maybe righteous justice? Righteousness would be my first pick. The conviction that what Hazou is doing is absolutely the right thing to do, and the determination to make it happen at any cost.
Related metaphorical concepts would be the unyielding solidity and weight of iron. Perhaps also the control and infinite variations that the iron nerve affords? Iron itself is an excellent concept to focus our Soul upon. I could definitely see the concept of iron being weaponized as a Jonin aura. It's very configurable too, we could lean into the absolute weight and unmovingness of iron, or cold freezing iron, or the adaptability, creativity, and infinite variations that iron can become, which also helps tie in with Hazou's innovative ability and great ambitions.
I think we should settle on an aura concept and begin meditating on it asap, so we can acquire our aura asap.
Btw, where do we stand on hot air balloons? I don't recall why we focused on skysliders over balloons and zepplins.
Edit: Responding with passive aggressive measures like her drowny soup sounds childish and unproductive. It also wouldn't change Ami's behavior in a beneficial manner. We'd be better off straight up talking to her about it.
You'd call that justice, or righteousness. Maybe righteous justice? Righteousness would be my first pick. The conviction that what Hazou is doing is absolutely the right thing to do, and the determination to make it happen at any cost.
Related metaphorical concepts would be the unyielding solidity and weight of iron. Perhaps also the control and infinite variations that the iron nerve affords? Iron itself is an excellent concept to focus our Soul upon. I could definitely see the concept of iron being weaponized as a Jonin aura. It's very configurable too, we could lean into the absolute weight and unmovingness of iron, or cold freezing iron, or the adaptability, creativity, and infinite variations that iron can become, which also helps tie in with Hazou's innovative ability and great ambitions.
I think we should settle on an aura concept and begin meditating on it asap, so we can acquire our aura asap.
Btw, where do we stand on hot air balloons? I don't recall why we focused on skysliders over balloons and zepplins.
Edit: Responding with passive aggressive measures like her drowny soup sounds childish and unproductive. It also wouldn't change Ami's behavior in a beneficial manner. We'd be better off straight up talking to her about it.
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I definitely agree with all of this
But I think the political ramifications are a part of the problem but not the main problem (and also the easiest to wave away as a social spec). As an example: If I convinced my brother in public (in front of strangers lets say) that he had gotten his girlfriend pregnant that would still be a shitty thing to do, even though there's no political harm in my case. The reputational harm to Akane and Hazou is just one branch of the way her message delivery was harmful: it was also emotionally harmful, and harmful since it disrespects their agency, as you also point out.Basically my complaint is that we're leading with an ancillary issue (reputational harm) and specifically the ancillary issue that is easiest for her to dispute, instead of communicating the core issue (hurtful to us) which is indisputable. I'm not saying that the stuff you have in the plan shouldn't be there, I'm saying it should be there but as support for something that we're not currently saying in the plan: "you intentionally hurt us, and we want a relationship with you in which both parties value each others' happiness".
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